Author Topic: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread bring your own salt (Read 3160726 times)

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #6675 on:** May 03, 2012, 01:01:15 PM »

I am citing my own numbers based on fixing these consoles for the past two years. Unless a normal failure rate is the majority of consoles, then I don't accept that "normal" failure rate. If anyone wants proof for SONY's $50 fee and console stealing, enter your serial number on their repair page and see for yourself. No, I am not including Jasper consoles, since those are virtually immune to the hardware failure that the 3 previous revisions are, same with the Slim PS3 in regards to the YLoD. Those numbers also are based on manufacturer repairs - which Microsoft covered for 3 years, and SONY covered for only 1 year, so of course the repairs by the manufacturer make Microsoft's numbers look a lot higher. I've never had a single customer tell me they had paid SONY's ridiculous $150 out-of-warranty fee for the YLoD, but a very large percentage of them said that they had it fixed under warranty, and another large percentage said that the console has been sitting in the closet for years, and they had already bought a replacement.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #6676 on:** May 03, 2012, 01:10:17 PM »

The small sample size institute approves your numbers Brandogg.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #6677 on:** May 03, 2012, 01:27:51 PM »

Everything is based on small samples, that's the basis of statistics. I have a very specific population of people that have broken consoles, and I wouldn't really consider thousands of customers a "small" sample size.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #6678 on:** May 03, 2012, 02:28:27 PM »

Why does Nintendo (or anyone, for that matter) need to make an entirely new OS for the Wii U? Why can't they just take an existing OS like Linux or Android and run with that? Why reinvent the wheel?

Also, if Nintendo had Linux pre-installed on the Wii U as its default OS then the Linux hackers would have no need to hack it, because the Linux would already be there anyway. The PS3 didn't get hacked until Sony stripped out Other OS support. Had Sony left it in GeoHot and others would have had no motivation to do what they did.

Ceric · « **Reply #6679 on:** May 03, 2012, 02:45:47 PM »

Quote from: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2012, 02:28:27 PM

Why does Nintendo (or anyone, for that matter) need to make an entirely new OS for the Wii U? Why can't they just take an existing OS like Linux or Android and run with that? Why reinvent the wheel?

Also, if Nintendo had Linux pre-installed on the Wii U as its default OS then the Linux hackers would have no need to hack it, because the Linux would already be there anyway. The PS3 didn't get hacked until Sony stripped out Other OS support. Had Sony left it in GeoHot and others would have had no motivation to do what they did.

Optimization and the removal of bloat.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #6680 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:01:54 PM »

Quote from: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2012, 02:28:27 PM

Why does Nintendo (or anyone, for that matter) need to make an entirely new OS for the Wii U? Why can't they just take an existing OS like Linux or Android and run with that? Why reinvent the wheel?

Also, if Nintendo had Linux pre-installed on the Wii U as its default OS then the Linux hackers would have no need to hack it, because the Linux would already be there anyway. The PS3 didn't get hacked until Sony stripped out Other OS support. Had Sony left it in GeoHot and others would have had no motivation to do what they did.

FYI, PS3 was hacked before OtherOS was removed. I saw a huge discussion about it I think in an Engadget talkback thread about Geohot having an article done about him.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #6681 on:** May 05, 2012, 01:40:00 AM »

I've tried to source this pic back to a patent... but my Google Fu is apparently not that strong.

maybe someone else will be able to validate this with an actual uspto link to the patent that contains it.

nickmitch · « **Reply #6682 on:** May 05, 2012, 03:57:00 AM »

All sources seem to go back to a NeoGAF post that doesn't link to an actual patent.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #6683 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:42:34 AM »

Apparently another insider (John Harker @ NeoGAF) is saying that the uMote now has "clicky sticks" as in clickable circle pads. So if true, that is another controller featuer implemented to match PS360's standardized controls

also, I may have found the patent(s), but since I can't see any of the pics on the upsto site right now, we'll just have to assume these are the right ones (pub 5/3/2012)

plus more plastic attachments

7 New Patents from Nintendo
http://uspto.com/7_Nintendo_Patents

Quote from: 2 of 7

A controller system includes a terminal device 7, and an input device 200 as an additional device which can be attached to and detached from the terminal device 7. The controller device 7 includes a generally plate-shaped housing 50, and an LCD 51 provided on the front side of the housing. The input device 200 includes an operation section such as a stick 204, a bar-shaped first grip portion 200a, and a support portion 205. The support portion 205 detachably supports the terminal device 7 so that the screen of the LCD 51 is in a generally vertical direction when the first grip portion 200a is in the vertical direction.

Quote from: 3 of 7

A terminal device 7 includes a generally plate-shaped housing 50, an LCD 51 provided on the front side of the housing, analog sticks 53A and 53B, a second L button 54K, and a second R button 54L. The analog sticks 53A and 53B are provided respectively in left and right portions of the LCD 51 above the center of the housing 50. The second L button 54K and the second R button 54L are provided on the back side of the housing 50 so as to generally correspond to the analog sticks 53A and 53B on the front side of the housing 50.

edit: link to the pics (including a diagram of Wii U innards)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20120108329.pdf

notice the 3 memory pools. 11d, 11e & 12
Internal main memory, external main memory and VRAM.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #6684 on:** May 05, 2012, 10:28:10 AM »

That's not really a diagram of the WiiU as much as it is a...patent application.

