Author Topic: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread bring your own salt (Read 4370219 times)

anubis6789 · « **Reply #825 on:** October 23, 2007, 11:46:13 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't have a PS2 or Xbox either BUT if I want one I'll buy one. A PS2 is much cheaper than a Wii and has way more games. I don't have to hope for PS2 games I want to be ported to it because they're already on the console. I can play every PS2 game instead of just some.
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Again though, I must restate that some of us may not be able to buy those systems.

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I bought the Wii for Wii games. That's what you're supposed to buy a console for - the games that are made for the console. I'm not being selfish, I'm being a smart consumer. I paid a higher price for a Wii than I would have for a PS2 or Xbox (and Gamecube in some cases). So I expect more exclusive Wii content to justify that purchase.

So I am guessing you do not like or use the VC?

Sorry, that was a cheap shot.

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Now if we got ports plus new exclusives then GREAT! There's nothing wrong with that. But right now we're getting a lot of ports INSTEAD of new exclusives and that's crap. The "instead" is what I'm against and don't want anyone to encourage, not the mere existence of ports. If we can get as many games available on the Wii as possible that would awesome. But the Wii has to be more than a retro machine.

Ian, the amount of ports on the Wii is minimal compared to the new Wii games; I think I can count the ports on one hand. I do not think that the problem is as pronounced as you make it.

Just to make sure: when we are talking about ports we are talking about ports of games from last gen onto the Wii, not the usual multi-system releases that accompany things like movie releases, right?

Kairon · « **Reply #826 on:** October 23, 2007, 11:59:01 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
We bought their ports so now they think they have an easy way to make a profit without putting any real effort, money or time into it and they're exploiting that.

Actually, with the exception of RE4 Wii... no we didn't.

*weeps for Far Cry, and the Wii Editions of Scar Face and Godfather*

I understand what you're saying IanSane, but you're basically describing a catch-22. Do you see ANYWAY out of it aside from from taking a stand and buying games?

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #827 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:34:55 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Oh god oh god oh god I got bored of SoA on the GC but darn it Sega please don't make me hate you!

I was going to comment on how much I hate you, but then I remembered that you have such a horrible peculiar taste in games...

have been waiting for this since FOREVER, make it happen Sega!

Kairon · « **Reply #828 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:41:14 PM »

Haha Athrun Zula, I haven't been able to enjoy RPGs ever since they went 3D.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #829 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:46:25 PM »

"So I am guessing you do not like or use the VC?"

Actually I haven't used it yet. I probably will in the future but I prefer to own original copies of older games. I think it's a great feature though.

"Just to make sure: when we are talking about ports we are talking about ports of games from last gen onto the Wii, not the usual multi-system releases that accompany things like movie releases, right?"

Yes that's what we're talking about. Last gen games.

"I understand what you're saying IanSane, but you're basically describing a catch-22. Do you see ANYWAY out of it aside from from taking a stand and buying games?"

I suppose we could support the new games that do show up and buy the ports used or wait until they're cheaper. But if you don't own the game and it's good you might as well buy it. You're only really doing something "wrong" if you buy crappy last gen ports. At least lay off buying ports of games you already own. That drives me nuts. If you own the PS2 version of Okami don't rush out on release day to get the Wii version. You already own the game and you can buy it any time, so why not wait a get the game used or get it later?

Whatever. We should get back to talking about rumours. So Sin & Punishment 2? Neat, huh?

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #830 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:47:16 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Haha Athrun Zula, I haven't been able to enjoy RPGs ever since they went 3D.

I know Keiron, I recall a certain topic where this was discussed... (I can't find it, obviously... damned search function...)

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #831 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:47:52 PM »

I'd like all talk to stay far away from Sin & Punishment 2, because I know if I hype it up too much it'll never happen... =(

Kairon · « **Reply #832 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:51:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Is it also possible that Sin & Punishment 2 could be coming to the Wii?

Disproved /sad.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #833 on:** October 23, 2007, 01:21:50 PM »

What? Don't scare me with random articles that don't have anything to do with S&P... >=|

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #834 on:** October 23, 2007, 01:41:09 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon

Oh god oh god oh god I got bored of SoA on the GC

MLS_man_64 · « **Reply #835 on:** October 23, 2007, 04:14:53 PM »

Burn Kairon at the stake for his harasy

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #836 on:** October 23, 2007, 04:44:39 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon

Disproved /sad.

