Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 867323 times)

Mashiro · « **Reply #2175 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:31:16 PM »

The ONLY thing I don't like about MS is that it can throw its money around and just buy gaming content. That has me a little worried but outside of that the Wii and 360 are so different from one another it doesn't really matter all that much. Maybe next gen if MS really starts ripping of Nintendo then I will be more worried but for now I like the position Nintendo is in.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2176 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:41:29 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
The ONLY thing I don't like about MS is that it can throw its money around and just buy gaming content. That has me a little worried but outside of that the Wii and 360 are so different from one another it doesn't really matter all that much. Maybe next gen if MS really starts ripping of Nintendo then I will be more worried but for now I like the position Nintendo is in.

Thing is that Sony has been known to throw money around as well. It is just part of business, kind of like what EA does all the time!

Mashiro · « **Reply #2177 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:00:16 PM »

Maybe, but Sony has never really done that in the gaming industry as far as I can tell, particularly because the haven't needed to seeing as how they have always been number 1 until now. So time will tell how it reacts.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #2178 on:** July 12, 2007, 05:58:01 AM »

I'm not that worried about MS anymore. After all their talk about reaching casual gamers, they gave us what? Viva Pinata Party and Scene-It. As good as Microsoft is at bullying people on its PC software "home turf", Xbox and Zune both appear to be huge failures compared to the leading products, and the way things are going, Wii is set to clobber Xbox 360 as well.

Ultimately, Wii has so much momentum right now that I think only Nintendo could screw it up. Microsoft could repackage the Core as a Wii-killer with motion control, $250 price tag and all tomorrow, and it would still have to overcome Nintendo's headstarts in brand recognition and casual software development.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #2179 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:42:44 AM »

No one is invincible, not even MS. For a long time the gaming world thought Sony was invincible, but not many feel that way any more. Same with Nintendo before Sony, and Atari before Nintendo.

Even if MS forces Sony out and captures 90% of the market, Nintendo will still be around doing what they've always done and generating profit even with less marketshare.

With success comes arrogance. This was Napoleon's undoing, it was Hitler's undoing, it was Nintendo's undoing, and now it is Sony's undoing... one day it will be Microsoft's undoing as well.

Why worry about it? I'm more worried about Microsoft installinng chips into people's brains and controlling them with their proprietary sofftware than anything, lol. Look at Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and how the Morganites goal is to get everyone nerve stapled. That's what we need to worry about from MS.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #2180 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:51:31 AM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm not that worried about MS anymore. After all their talk about reaching casual gamers, they gave us what? Viva Pinata Party and Scene-It. As good as Microsoft is at bullying people on its PC software "home turf", Xbox and Zune both appear to be huge failures compared to the leading products, and the way things are going, Wii is set to clobber Xbox 360 as well.

Ultimately, Wii has so much momentum right now that I think only Nintendo could screw it up. Microsoft could repackage the Core as a Wii-killer with motion control, $250 price tag and all tomorrow, and it would still have to overcome Nintendo's headstarts in brand recognition and casual software development.

Yeah. Nintendo has the initiative and their competitors are a few steps behind. Sony has a long history of copying Nintendo's ideas and innovations, but the problem with this strategy is Sony will always be behind Nintendo and have to catch up.

By the time Sony and Microsoft are able to counter Nintendo's Wii-mote idea Nintendo may be doing something different by that point. In any battle the ones with initiative have the advantage, but it has to be handled properly. Nintendo has their opponents stunned, but hopefully they can follow through and not wait for them to recover and adapt.

Kairon · « **Reply #2181 on:** July 12, 2007, 11:24:29 PM »

The $499 price is temporary. It has to be. Why? Sony is NO LONGER MAKING 60GB PS3s. If you don't buy 'em now, you'll be stuck with software emulation.

From the Kaz himself at 1:44 into the video.

Also, this is from David Reeves, the president of SCEE:

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"All they're doing is taking their stock in trade that they've got at the moment of the 60GB model, marking the price down and it will all be gone by the end of July."

Most temporary price cut ever?