Adrock · « **Reply #6685 on:** May 05, 2012, 10:31:07 AM »

Interesting. I'm not a fan of the analog stick click function but, if true, I appreciate it being there for parity with the other consoles. This is especially good news because it seems Nintendo would have learned something instead of forcing 3rd parties to make due with what they're given. Now, if only the triggers...

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #6686 on:** May 05, 2012, 10:42:37 AM »

I don't like the stick clicking either, but I think I would like it more with a Circle Pad type of thing than with a traditional stick, so maybe it will be better.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #6687 on:** May 05, 2012, 03:32:03 PM »

Quote from: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2012, 10:42:37 AM

I don't like the stick clicking either, but I think I would like it more with a Circle Pad type of thing than with a traditional stick, so maybe it will be better.

Even if its not better its good that its there because whether you like it or hate it its something that's standard on the competition's controllers these days, and Nintendo should strive for feature parity so as to eliminate every possible excuse developers might have for not supporting it.

Enner · « **Reply #6688 on:** May 05, 2012, 04:55:22 PM »

Maybe instead of click-in stick buttons they could have went with six face buttons. Nah, that would take up a lot of space.

I see FLASH MEMORY in the innards diagram. Would it be safe to assume that there will be 512 MB-4 GB of internal storage in every Wii U? There is no explicit mention of a USB connected hard drive. I hope EXTERNAL MAIN MEMORY means we'll be able to hook up a SATA hard drive!

MegaByte · « **Reply #6689 on:** May 05, 2012, 05:04:50 PM »

Yes, they've talked about Flash storage from the get-go. There's going to be way more than 512 (that's what the Wii had). External main memory just means memory not embedded in the CPU/GPU. i.e. what we usually refer to as RAM.

Kairon · « **Reply #6690 on:** May 05, 2012, 05:21:02 PM »

I wonder how much internal Flash storage they'll throw on there. The Wii had 512 MB, the 3DS had 2 GB, so I'd like to think that sets a baseline. The XBox 360 has that 4 GB model out there, and I'd like to think that Nintendo could best that... is that too much to hope? I mean, won't Dragon Quest X require an included custom 16 GB flash memory usb drive to run on the Wii?

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #6691 on:** May 05, 2012, 05:35:18 PM »

Quote from: Kairon on May 05, 2012, 05:21:02 PM

I mean, won't Dragon Quest X require an included custom 16 GB flash memory usb drive to run on the Wii?

I don't think it's custom, you can use any 16GB+ USB drive to play the game.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #6692 on:** May 05, 2012, 08:57:36 PM »

Quote from: Adrock on May 05, 2012, 10:31:07 AM

Interesting. Now, if only the triggers...

Well it was rumored a while back that Nintendo had already switched to analog triggers.
That's coming from the same place, but different person, so still far from a confirmation.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #6693 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:06:54 PM »

Quote from: Kairon on May 05, 2012, 05:21:02 PM

I wonder how much internal Flash storage they'll throw on there. The Wii had 512 MB, the 3DS had 2 GB, so I'd like to think that sets a baseline. The XBox 360 has that 4 GB model out there, and I'd like to think that Nintendo could best that... is that too much to hope? I mean, won't Dragon Quest X require an included custom 16 GB flash memory usb drive to run on the Wii?

I'd think (and hope) that they at least have 16GB of storage if they went with flash memory if they decide to go the non-hard drive route with the out of box model. That seems to be the appropriate amount of memory to allow a gamer to download a couple of retail releases, something they seem to being pushing.

Kytim89 · « **Reply #6694 on:** May 05, 2012, 11:47:21 PM »

What would be nice is if whatever amount of flash memory that Nintendo places into the Wii U (8 or 16GBs) is also used in the eventual 3DS Lite. This way it cuts down on production costs for the flash enough that we can have adequate storage for both consoles. Nintendo would also be smart to put SDXC support in that SD card slot because those cards go above 32GBs, but they cost way more money.

UncleBob · « **Reply #6695 on:** May 06, 2012, 12:43:11 AM »

I thought SDXC cards were already confirmed to work in the 3DS. Seems odd that they wouldn't be WiiU compatible.

Evan_B · « **Reply #6696 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:12:53 AM »

Honestly- when I purchase a digital copy of something I don't want to have to pay MORE MONEY FOR ANOTHER FLASH DRIVE FOR IT. I don't care if SD cards are the new memory card, I shouldn't have to pay more for it.

Just saying.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #6697 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:22:29 AM »

Quote from: Evan_B on May 06, 2012, 01:12:53 AM

Honestly- when I purchase a digital copy of something I don't want to have to pay MORE MONEY FOR ANOTHER FLASH DRIVE FOR IT. I don't care if SD cards are the new memory card, I shouldn't have to pay more for it.

Just saying.

If you buy enough music/movies/TV shows/games, even the largest flash drive won't be enough.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #6698 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:29:51 AM »

When you buy a digital product, you need to find the space for it, just like you would physical space for a physical product. Personally, I'd rather buy a bigger SD card than have to make room for all those plastic game cases.

Kytim89 · « **Reply #6699 on:** May 06, 2012, 02:15:30 AM »

I might buy everything digital if it does not take forever to download.

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