Author Topic: Possible double-disc Zelda for Europe (Read 7636 times)

Requiem · « **on:** July 01, 2006, 05:53:38 AM »

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About Zelda Twilight Princess
They don't know if it will be in two SKU in Europe, or just one with both the GCN and the Wii versions. They're studying right now the cost for the final user and the viability of these options in our continent to make the right choice.

What about the rest of the world? We would all love a double-disc Zelda.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:26:10 AM »

That would rock.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:29:29 AM »

That would piss me off.

capamerica · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:53:33 AM »

I am planing to buy both versions, But I would prefer buying a double disc version.

Requiem · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:04:31 AM »

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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
That would piss me off.

Why?

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:27:29 AM »

I think its great idea, but they will miss out on all the double sales of the GC owners who bought it for GC then upgrade to Wii and want to play the Wii version too. But as a consumer I would rather buy the game once and play it for the GC until I get my Wii and then I can upgrade to the Wii version(using the same game save?) and play that version too, it might even get GC owners to play throught the game twice with both control schemes.

Ceric · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:58:42 AM »

I like this idea. For the cost of the media, which should be negligible compared to packaging and the like, it be a good show of good will and would probably prompt people to upgrade faster then they would have otherwise. Even if you have a game once if you have the new system version as well curiousity could get the best of you. Take someone teetering on the edge and push them to a Wii sell. Not to mention the price isn't so bad that this couldn't actually work. As long as it cost around what it normally would be. I have no problem with this. (It also means when people want to borrow I don't have to let them borrow my Wii copy or vice-versa if I like the GCN version better.)

mantidor · « **Reply #7 on:** July 01, 2006, 02:22:32 PM »

For the prices Nintendo charges in Europe they better do it. And talking about overpricing, they should really give us latinamerica lower prices, this isn't the first world, damn it! at least keep the prices the same as NA. The x360 so far has little future around here, and much less the PS3 with their blue-ray, but if Nintendo wants the wii to at least take off in the region they better give better pricing, or people will stick to pirated xbox and ps2.

Kairon · « **Reply #8 on:** July 01, 2006, 02:25:34 PM »

GO GO EUROPE!

~Carmine M. Red
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Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #9 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:05:26 PM »

It'd make sense, it REALLY wouldn't be worth releasing a seperate GC version in Europe considering just how shockingly bad the system has done over there.

Mario · « **Reply #10 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:44:09 PM »

This would solve ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS! Come ON Nintendo, this is the one screwup i've been pissed off about, and by doing this you can fix everything and we can make love once again!

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That would piss me off.

Why?

Because he's not in Europe.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #11 on:** July 02, 2006, 12:47:21 AM »

I don't think this would fix ALL of the problems Nintendo created with the Wii version of Zelda (there were complaints about the idea of Revmote control in TP long before Nintendo announced they'd be splitting it up and charging twice for it), but it would get the biggest problems out of the way, and then we could ignore the minor little ones, saying that at least Nintendo's doing everything they can about the situation (which is more than NOA's apparently doing here).

Ceric · « **Reply #12 on:** July 02, 2006, 06:13:19 AM »

So I see Europe is just an extension of Inspector Gadget. It is all becoming clear.

NOA... They couldn't make a decision like that because there working on there next Promo Packaging for Press and getting whipped by NCL. Did you see how the DS Lite come to the Press? They openned the box lights came on and music played presenting the system. I think that if the press gets something like that then every first run DSL should have been packaged like that. It almost makes you think that the press is the tartget consumer. Oh wait... If we could get Matt to raise a stink about why not have it here in the states and every other Nintendo press editor of any clout. We could get it. Especially if. somehow or another, the corporate buyers for Videogames to Walmart, Sears Holding, Target, GameStop (The whole company), Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. kept asking to buy the dual disc set because there is a demand for it. We get it then. But this is the USA(M if you part of the Senate or are dear President). Home of the Silent Majority.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2006, 07:05:45 AM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
For the prices Nintendo charges in Europe they better do it. And talking about overpricing, they should really give us latinamerica lower prices, this isn't the first world, damn it! at least keep the prices the same as NA. The x360 so far has little future around here, and much less the PS3 with their blue-ray, but if Nintendo wants the wii to at least take off in the region they better give better pricing, or people will stick to pirated xbox and ps2.

actually, even if the games are priced like the US, they'll be still expensive compared to the pirated ones.....

sadly, it seems that the better option would be to pull a PSX and make it easily pirateable :|

if the Wii follow s the same price structure as the GC (with X360 and PS3 insanely overpriced, obviously), the PS2 will a have a long life cycle....

KDR_11k · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2006, 09:01:18 AM »

sadly, it seems that the better option would be to pull a PSX and make it easily pirateable :|

Nintendo has small profit margins on the system, they rely on games sales to make the bulk of their money. Easily pirateable would mean unprofitable. A region that doesn't buy your games is not worth pandering to.

Ceric · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2006, 11:00:22 AM »

That is true. On the flipside Nintendo did make it ridiculously easy to make the Cube region free. Giving the dog a bone will sometimes keep it from the ham.

mantidor · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2006, 02:36:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
For the prices Nintendo charges in Europe they better do it. And talking about overpricing, they should really give us latinamerica lower prices, this isn't the first world, damn it! at least keep the prices the same as NA. The x360 so far has little future around here, and much less the PS3 with their blue-ray, but if Nintendo wants the wii to at least take off in the region they better give better pricing, or people will stick to pirated xbox and ps2.
actually, even if the games are priced like the US, they'll be still expensive compared to the pirated ones.....