Mashiro · « **Reply #2182 on:** July 12, 2007, 11:36:23 PM »

Wow...Sony is going to be freaking dead in the water.

Sony deserves to fail horribly at this point.

I mean seriously watching him say that you have to think "is this guy going to get fired? who made this decision? what is going on at Sony!?"

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Sony: Ok guys we know our biggest problem with PS3 is its price...so here is a 100 dollar price cut, but here is also a new model with a better HD for the same price as the last top model.

People: Oh...ok...well I guess the 60 GB model is still good $499 is better than paying $599.

Sony: Yeah but get those fast because the 80 GB model is the only one we are producing now.

People: Wait...what?

Sony: Dude we know what we're doing. We're Sony! Nintendo is a fad and MS is stupid. Did you see Kill Zone 2? man killer app.

People: . . .

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #2183 on:** July 13, 2007, 12:27:08 AM »

Hold on Europe!! Don't buy your PS3's just yet, why not hold out for the 120GB model!!??

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We've just interviewed Sony Entertainment Europe boss David Reese, and when asked about why we won't have a 80GB PS3 in Europe, he had this to say:

"The difference between 80GB and 60GB is very small. We feel that going up 20GB is not worth it, [but] if we're going to double it it's worth it. So you maybe you'll see something a little bit later, but 60 and 80.. really not much [of a] difference."

The plot thickens!

Watch the interview here, plus the announcement of the new bundle that'll hit Europe now: http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2007/07/13/506117.html

I see this news going over really well in Europe, and especially the U.S. where people are stuck with the 80GB that is apparently "not worth it".

Mashiro · « **Reply #2184 on:** July 13, 2007, 12:35:41 AM »

Holy mother of god what is wrong with Sony? It's like they WANT to fail in every territory.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #2185 on:** July 13, 2007, 01:54:56 AM »

And the foot stays lodged in the throat. They just don't get it.

UERD · « **Reply #2186 on:** July 13, 2007, 02:04:34 AM »

Meanwhile, PSP sucks.

Sony Draws Yawns

"If the best Sony has to offer is a Darth Vader-branded PlayStation Portable, it may be in trouble", according to Forbes magazine.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #2187 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:38:27 AM »

Sony doesn't seem to like price drops for some reason.... instead of dropping the price of the PS3, they just come out with a shoddier version with a slightly bigger hard drive for the same price. Real savings!

Well, it is savings for them, but not for the consumers. It would be better to have the EE ship than a hard drive with an extra 20gb.... however, the intelligence of some Sony supporters I've talked to online leads me to believe they'll eat this up.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #2188 on:** July 13, 2007, 06:17:10 AM »

Now we can see why Microsoft didn't lower its own price. By Sony's own reckoning the 60GBs will be sold out around the end of July and then in August it will be back to lousy, lousy sales. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony cuts the 80GB unit down to $500 closer to the holidays.

For the time being, how could Sony have handled this situation better? Should Sony have told everyone this was temporary up front? Should it just have phased the 60GB units out at the existing price? I think some people would have paid $600 just knowing the Emotion Engine was going, but I guess they should be happy that Sony gave them a slight deal.

MLS_man_64 · « **Reply #2189 on:** July 13, 2007, 06:47:20 AM »

PS3 Narrows Gap On PS2 In Japanese Sales Chart

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14683

Funniest title ever!

BigJim · « **Reply #2190 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:08:07 AM »

lollerskates. This generation is so screwed up.

But I don't think the 60GB model is going to be sold out in just 2 weeks. If sales vs. shipment numbers to date are to be believed, even if sales magically doubled at a constant rate, there would still good a supply in the channel for a while. I REALLY doubt the sku will be gone that quickly.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #2191 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:19:51 AM »

Is the 20gb PS3 model still in stores, or has that completely sold out? If there are still some on shelves I wonder how the stores would price them....

