Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 884688 times)

Kairon · « **Reply #2250 on:** July 26, 2007, 04:41:36 PM »

Don't tease! /cry

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #2251 on:** July 27, 2007, 08:17:22 AM »

Kry-ron

denjet78 · « **Reply #2252 on:** July 27, 2007, 05:06:10 PM »

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However, the EA CEO went on to say: "Let me assure you that almost all of us in the industry made the same judgment - after so many transitions guessing exactly right, we got this one a little bit wrong, and we're dealing with it now with strong investments on the Wii."

After so many transitions guessing exactly right? They mean ONE, right? I mean, the NES wasn't expected to take off at all. The SNES was being beaten by the Genesis for a while, but that's really only because the system had a year+ lead time. Everyone expected the N64 to storm the market. The only transition I'd say developers got right was jumping from the PSX to the PS2, and again that's really only because it had a year lead time. That and every other word Sony said about the system was an out and out lie that everyone gobbled up as if it were pure gold. Now they're acting as if they're so surprised that the PS3 isn't the biggest seller. As soon as I heard about the Wiimote I knew that neither Sony or MS could hold a candle to it. I just wasn't sure how the rest of the world would react.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2253 on:** July 27, 2007, 05:53:49 PM »

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The only transition I'd say developers got right was jumping from the PSX to the PS2, and again that's really only because it had a year lead time.

::sighs:: Poor Dreamcast (came out before PS2, didn't even matter though poor thing died the second PS2 launched, insta console death).

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #2254 on:** July 28, 2007, 04:07:39 PM »

Sony should probably be prosecuted for fraud, and one of the ones who should be suing them is Sega. The Dreamcast was killed off by Sony's lies about how great the PS2 was. Don't they also "cook the books" over how well their hardware sells each month? And then you have them stealing Nintendo's innovations (but I suppose that was legal)....

stevey · « **Reply #2255 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:29:34 AM »

Sony getting sued again

Basically they want every ps3 & everything related to it destroyed and huge sacks of money.

EasyCure · « **Reply #2256 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:43:51 AM »

just awesome

Mashiro · « **Reply #2257 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:47:15 AM »

I love that picture lol, oh and for added hilarity . . . Sony will fix all it's selling woes by listening to Eidios:

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I don't think [the price cut] is enough to reach the mass consumer, but I think it is enough to get it moving again, and it will move a little bit further, and they'll need to do it again and it will move a bit further.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #2258 on:** July 31, 2007, 08:56:48 AM »

Sounds like a patent troll. Even if it's Sony they're targetting I'd rather see someone annihilate that company with a huge load of explosives.

Ceric · « **Reply #2259 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:06:39 AM »

I hope the Judicial system laughs them out of court and allows Sony to Counter Sue them for damages. The Cell processors architecture has been relatively public for a long time. They have had time to seek an agreement. This whole thing with people sueing game console maker after game console maker over patents that they have no intention to use or even developed themselves is a serious problem in the technological age. Some things only have 1 way to do them efficiently... blah...

UERD · « **Reply #2260 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:18:55 AM »

I hate patent trolls. Check that, I hate the patent system as it exists right now. You can apply for a patent for something as stupid as 'connecting a sensor to the brake pedal of a car'. Patents are supposed to be encouraging innovation and economic growth. Patent trolls do that, but only in the sense that an wave of rioters breaking shop windows creates business for glass manufacturers.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2261 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:06:47 PM »

Well Sony is happy: After PGR4 Didn't Fit On DVD Sony Says Blu-Ray Was Totally Worth It

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We took a lot of heat at launch for including Blu-Ray in PS3. Now it looks like that investment is being justified.

Next generation games simply need more space on the disc to contain all that high definition content. Take a look at Lair, for example, already pushing 25GB of content, and that is a first-generation title. At 50GB storage capacity, Blu-Ray gives the PS3 plenty of headroom for developers to fully realize their visions well into the future.

Yeah it's not like lair got 5/10 from a magazine that tends to favor Sony or anything . . .

Dear Sony,

Technology =/= good games

Sincerely,
Gamers

Arbok · « **Reply #2262 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:59:31 PM »

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Well Sony is happy: After PGR4 Didn't Fit On DVD Sony Says Blu-Ray Was Totally Worth It

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Im sure more and more developers are going to start seeing this as a problem with storage space on DVD. MS will have to come out with a Blu-Ray add-on.

Lawl.

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If they're already hitting a ceiling with Xbox360 games due to the DVD format and its only over year old in it's life cycle- its hard to know what to expect from the system in the near future... I could guess a lot of developers maybe considering jumping ship.

Ah ha ha ha.

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you hear that Microsoft. it's called a sound, long term decision. you should've thought ahead.

Well I guess the PS3 fans need something to beat their chests about...

nickmitch · « **Reply #2263 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:17:05 PM »

You know, whenever I opened up a game case and looked inside to find two disks, I actually got excited because I knew I was in for a long ride. This is why Enter the Matrix pissed me off. Anyway, yeah, 2-disk games no big deal, especially when the one disk wouldn't've otherwise been filled with suck.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #2264 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:40:24 PM »

I recall stating that DVD would not be enough for next-gen but no, people here were claiming that it's just FMVs and bad design that makes games need more than one DVD and that games would never grow to eat more space...

