Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 867300 times)

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2125 on:** July 08, 2007, 06:41:00 PM »

http://kotaku.com/gaming/we.re-slashing-prices/sony-confirms-ps3-price+cut-80gb-bundle-276091.php

Sony announced their new PS3 pricing structure

499.99 - 60GB PS3
599.99 - 80GB PS3 w/ Motorstorm bundle (available august)

Mashiro · « **Reply #2126 on:** July 08, 2007, 07:14:13 PM »

And yet, the PS3 is still not appealing in the least. /comfort sony

capamerica · « **Reply #2127 on:** July 08, 2007, 07:20:26 PM »

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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
http://kotaku.com/gaming/we.re-slashing-prices/sony-confirms-ps3-price+cut-80gb-bundle-276091.php

Sony announced their new PS3 pricing structure

499.99 - 60GB PS3
599.99 - 80GB PS3 w/ Motorstorm bundle (available august)

This is pretty lame, How can anyone realy call this a price drop. We had a $500 PS3 and no one bought it, They freaken DROPED the 20GB model cause no one wanted it, all they did was just turn the 60GB into the new 20GB, no one is going to want the 60GB version any more now that we have the 80GB version.

This s a dumb move by Sony, moving the 60GB model in the place of the 20GB won't help push any more units. Now if the PS3 had a real price drop and dropped to $400 I think that would help move systems.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2128 on:** July 08, 2007, 07:24:04 PM »

Well to the oblivious people they are going to think the new 600 package is a good deal since all sony did is pretty much throw in a slightly bigger SATA(thats not even as big as the 360 elite HDD) with a 60 dollar game that people thought is ho-hum.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2129 on:** July 08, 2007, 08:27:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
Well to the oblivious people they are going to think the new 600 package is a good deal since all sony did is pretty much throw in a slightly bigger SATA(thats not even as big as the 360 elite HDD) with a 60 dollar game that people thought is ho-hum.

I may be wrong, but can't you upgrade the PS3 Harddrive? So that makes this deal even more stupid, though I am happy to see the 100$ price drop for the system but this is, once again, going to push consumers away because the 600$ one will be seen as the "good" one.

Kairon · « **Reply #2130 on:** July 08, 2007, 08:35:12 PM »

Yeah, I think the PS3 harddrive can be replaced.

GGAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

WHY SONY WHY!?!??!?!?!?! WE NEED YOU TO DISTRACT MS!!! FHWHDANDDAJFOIDAFMDKQNAFOQKLDW

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2131 on:** July 08, 2007, 08:38:26 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Yeah, I think the PS3 harddrive can be replaced.

GGAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

WHY SONY WHY!?!??!?!?!?! WE NEED YOU TO DISTRACT MS!!! FHWHDANDDAJFOIDAFMDKQNAFOQKLDW

Am I the only one that visualizes Sony's marketing department including a bunch of monkeys with a roulette wheel?

::Sony CEO walks in::

What should we do today chimp 1

::Spins Wheel::

"Price drop and no price drop at the same time? Sounds good to me!"

"How should we do this?"

::wheel spins::

"Oh IC lets include 1 game and bump up the HD a whole 20gbs. Brilliant"

"Now what game should we include?"

::Wheel Spins::

"Golly it says Motorstorm. I would have thought Resistance: Fall of Man"

::Chimp screeches and jumps around::

"Well motorstorm it is then, you are the brains behind this operation"

"Ah what is this? You want me to reward me with a banana. Thanks chimp 1, I knew the media was wrong about us, we KNOW what we are doing"

::Chimp jumps up and down happily::

Kairon · « **Reply #2132 on:** July 08, 2007, 08:40:36 PM »

MS has GOT to be spiking their water. I can't... I can't... UGH.

Also, I've heard some people speculating that the 80 gig model will do away with the EE chip and use software emulation for back-compat.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2133 on:** July 08, 2007, 09:00:26 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
MS has GOT to be spiking their water. I can't... I can't... UGH.

Also, I've heard some people speculating that the 80 gig model will do away with the EE chip and use software emulation for back-compat.

You know that still ticks me off, about the loss of the EE chip. That was a good feature even if it had some hiccups in games not working but to take it out completely and use emulation makes the problem 50xs worse. I'm still a bit bitter with MS for seemingly giving up on backwards compatibility.

Ceric · « **Reply #2134 on:** July 09, 2007, 01:46:59 AM »

Alright. The $100 price break on the 60 gig makes me sort of want to go out and get it doesn't the 60 gig have wireless and still has the EE chip. I don't want a PSGimped.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2135 on:** July 09, 2007, 03:20:44 AM »

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
Well to the oblivious people they are going to think the new 600 package is a good deal since all sony did is pretty much throw in a slightly bigger SATA(thats not even as big as the 360 elite HDD) with a 60 dollar game that people thought is ho-hum.

I may be wrong, but can't you upgrade the PS3 Harddrive? So that makes this deal even more stupid, though I am happy to see the 100$ price drop for the system but this is, once again, going to push consumers away because the 600$ one will be seen as the "good" one.

Yes that is correct all you need is a SATA (Serial ATA) harddrive with a RPM rating that matches whatever Sony put in, SATA are the smaller 2.5" Harddrives that are typically used on laptops, and a screw driver since the harddrive bay is held by a mini phillips head screw.

This shows how the process is done.