BTW, does the 20gb have the EE chip in it? If so, it would make a good bargain if it is about $399 or whatever... someone can always add a bigger hard drive to it later on.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #2192 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:13:06 PM »

I'm fairly sure the 20GB has the EE chip. Supposedly it sold very badly so it may still be in stores. Well, not in Europe, of course.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2193 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:47:13 PM »

Well I haven't seen a 20gb for a long time, at Best Buy all I seen was the 60gb version.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #2194 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:13:28 PM »

It sold badly because it barely existed. It was there only to say that the PS3 was affordable. They made about five of the things, and, surprisingly enough, the 60 gig version happened to manage to outsell it, so naturally, Sony decided to cancel the thing.

Kairon · « **Reply #2195 on:** July 13, 2007, 10:20:34 PM »

The 20GB PS3 was discontinued a while ago.

stevey · « **Reply #2196 on:** July 16, 2007, 02:59:54 PM »

Mircosoft: sony is "failing" in japan

ROFL

Mashiro · « **Reply #2197 on:** July 16, 2007, 03:04:26 PM »

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Mircosoft: sony is "failing" in japan

ROFL

Wow . . . lol best news ever from MS.

Hey Microsoft how are 360 sales in Japan?

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- Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of July 2 - 8, 2007:

NDS Lite - 139,271 [4,108,498] units
Wii - 75,279 [2,030,031] units
PSP - 32,946 [1,116,093] units
PlayStation 2 - 14,120 [434,493] units
PlayStation 3 - 12,691 [505,622] units
Xbox 360 - 2,370 [120,953] units
GB Micro - 340 [22,116] units
GBA SP - 261 [18,900] units
GameCube - 174 [8,593] units
NDS - 15 [2,306] units
GBA - 0 [749] units

That good huh?

Edit: Oh wait maybe they mean software?

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- Here are the latest Japanese console software sales for the week of July 2 - 8, 2007:

Zelda no Densetsu: Mugen no Sunadokei (NDS, Nintendo) - 75,000 [514,000] units
Chikasete! Chibi-Robo! (NDS, Nintendo) - 45,000 units
Super Robot Taisen Original Generations (PS2, Banpresto) - 43,000 [388,000] units
Miru Chikara o Jissen de Kitaeru: DS Ganryoku Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 42,000 [356,000] units
Wii Sports (Wii, Nintendo) - 33,000 [1,826,000] units
Itadaki Street DS (NDS, Square Enix) - 30,000 [239,000] units
Boku no Natsuyasumi 3 (PS3, Sony) - 29,000 units
Hajimete no Wii [Wii Play] (Wii, Nintendo) - 20,000 [1,465,000] units
Kawashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu: Motto Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 19,000 [4,436,000] units
New Super Mario Bros. (NDS, Nintendo) - 18,000 [4,595,000] units

Wow you aren't even ON there Microsoft! But no you're right PS3 is doing bad in Japan, keep up the good work!

UERD · « **Reply #2198 on:** July 16, 2007, 03:08:38 PM »

He does have a point. Microsoft failing in Japan is like a little kid just off the plane from China, who doesn't know a word of English, being forced to take the SAT and scoring a 200 on the verbal section. Sony failing in Japan is like the world Scrabble champion and the editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, rolled into one, taking the SAT and scoring a 210 on the verbal section.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2199 on:** July 16, 2007, 11:55:35 PM »

You know things are bad when third parties don't even send you a VIDEO of their game.

In a recent interview with Jack Tretton, 1up.com asked why GTA IV wasn't shown duing their E3 conference. The sad answer comes to light:

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1UP: Why didn't you show Grand Theft Auto IV at your press conference? Why was it not there?

Tretton: Well, Dave [Karraker, Senior Director of Corporate Communications at Sony Computer Entertainment America], do you want to answer that? Dave was in control of the content.

Karraker: You want the real answer?

1UP: Can you give me both answers?

Tretton: [laughs]

Karraker: I'll give you the real answer. They didn't send us their video.

1UP: So it's not anything like "well, the game's been shown on Xbox 360..."

Karraker: We requested it. We sent an e--mail out to every publisher and said send us your videos that you want put in the press conference, and they never sent it. Not much more you can say about that.

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