Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 871067 times)

Ceric · « **Reply #125 on:** August 04, 2006, 06:09:52 PM »

But will the PSone/2 games automatically save to the Harddrive? That seems to imply saves that you already have.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #126 on:** August 05, 2006, 10:12:50 AM »

The IGN article about if Sony is doomed is an interesting read, but I don't know if we have full answers yet.

The editors started out pointing out the faults, but left with a pretty rosy outlook for Sony.

I question their prospective because they are too close to gaming and understand the competition between systems too well.

I truly believe Sony's biggest problem will be if casual gamers will see enough difference between 360 and PS3 games to warrant such a larger increase in price. See I believe this isn't a battle with Nintendo, but a battle with Microsoft. The people that desire Nintendo will buy it period...and that number isn't going to be insignificant...but it won't hurt Sony. However, Microsoft will.

I also felt most of the editors weren't too impressed with the Nintendo Wii...and their honeymoon with E3 is over. This is something that could happen with Nintendo. All this positive press just disappear when release actually happens. Lets hope it doesn't. But the editor that said Nintendo would only capture 25% of the market is way off base. That would put it to performing similarly or under the Gamecube wouldn't it?

I see the Wii doing quite well with hardware sales. There is going to be the hardcore gamer mass that will want to try something different and go to Nintendo...as well as the die hard Nintendo fans, finally the oldskool gamer will also be in love with the Wii. Those three classes of gamers alone will bring big sales for the initial Wii hardware.

My question is will they buy software...and I mean enough software to keep 3rd parties supporting the Wii. And I don't know the answer to that. Japan I think Nintendo will be ok. But elsewhere I dunno.

So I really see this battle being completely up in the air, but Microsoft has a nice lead, that I think they will keep instead of lose.

stevey · « **Reply #127 on:** August 05, 2006, 10:36:11 AM »

With daily bad news coming from sony it seem that sony is complely in denial about it. I wonder when they figure out when they're in big trouble or doom...

Ceric · « **Reply #128 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:35:10 AM »

Seriously I think we are getting Mediocre press about the Wii now for two reasons.

1) We've only have gotten relatively mediocre level and quality of news since E3, PGC shows us the press release and while the one from Nintendo was entertaining the rest where mediocre
2) If playing is such a big thing to understanding no one has really had anymore experiences with it since E3

If we still get a lukewarm reception from the non-fan press after they get there dev units to start demoing games then I'll take it a little more seriously. As seen it would behoove Nintendo to get those units out sooner then later even with an NDA.

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Originally from the article Joystiq was quoting
Harrison says: "We have shown more playable games than ever before, so the signs are good, and right now there are more than 100 Blu-ray movies available today,

Really know. Last I checked there was like 5. I wonder where they are hiding?

Edit 2: The Return:

List of Blu-Ray Titles on Sale
That sure looks like Hundreds to me....

Nintendo Master Game list as a Bonus feature
Fun Factoid. It seems that Ubisoft has the first game launched on the Gamecube with Nov 10, 2001. Tarzan something or other.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #129 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:34:17 PM »

Wii is going to rape... how many college students do you guys know that can afford to drop $500 on a new ps3? (haha, beer me)

How many college students can fit an HDTV and PS3 in their dormrooms? (its hard enough getting a desktop PC in there)

Now how many college students do you think abso-frickin-lutely LOVE to come home from class at noon and sit on their futon all day playing Super Smash Bros.? (n64 gets as much love as xbox, ps2, and from my experience in the UGA dorms, Smash has a following comparable to Halo, plus on small TV's the split screen issue, well, isn't an issue)

How many drunken college students will go absolutely crazy when they can drink over some healthy rounds of wiiSports?

How many students in Russell hall are going to see me playing Wii on the big screen TV all day on launch day? (approx. 900 live there; I lived there last year and am going back specifically for viral marketing of Wii)

[/nintendo pwnage]

ps. I forgot to mention Zelda, Red Steel, all downloadable classics (finally smash 64 w/out crummy analog sticks!)
forget WiiPessimism; Nintendo has this.

Ian-yone disagree?

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #130 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:30:12 PM »

I just wanted to note that 2 more PS3 games have been canceled according to the latest issue of Famitsu
"From Software cancels development on Dark RPG (PS3) and Black Blade (PS3)."

