Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
By the time you reason out spending $500 dollaring the extra $100 doesn't seem that much.

The problem is that getting rid of the "cheaper" model avoids the "reasoning out the purchase of $500" and goes right to the $600 stage... which far fewer are even going to consider.

[couchmonkey]

On the flipside, I don't own an HDTV, and I only have wireless internet because I knew Wii would use it...if I was a Sony fan, the $100 would be well-saved.

[KDR_11k]

The 500$/€ wodel would be crucial for PS3 fanboys to claim that the PS3 is in fact NOT more expensive than both of its competitors combined.

[BranDonk Kong]

It's not that you're spending an extra $100 for the 60GB, the problem is you're throwing away $600.

[couchmonkey]

I was tempted to put this in the GameCube sales thread for old times' sake, but I guess hardly anyone will appreciate it there:

Japanese comparison of top 5 games for GCN/PS3/PSP in their first five months (courtesy of Wired):

PS3:

  1. Gundam Musou - 230,000
  2. Ridge Racer 7 - 130,000
  3. Gundam Target in Sight - 130,000
  4. Resistance: Jinrui Botsuraku no Hi - 120,000
  5. Armored Core 4 - 80,000

PSP:

  1. Minna no Golf Portable - 351,000
  2. Shin Sangoku Musou - 262,000
  3. Ridge Racers - 262,000
  4. Tales of Eternia - 168,000
  5. Piposaru Academia - 112,000

GameCube:

  1. Super Smash Bros. DX - 1,022,000
  2. Pikmin - 430,000
  3. Animal Crossing - 355,000
  4. Luigi's Mansion - 320,000
  5. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle - 116,000

FAILURE.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I never considered GC a failure, but som many on the internet have.
If PS3's #1 title hasn't sold as much as PSP's #3 title,
and PSP's #1 title hasn't sold as much as GC's #3 title,
and GC is widely accepted as a commercial failure,
then what does that make PS3? A financial and commercial disaster?

[GoldenPhoenix]

I don't consider a system that still brought in pretty good profits to be a failure, unless you are defining failure compared to your previous systems.

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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and GC is widely accepted as a commercial failure,
then what does that make PS3? A financial and commercial disaster?

A lot of what led to that was third parties completely ignoring the platform. It was almost sad how many licensed games were developed where a Gamecube version didn't even cross the developer's mind. At the moment, companies are still releasing these types of games across all three next gen console (along with the PS2 in some cases). The real sign of no return will be when these developers start dropping PS3 support for these types of games.

[couchmonkey]

I just wrote "FAILURE" to be an arsehole.  Like you guys are saying, the definition of failure is relative:  

GameCube could be considered a failure because it came in third and continued Nintendo's negative trend of losing customers.  It could also be considered a success because it made money and lasted for a full generation.

PSP could be considered a failure because it's losing to DS and it doesn't seem to be profitable.  It could also be considered a success because it has taken more handheld market share than any other non-Nintendo portable before it.

PS3...well PS3 is basically just a failure so far.  It has been fairly successful at pushing Blu-ray, but only time will tell if that's a true success or a fad propogated by bored PS3 owners.

[Ceric]

Sony would like to use your PS3 Computing resources to make them Money

While I think Sony could really milk the Idea of a cluster of PS3's being a poor mans Supercomputer if they made a profit off selling the hardware.

[Luigi Dude]

And Sony losing streak continues.

UK Easter Week Sales

Wii - 25,000
PS3 - 17,000
Xbox 360 - 11,000

So the Wii which is still suffering from a shortage outsells the PS3 which is widely available in Europe since Sony never sold there entire shipment.  It's just like in America and Japan, everyone that wanted a PS3 bought one at launch and now Sony's left with nothing.  And when you consider how important Europe was for Sony last gen, this is the biggest blow possible.

Well I think we can now safely say Nintendo has taken Europe.  And with both Japan and Europe conquered, it looks like it's only a matter of time before America falls to the might of Nintendo's army of innovation as well.

[Kairon]

We're only three weeks in! Give it some time!

... besides, the Wii has to catch up to and surpass the XBox 360 in installed units first. Let's focus on overtaking the lead in that difficult arena (No Wii soccer games? No Wii Singstar? NoE game release delays?) before claiming europe...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[couchmonkey]

I think the focus should be more on what PS3 and 360 are lacking...the fact that Wii sells out even though it has none of those products is a testament to how much more popular it is than the competition.

Of course, I do agree somewhat with the "give it some time" comment.  The right moves could put the competition in a better spot.  That said...they're never going to be able to fully compete with Wii because it took such a different direction.

[Luigi Dude]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
We're only three weeks in! Give it some time!

... besides, the Wii has to catch up to and surpass the XBox 360 in installed units first. Let's focus on overtaking the lead in that difficult arena (No Wii soccer games? No Wii Singstar? NoE game release delays?) before claiming europe...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

But for the PS3 we dont need to give it time, as long as the thing cost $600 it'll remain a failure.  It doesn't matter if MGS4, FFXIII, DMC4 and all there other so called big name titles came out tomarrow, the insanely high price tage has killed the system.  The average person will NEVER pay over $500 for a videogame system.  Sony HAS to drop the price if they hope to even stay alive.