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"It's crazy, isn't it? We just put that in there as a placeholder for the Psychonauts page we're eventually going to have. But we made it dark and people freaked out," he told us. "While I'm sorry people got their hopes up, I'm happy that people got excited about it. Who knows? Maybe some clever publisher will see how much excitement that dark little banner generated, and send us a few million dollars to make a new Psychonauts game! "

No Tim I don't think you get it. Most of the specualtion was for a Wii port of the original Psychonauts(from what I was reading) which would hopefully lead to development of a new Psychonauts.

And Ian, that is why some of us buy some of the "last gen" ports, its because we want to show that the audience is here for that game and we also hope that if we all buy the port(proving the audience) we will hopefully be considered first when it comes time for the sequel (still waiting for RE5 for Wii announcement from Capcom).

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #837 on:** October 23, 2007, 10:55:22 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I'm not being selfish, I'm being a smart consumer.

You can spin it that way if you like, but you are being selfish; we all are. If we weren't selfish we wouldn't play games or spend money on them but instead spend that money and time helping kids in Darfur or something.

Anyways, they aren't really ports but remakes (Wii-makes, if you like) of last gen games. That said, they aren't merely ports as they do have bonus material added, and also motion control. Also, they are cheaper than new games, so I don't see the problem. If you don't like it, don't buy them. Buy games you consider acceptable instead.

Strell · « **Reply #838 on:** October 23, 2007, 11:10:17 PM »

Can we has plz rumars in rumars thread?

Rumars thread is rumars.

18 Days · « **Reply #839 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:59:26 AM »

In reference tot he most recent rumour actually poted in BlacknMild's opening post. No. It's not happening. I dunno if you guys have checked out sega's site lately but they more or less deny Skies ever existed. "oh that just cos it's old" wrong. Skies has been disowned since the Sammy takeover.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #840 on:** October 24, 2007, 05:06:11 AM »

More EGM rumours from the same batch the Skies rumour was yanked from:

~ Geist sequel in the works (would be rad)
~ It's A Wonderful World being localized

Also, Edge says Animal Crossing Wii to be MMO...Also of note in the article is the mention of a possible "Virtual Console" for the DS, in which we'd be able to play old Game Boy and Game Boy Color titles...

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #841 on:** October 24, 2007, 06:35:10 AM »

Geist is a game that needed much more development time, and a better control system.

A sequel is definitely needed to do the game justice. Imagine if Nintendo went all out to create Geist as their online FPS. The game has infinitely more possibilities than other FPSers.

I just hope they refine the possessing mechanics, and in multiplayer allow for ammo to run out, and the need to hope from player to player more. Also, if players were better defined like team fortress with strengths and weaknesses.

Oh I hope this game comes true.

Mashiro · « **Reply #842 on:** October 24, 2007, 06:57:55 AM »

Geist wasn't really all that great . . . the sequel needs a lot of work done to it outside of just more development time and a better control system. IMHO.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #843 on:** October 24, 2007, 07:48:50 AM »

"A sequel is definitely needed to do the game justice. Imagine if Nintendo went all out to create Geist as their online FPS. The game has infinitely more possibilities than other FPSers."

I don't know. I almost think it would better for Nintendo to ironically not be so innovative with an online FPS. It's just because the Wii doesn't have one and the Gamecube didn't have one and Nintendo fans have been starved for a good exclusive FPS since Perfect Dark which came out SEVEN YEARS AGO. While fiddling with ghosts and possessions is creative we don't really need an oddball FPS since we don't have a conventional one. I think Nintendo should just try to make the best FPS they can and not go crazy on making it different. Metroid Prime 3 is pretty much a "non-traditional" FPS already (though I still consider it an FPA) so do we need more (or at least more before something conventional)?

To me it's like if Mario Kart and F-Zero were it and the console didn't have any racers that just used normal cars. I love a creative twist on a genre but sometimes you want something that plays like you expect but does it exceptionally well. I start to crave games like that when the genre is significantly underrepresented. It's like how on the N64 we didn't have RPGs and while I liked Paper Mario it was almost frustrating. It's a good game but I didn't want the only RPG (that's not Ogre Battle) on the console to be so different. I would have appreciated it more if RPGs were more common and then Paper Mario was a fresh twist. If I haven't had pizza in ten years give me pepperoni first and then I'll try an unfamiliar flavour.