I wonder what the reason for this cancellation is....

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #131 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:45:52 PM »

They realized the PS3 doesn't work?

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #132 on:** August 08, 2006, 09:29:38 PM »

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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict finally smash 64 w/out crummy analog sticks!

Preach it, brotha!

As for the subject, I don't think people realize just how bad this news is for Sony.

Canceling support is what companies were doing at the END of the GC's life, and now they're doing it before the PS3's has even begun.

Like I said, worst news Sony has faced yet. If devs take a "wait and see" approach to the PS3, then no one will be making the games which will make it safe to develop for so no one will develop for it down the line.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #133 on:** August 08, 2006, 11:01:31 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict finally smash 64 w/out crummy analog sticks!

Preach it, brotha!

As for the subject, I don't think people realize just how bad this news is for Sony.

Canceling support is what companies were doing at the END of the GC's life, and now they're doing it before the PS3's has even begun.

Like I said, worst news Sony has faced yet. If devs take a "wait and see" approach to the PS3, then no one will be making the games which will make it safe to develop for so no one will develop for it down the line.

Ouch, that is nasty news, unlike Nintendo I don't think Sony can live off their 1st party franchises. I mean what do they have Ratchet and Clank (not sure if that is one), Jak, GT, and um Warhawk? I would say the Ico team but they take a long time in between games and they really aren't system sellers.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #134 on:** August 09, 2006, 03:53:52 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
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Originally From: Daily Tech
With that being said, even though Sony's PlayStation 3 has yet to hit store shelves, Sony is already talking about its successor. Sony's Phil Harrison believes that the PlayStation 4 will forgo discs altogether.

Both NVIDIA and Sony have stated that the PS3 will have a shelf life of 10 years -- that pushes us to 2016 for PS4.

If first you don't succeed try something else.

Then what's the point of Blu-Ray then, if they are just going to abandon it? Sony won't do this because then they break the rule of backwards compatibility. How will you play PS/PS2/PS3 games on your driveless PS4?

JonLeung · « **Reply #135 on:** August 09, 2006, 04:54:20 AM »

As I mentioned on the Wii board briefly, as of today, it's 100 days to the launch of the PS3...so if you can save up an average of, say, $7 a day from now until then, you'll be able to barely afford it and maybe a game depending on however much in taxes your city/state/province/country will put on top of that.

Now, $7 a day isn't hard at all, even if you have a crappy, low-paying job with too few hours - and you may already have money saved up for anything - but is it worth it, and would you want one at launch? From all that this thread points out, this is the definition of a chancy purchase.

Ceric · « **Reply #136 on:** August 09, 2006, 05:24:14 AM »

Nitsu Niflheim: You offer and attachment PS4 or a "Patch" for you old PS3 that will let you transfer all of the content of the disc onto you PS4's infinite storage device (Aka Sony's home server).

In all actuallality the XBox 360 is a more attractive platform to develope for if you want HD. MS is providing an API that if you use it you can develope for the PC and the 360 at pretty much the same time. Controls and tweaking would still need to be done but the core developement would not. This gives you twice the bang for your buck. Even if the game would only run on Vista and 360 I'm sure there we'll be plenty of Vista copies out in the target market. (Just don't play Nintendo games on these "Vista Copies" that come from the wild or JAPMN Strike Force will gettcha, like poor Smash_Brother).

That being the case there is more reason for people to learn the API and how to deal with it then to learn the API for the PS3. Not to mention the PS3 Cost more and it will take a while for a dedicated person to find how to tap it's true power.

Arbok · « **Reply #137 on:** August 09, 2006, 07:32:10 AM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
As I mentioned on the Wii board briefly, as of today, it's 100 days to the launch of the PS3...so if you can save up an average of, say, $7 a day from now until then, you'll be able to barely afford it and maybe a game depending on however much in taxes your city/state/province/country will put on top of that.

Man, that should be the PS3's slogan going into its launch: "only 100 easy payments of $7!"

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #138 on:** August 09, 2006, 12:10:34 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric (Just don't play Nintendo games on these "Vista Copies" that come from the wild or JAPMN Strike Force will gettcha, like poor Smash_Brother).