And the Wii will easily surpass the 360 in Europe by the end of the summer.  Here's how the systems are in Europe right now.

XBox - 3.26
Wii - 1.82

Nintendo is already over halfway there, and when they start increasing the shipments they'll catch up in no time.  Plus your forgeting that Nintendo does have a game that will be huge in Europe, MARIO STRIKERS: CHARGED FOOTBALL !!! which comes out on May 25th, only over a month from now.

The Gamecube version managed to sell 420,000 copies in Europe when it was released in the fall of 2005, which is huge when you consider that the Gamecube had been dead in Europe since 2004.  So if the Gamecube version was able to sell that much when it was dead, you can imagen how well the Wii version will sell when the Wii is extremly popular in Europe right now.

Also here's Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft's lineup's so far for the next few months in Europe.

Wii

04/13     Wing Island
04/27    Disney's Chicken Little
       Mercury Meltdown Revolution
05/04    Eledees
       Spider-Man 3
05/11    Bust-A-Move Bash!
       Cooking Mama: Cook Off
05/18    Legend of the Dragon
05/25    Impossible Mission
       Mario Strikers: Charged Football
06/08    Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
06/22    Mario Party 8
       Shrek the Third
       Trauma Centre: Second Opinion
06/29    Cosmic Family
       G1 Jockey

XBox 360

04/20     World Championship Poker 2
05/04    Spider-Man 3
05/11    Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars
05/18    Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia
       Saints Row (Xbox 360 Classics)
05/25    Armored Core 4
       Forza Motorsport 2
       Forza Motorsport 2 (Limited Edition)
       Pirates of the Caribbean
06/28    Shrek the Third
06/29    The Darkness

PS3

04/20     F.E.A.R.
04/27    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
       The Godfather: Don's Edition
05/04    Spider-Man 3
       Spider-Man 3 Collector's Edition
       Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
05/10    Alone in the Dark
05/25    Pirates of the Caribbean
06/29    The Darkness


Yeah, I stand by my statement that Europe is looking pretty safe for Nintendo.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Luigi Dude, you have to forgive Kairon, he so wants the PS3 to be successful so he can play God of War 10, Final Fantasy 30, and perhaps a bit of Halo and GTA on the side. It isn't his fault he is a huge Sony fanboy .

[TrueNerd]

$499 20GB PS3 SKU = Public Relations spin so Sony didn't look too much more expensive then the 360.  

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Luigi Dude, you have to forgive Kairon, he so wants the PS3 to be successful so he can play God of War 10, Final Fantasy 30, and perhaps a bit of Halo and GTA on the side. It isn't his fault he is a huge Sony fanboy .

NOT TRUE!

I'm a... I'm a...

It takes a TRUE Nintendo fanboy to simulate, completely and internally within him or herself, the collected reactions and thought processes of thousands of enemy fanbois!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[couchmonkey]

What say we about Sony's choice to cut out the 20GB model?

It seems like it made sense based on sales, but I have to wonder if the 20GB model might have taken off once some major games started coming out.  As Luigi Dude said, I don't think people are very willing to pay $600 for a game system.  The early adopters are naturally willing to shell out that cash for the "best" version, but what about casuals who are waiting for Final Fantasy or some other more compelling games?

Still, if Sony honestly believes it wasn't selling then it makes sense.

[Ceric]

I think cutting the 20 Gig model is less of a mistake then cutting down the support for PS2 games at the moment.

[KDR_11k]

Heh, I wish I had a picture of that 60 Wii pile a store here has.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Heh, I wish I had a picture of that 60 Wii pile a store here has.

You should start pre-selling those on e-bay, or pick up a few for some of your lazy NWR friends who couldn't be bothered to put in a Smash_Brother effort to aquire thier own.

[TrueNerd]

Sony never gave the 20GB SKU a chance to succeed because they didn't want it to. It's likely they lost more on each unit sold with the $499 price tag and therefore only made it to appear like they weren't that much more expensive then the 360.

Side note: Does anyone else think it is pretty retarded that both Microsoft and Sony have recently been focusing on making their respective consoles MORE expensive as time goes on?

[Adrock]

The lower priced SKU's were pointless anyway. The extra $100 is totally worth it in both cases. The Core 360 was just utterly lame in every way. Really, you only save $60 because you'd need to buy a memory card. That may be a whole game right there, but still, the hard drive basically ensures that you'll never need more memory for saves and it's required for backwards compatibility.

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
Side note: Does anyone else think it is pretty retarded that both Microsoft and Sony have recently been focusing on making their respective consoles MORE expensive as time goes on?

In regards to Microsoft, I actually think that was a plan set in motion before the PS3 was released. I'm sure they thought the PS3 was going to steal a lot of their sales, so they begin to try and align the 360, in a new version, toward the percieved upper scale market that the PS3 was going to create... or at least in theory. While the Wii has clearly proven that both had the wrong idea in terms of what the market actually wanted.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Heh, I wish I had a picture of that 60 Wii pile a store here has.

Seriously, man, you should just be slapping those things on eBay and returning $50-75 profit on each one.

And woot for my 2nd appearance as an adjective.