Nintendo's never made a console online FPS so really just seeing them make one would still be fresh and exciting.

Though I think I just don't trust the Geist dev to do a good job. They've made Olsen Twins, Winx Club, Dexter's Laboratory, Austin Powers, and Rugrats games. Geist is their best game BY FAR and that doesn't speak well of their talent. They're a dev publishers use to get product on a platform whether it be a nothing licenced game or a portable "port" of a popular console title. Literally everything they've made but Geist has been shovelware. I have no idea what the hell Nintendo sees in them.

But then if Retro Studios makes a full-out online FPS then it doesn't really matter if Geist 2 exists and sucks or doesn't. I just want some sort of awesome FPS from Nintendo that rivals Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. But if Geist 2 is released and it isn't that great and Nintendo is all "well there's your online FPS; no need to make another one" that would suck.

IceCold · « **Reply #844 on:** October 24, 2007, 08:45:19 AM »

You, know, I agree with you Ian. But I don't think Nintendo themselves would make "just another FPS" or "just another racing game", which is part of the reason I like them. Third parties have to step up in these areas.

EDIT: Yeah, or Retro.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #845 on:** October 24, 2007, 08:50:47 AM »

Regardless of whether or not you liked Geist, it is something to respect that Nintendo is willing to continue it as a franchise considering how poorly the first did (Same with Battalion Wars II). Unlike most companies, I think Nintendo sees potential in games and is willing to give them a second chance.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #846 on:** October 24, 2007, 09:21:21 AM »

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Though I think I just don't trust the Geist dev to do a good job. They've made Olsen Twins, Winx Club, Dexter's Laboratory, Austin Powers, and Rugrats games. Geist is their best game BY FAR and that doesn't speak well of their talent. They're a dev publishers use to get product on a platform whether it be a nothing licenced game or a portable "port" of a popular console title. Literally everything they've made but Geist has been shovelware. I have no idea what the hell Nintendo sees in them.

What Nintendo saw was a creative twist on the FPS genre that showed a creative spark belied by their previous work. Sure, n-Space couldn't quite overcome their inexperience to make Geist stellar, but it didn't turn out bad, either. And by the time it finally came out, it was too late for it to have sold decently on the GameCube anyway.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #847 on:** October 24, 2007, 09:28:10 AM »

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Regardless of whether or not you liked Geist, it is something to respect that Nintendo is willing to continue it as a franchise considering how poorly the first did (Same with Battalion Wars II). Unlike most companies, I think Nintendo sees potential in games and is willing to give them a second chance.

Which wasn't really its fault because all GC games after 2004 or so either failed or just didn't do as well as they should have. But the Wii is like the opposite of the GC in terms of popularity, so this will be the true test.

Edit: PartyBear beat me to it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #848 on:** October 24, 2007, 09:30:22 AM »

Ugh, I do NOT want Retro's talents wasted on "just a normal FPS"...Innovation and substance, please...

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #849 on:** October 24, 2007, 10:23:58 AM »

Ian I would agree with you except, I don't think Nintendo needs to worry about having an exclusive "normal FPS." FPSers have been on every system, and it doesn't matter if they are exclusive or not...just that they are good.

However, original ideas and concepts aren't on every system. Geist was a really great original game. Yet, it needed to be better thought out. It was like the development team had some ideas, but couldn't wrap their brains around how to best execute the ideas into a full fledge game with story and great level design.

I played most of Geist, the final levels were quite difficult, and I could beat them. What I noticed from the game was almost brilliance. What I mean is that the game had some many great ideas that worked but did not shine. I guess I would say the execution of everything was at 70%.

If Nintendo gave the game a second chance, I think it could be really great. Retell the the same story, but add more to it. Get out of the research/base area faster and have more "real world" activity. Have a really fleshed out multi-player game with online play. I loved the idea of setting up traps and using inanimate objects against your enemies...I want more of this in the game.

If you created a new Geist game which reached about 90% execution on all the potential that was in that game, you would have one of the best FPS/A games there is...and you would have a hell of a multiplayer game.

Then we could allow EA, Free Radical, Ubisoft and all the 3rd party developers handle normal FPS for the Wii.

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Author Topic: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt* (Read 4370219 times)

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