Anyway, a good storage medium doesn't mean jack when your freaking console is so expensive noone can afford it and noone can be arsed to make games for it!

Moral of the story: Make Wii Games, then you don't need 25GB.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2265 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:46:50 PM »

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I recall stating that DVD would not be enough for next-gen but no, people here were claiming that it's just FMVs and bad design that makes games need more than one DVD and that games would never grow to eat more space...

Anyway, a good storage medium doesn't mean jack when your freaking console is so expensive noone can afford it and noone can be arsed to make games for it!

Moral of the story: Make Wii Games, then you don't need 25GB.

Exactly.

Also, format wars are something I like avoiding all together. Seriously blu-ray (or w/e next format will be the main stay for media) should be used on the 8th gen systems, not this current gen.

It's going to be extremely sad (well not really) when Sony PS3 gets destroyed by the next Xbox and Nintendo console. Sony's whole 10 year plan is absolutely absurd simply because technology evolves so fast that by the time MS's and Nintendos 8th gen consoles come out they will probably make PS3 look like a joke.

Arbok · « **Reply #2266 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:49:55 PM »

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It's going to be extremely sad (well not really) when Sony PS3 gets destroyed by the next Xbox and Nintendo console. Sony's whole 10 year plan is absolutely absurd simply because technology evolves so fast that by the time MS's and Nintendos 8th gen consoles come out they will probably make PS3 look like a joke.

It won't be a ten year console. Period. Sony made that comment expecting a PS2 like success story to strike twice, which isn't going to happen. They are continuing with the rhetoric because, let's face it, to suddenly say otherwise would be to admit they are in serious trouble... and even though everyone knows it, their PR has been spinning the whole thing non-stop regardless.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2267 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:52:18 PM »

Yeah that's true. Doesn't make it any less funny though.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2268 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:07:39 PM »

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Yeah that's true. Doesn't make it any less funny though.

Yeah but you are missing one vital component to the Sony plan. UPGRADEABLE HARDWARE!

Mashiro · « **Reply #2269 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:11:40 PM »

No wai!

tiamat1990 · « **Reply #2270 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:32:17 PM »

Have they ever heard of using *shock* two DVD's!! I mean jesus christ Final Fantasy VII was on FOUR discs. I really hate how they forced Blu-Ray upon us. It really isn't that necessary. It increased the cost of an already expensive piece of hardware.

nickmitch · « **Reply #2271 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:36:04 PM »

I remember the last system I had with "upgradeable hardware" and how pissed I was when I rented Perfect Dark and couldn't play it. >:|

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #2272 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:20:48 AM »

I wonder if this lawsuit has any chance in hell on working? My gut says it does not, because the company is asking for way too much. What company asks for money and ALL products using their supposed technology destroyed? There is absolutely no reason to go that route unless you just want to damage or cripple Sony. After all, you could make so much more money by just asking for a portion of the profits.

Really, I see this lawsuit being thrown out, unless it is brought to a "special interest" judge that sides against Sony with no merit. But if this happens it will be appealed until Sony wins. So in the end, it is just a company either hoping to settle out of court for big bucks, or a company out to cripple Sony for some reason.

Ceric · « **Reply #2273 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:49:53 AM »

*shrug*
Out of the two technology I still favor Blu-Ray because it has a better future then HD-DVD on a storage front. Also I mean of course the assets are going to get for an HD games. Your going from a what 640x480 picture to fill the screen to a 1920x1080 picture to fill the screen. I don't care who you are that takes more space. That being said companies are wary about going to two disc. It cost more to produce and since its a relatively specialized processes, compared to one dvd, it will surely cost a little more then just pressing 2 dvds. I think we'll see little things show up on games developed for the bigger medium from scratch because they'll never be that idea of needing to worry about space. Meaning you can do things like only lightly compress models and other assets, only compressed for read times of the drive. Though all this is a moot point until Blu-Ray Disc production increases making it cheaper.

Wrap Up: Publishers will pressure to keep it on one disc because of manufacturing costs. Now on the flip side of that 2 DVD's, with the extra labor, is probably still less expensive then a Blu-Ray disc but, that has the potential to rapidly drop.

Also on the ten-year thing I have two words one title: Neo-Geo. Its amazing what they did with that system.

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I found this article

Here is the Relevant quote

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Vrignaud believes that a single USD 599 SKU will be untenable. He predicts that Sony will sell the announced 80GB PS3 for USD 499, but will also release a scaled-down 40GB PS3 for USD 399. The smaller system would eliminate the memory card slots and integrated WiFi as well as the backwards compatibility hardware.

What do you guys think of this idea? I mean seriously do you think that people would go for the PSGimped at $400? Compared to the 360 Core you don't really need to buy anything to use it as a full PS3. You might have to string some network cable or buy a bridge. Besides that everything the 80 can do except wireless and media slots which isn't that big of a deal. (Personally would have rather had built in PS2 Memory Card slots on the bigger model.)

couchmonkey · « **Reply #2274 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:40:18 AM »

Hey Spak (edit - meant Ceric), I can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic about Neo-Geo...I know the system lasted 10 years plus...but who cares? The thing is, Sony relies on having a huge fan base, if PS3 wound up as an uber-cult-classic piece of hardware, that would be cool for fans, but useless for Sony.

The patent squatting thing sucks. Tough for Sony, but I can't really blame them for this one.

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