I own the original media so it's legal, I SWEAR!

Ceric · « **Reply #139 on:** August 09, 2006, 01:11:40 PM »

<Country Sheriff voice>
Nope... That ain't going to cut it. It clearly states in the front of the manual that you are not allowed to have another copy of the game in any form for any reason. (Go on grab a GCN game manual and look. I'll wait.)
Yep I'm going to have to take you to where all your type go.
*Pipe sound*
*You are in a factory deep under the earth where you see an assembly line*
Transistor B49 line.
Oh no.
You'll have to work your way up to placing the transistors.
You'll be powering the Conveyor.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Nintendo.
Boy.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #140 on:** August 09, 2006, 02:44:28 PM »

I'll run.

Everybody runs.

Kairon · « **Reply #141 on:** August 09, 2006, 03:47:36 PM »

But you're a Sandman!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

capamerica · « **Reply #142 on:** August 12, 2006, 08:00:19 AM »

More bad news for Sony:

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Dana Jongewaard, editor of Official PlayStation Magazine, says in her 1Up blog that even she will be passing up the PlayStation 3 this November for the less-expensive and currently available Xbox 360. Yes, the OPM editor says she is turning to the "dark side" and picking up the less expensive console. She writes:

But when I know that a console's direct competitors cost two-thirds or half of that price, it becomes harder for me to justify shelling out that kind of money. $600 might be worth it if there were several huge titles on the near horizon that were PS3-exclusive. But for the first year at least, there are very few big titles that are PS3 exclusive. GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time.

The other big reason for people to shell out $600, BluRay, is frankly something I don't care about. So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what -- for me at least -- will be a very similar experience for $400. I would like to own a PS3, and I hope that the price drops soon so I can consider it.

So there you have it. Even the OPM editor seems to be a bit discouraged by the start of the PS3. It's starting to look like Sony will really have to come out with some great exclusives to sell people on the console as months pass by. That first year, though, is shaping up to be a rough one.

Ceric · « **Reply #143 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:15:45 AM »

Yeah. But I'll take that with a grain of salt considering that she can play the PS3 at work. So getting one herself would be for her own amusement but anything she wants to try she could probably try at work.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #144 on:** August 13, 2006, 04:23:45 AM »

The memory card adapter sounds like a step up from the XBox 360 solution ("You are screwed").

Hocotate · « **Reply #145 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:41:38 PM »

I'm not sure if this has been posted or not but...

EA says the PSP is no fun

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Third-party support is essential for the life span of any gaming product, so when you have a major publisher such as Electronic Arts calling you out, you better listen. EA executive VP and COO of worldwide studios David Gardner recently told MCV that Sony better get their act together with the PSP.

"I don't think Sony can afford to sit back. I think they still have things they can do with the price and performance of the machine-- things that they need to address."

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Gardner points to the success of the DS as being about fun and accessibility, not about pure technical supremacy.

"There's no doubt that EA has historically bet more on PSP. I think we were excited by the technology, but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun. ... EA is putting more effort behind DS games -- and creative ones that really take advantage of the hardware."

And so, the bad press train keeps rolling for Sony.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #146 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:40:43 PM »

consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun

And that was unexpected for you?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #147 on:** August 14, 2006, 08:07:50 AM »

What, EA is aiming for FUN now?

LOCK YOUR DOORS AND HIDE YOUR CHILDREN, PEOPLE!

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #148 on:** August 14, 2006, 09:33:09 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah. But I'll take that with a grain of salt considering that she can play the PS3 at work. So getting one herself would be for her own amusement but anything she wants to try she could probably try at work.

True, but it's the PSM editor. Not even owning your home team's product in the first year (and possibly longer) is a kick in the teeth. Seeing PS Magazine employees explain why they don't want to buy a PS3 is on equal footing with the canceling of games before the console has even launched in the "bad news" category.

I mean, she works for the goddamn MAGAZINE. She's one of the people who is supposed to support Sony regardless.

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Originally posted by: Professional 666 What, EA is aiming for FUN now?

Actually, I was more surprised to see the words "EA" and "creative" in the same sentence.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #149 on:** August 14, 2006, 08:11:14 PM »

To EA, Creative is a company they can buy out.

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