I would get a PS3 if the new pricing hasn't effected the buy a PS3 get a free game of your choice from a indy gamestore I go to.

BigJim · « **Reply #2136 on:** July 09, 2007, 04:46:26 AM »

Ah, the new $600 unit is Sony's path to cutting their losses... just like the 360 Elite was supposed to before they had their warranty snafu.

This nets them $80+ easily.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #2137 on:** July 09, 2007, 06:31:22 AM »

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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
http://kotaku.com/gaming/we.re-slashing-prices/sony-confirms-ps3-price+cut-80gb-bundle-276091.php

Sony announced their new PS3 pricing structure

499.99 - 60GB PS3
599.99 - 80GB PS3 w/ Motorstorm bundle (available august)

Sony doesn't get it. Performance isn't the issue, and increasing the hard drive size accomplshes nothing. The price is the problem.

Should be cutting features instead, such as blu-ray. A blu-ray free PS3 for 200-300 dollars less would solve their problems.

BigJim · « **Reply #2138 on:** July 09, 2007, 06:46:57 AM »

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Should be cutting features instead, such as blu-ray. A blu-ray free PS3 for 200-300 dollars less would solve their problems.

That would make their problem infinitely worse. The BRD drive doesn't cost that much, for one. And just eliminating it means they'd need to entirely start over from scratch this generation, recall and replace all systems, recall, re-develop and replace all games on the market, as well as redo all games in development. The PS3 as it is would retail for $300 before they could even recover from the cluster-f associated with that alternative.

Ceric · « **Reply #2139 on:** July 09, 2007, 07:22:54 AM »

I agree with BigJim. I'm going to say this even though it sounds ridiculous but Sony could probably lower the complexity and still enable most features by:

Getting rid off all unneeded peripheral ports.
Getting Rid of the Harddrive and going with SD Cards or external.

Those two things would be a lot easier to pull off then pulling Blu-Ray.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2140 on:** July 09, 2007, 08:29:38 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
I agree with BigJim. I'm going to say this even though it sounds ridiculous but Sony could probably lower the complexity and still enable most features by:

Getting rid off all unneeded peripheral ports.
Getting Rid of the Harddrive and going with SD Cards or external.

Those two things would be a lot easier to pull off then pulling Blu-Ray.

Well USB ports are cheap to begin with and so are SD/Memory stick and whatever memory card ports sony put in. Ceric unfortunately theres one problem with getting rid of the harddrive: some/most PS3 games INSTALL themselves on the harddrive to reduce loading times or to completely cut all loading times and the installs do take up a good 500MB - 5GB so sony would be clustering their PS3 market just as how sony is accusing microsoft of doing with the Core/Premium 360 situation. The most expensive thing on the PS3 is the cell processor itself and probably the GPU and I doubt sony would want to take those two things out.

BigJim · « **Reply #2141 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:18:11 AM »

Yeah, they can cut out small things like the EE, but the beef of the price is in the RSX, Cell, and BRD. The only real option is time and an eventual die shrink of the CPU/GPU as well as continue to improve yields of all 3.

The HDD definitely costs a chunk too, but they're fairly commoditized at this point and won't likely change much in price. Since removing it isn't really an option, they have to deal with it as a permanant part of the price.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #2142 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:01:32 AM »

If you remove the part that plays games, it'd be a great buy as a BRD player.

Kairon · « **Reply #2143 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:30:31 AM »

They need to hit on value, but not in the technology way. They need to hit on value in the content way.

They need to pimp on the box the pack-in games, the free downloadable online betas, Home, the built-in easy wifi connection that will make connecting to the net a snap. They need to make consumers think that this box isn't just CAPABLE of doing everything, they need to make consumers think that this box DOES do everything, right there, right on the spot, everything-included, turn it on have fun and be blown away.

They need the PS3 to NOT be the complete piece of hardware, but the complete PACKAGE.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2144 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:50:51 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
They need to hit on value, but not in the technology way. They need to hit on value in the content way.

They need to pimp on the box the pack-in games, the free downloadable online betas, Home, the built-in easy wifi connection that will make connecting to the net a snap. They need to make consumers think that this box isn't just CAPABLE of doing everything, they need to make consumers think that this box DOES do everything, right there, right on the spot, everything-included, turn it on have fun and be blown away.

They need the PS3 to NOT be the complete piece of hardware, but the complete PACKAGE.

You are right, but that does not seem to be the route Sony is taking. Let's face it the emphasis of the PS3 has always been its technology, even more so than its games. That defiantely needs to change before anything happens!

Mashiro · « **Reply #2145 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:53:36 AM »

Sony will just have to learn the hard way. That way will be falling from the top much like Nintendo did. History does indeed repeat itself =)

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2146 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:15:16 AM »

US 80GB PS3s use SOFTWARE EMULATION for backwards compatibility

Well now that 499.99 60GB PS3 got a little more attractive.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2147 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:21:44 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Sony will just have to learn the hard way. That way will be falling from the top much like Nintendo did. History does indeed repeat itself =)

Do you remember last E3? Basically their whole press conference was about how amazing the GPU was. This mentality HAS to change or Sony will not get out of their hole.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #2148 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:23:56 AM »

Nintendo will sell 1 million Wiis for every E3 attendee that ran past Sony's booth last year.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2149 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:36:06 AM »

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Nintendo will sell 1 million Wiis for every E3 attendee that ran past Sony's booth last year.

LOL.

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