True, but at least my poor wallet wouldnt cry when seeing the prices, and I'd actually buy more games, I really want Mario Strikers and Super Princess Peach, but Im not going to pay $80 and $50 (doing direct conversions to us dollars) for them.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2006, 03:35:18 PM »

This would be great.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2006, 06:48:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
sadly, it seems that the better option would be to pull a PSX and make it easily pirateable :|

Nintendo has small profit margins on the system, they rely on games sales to make the bulk of their money. Easily pirateable would mean unprofitable. A region that doesn't buy your games is not worth pandering to.

well, you're right, but since we never had cheap games to beign with, we don't know whether people might buy them or not.... (besides, we have been neglected for so long T_T)

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Originally posted by: Ceric
That is true. On the flipside Nintendo did make it ridiculously easy to make the Cube region free. Giving the dog a bone will sometimes keep it from the ham.

interesting....I'm guessing that was the case so people wouldn't have an excuse to get a modchip (except pirates, of course)

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actually, even if the games are priced like the US, they'll be still expensive compared to the pirated ones.....

True, but at least my poor wallet wouldnt cry when seeing the prices, and I'd actually buy more games, I really want Mario Strikers and Super Princess Peach, but Im not going to pay $80 and $50 (doing direct conversions to us dollars) for them.

I agree, and I'd prefer them cheaper as well (especially since importing isn't an option, guessing that there it isn't either) because I could buy more games (instead of getting only like 5-6 and borrowing the rest from friends)

Ceric · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2006, 06:57:05 PM »

Actually, I haven't been able to find the magical instructions, according to some online sources if you are one of the few that have the network adapter you can get your Cube to pull and run Rom's from you computer. It's suppose to be like it's in the tray. The principle is sound but as I said I've never seen these magical instructions or GCN Roms for that matter.

Edit: Found an Article about it and this sort of explains why Nintendo isn't online. You know what really stinks is that my Wife lost my copy of PSO and I really liked that game. My character had an excess of 100 hours on her.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:56:32 AM »

True, but at least my poor wallet wouldnt cry when seeing the prices, and I'd actually buy more games, I really want Mario Strikers and Super Princess Peach, but Im not going to pay $80 and $50 (doing direct conversions to us dollars) for them.

If those are the prices where you live you got off with international standard pricing. The US is the cheapest market, the rest of the world pays roughly the prices you mention or a LOT more. Don't ask me why.

well, you're right, but since we never had cheap games to beign with, we don't know whether people might buy them or not.... (besides, we have been neglected for so long T_T)

Indeed, I have a feeling all games need a big price cut across the board but it seems publishers are afraid that might reduce their profits (I have this hunch that it would increase sales enough to increase profits). Especially the "outer" regions need price drops. Demanding higher prices in an area with lower incomes is a great way to increase sales for the counterfeiters. I know there are transport costs but I also know that games aren't exactly sold on tiny margins. The per-unit price is very low so prices could be adjusted to be fair for every region and having the more expensive regions cover the R&D but I think the IP cartels are just afraid of international trade cutting into their price fixing schemes(which gave us great innovations like region lock that should be reason enough to put some CEOs into jail).

Ceric · « **Reply #21 on:** July 03, 2006, 06:24:42 AM »

Actually I'm pretty sure that whatever Margin they maintain is about the same in the US. It's amazing cheap to get goods to America. Not to mention we don't feel like tariffing people like we should. Also I just thought of this. Taking whatever the equivalence of Minimum wage over there how many hours do you have to work to buy an average priced game? I'll use $49.99 for my game. After Uncle Sam gets his cut I'll make about $4.12 per hour because I live in Tennessee and there is no State income tax. $49.99*9.75% sales tax = $54.87 is the actual game price. $54.87/$4.12 is aproximately 13 hrs and 20 Mins or for me about a week of work because everyone over here is only doing bad hour part time. Thats Minimum wage but more and more jobs are becoming "Service Oriented" and getting even $6 an hour is getting hard. I've worked for Sears for 2 years now and I only make $6.20. By this time my Wife was making $7.something at Walmart and that's "good" for where I live. So I'm just sort of curious what that actually amounts to where you guys live. I chose Minimum wage because I'm sure you guys have it and it be the cheapest someone is paid so somewhat standard. The most I've ever been paid was $15 dollars an hour, which is above almost all Social workers and the like, so I actually made about $12 an hour, wouldn't that be like 6 euros?. So using above numbers $54.87/$12 a little more then 4 and a half hours or about 30 minutes more then half a work day. So using Europe Price of $80 times sales tax be about $87.80. So for minumum wage it would take about 21 and a half hours and the most I've gotten paid about 7 and half hours. Almsot a day worth of work.

As I mentioned how does these Numbers jive with you guys?

Now on to the real discussion. What if they release a GCN version, Wii Version, and Collector Edition that is Wii/GCN with bonusses. Mailbag recently did remind us of the Collector edition. The thing probably be an $80 monster though.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #22 on:** July 03, 2006, 07:53:42 AM »

the minimum wage here is around $90 a month....and to barely live (ie: food, water, etc) you have to spend around 35-40 a month......

so yeah, those prices don't help us one bit :|

and I agree with KDR (one thing I was thinking though, couldn't they press the discs by region? (for example, the ones for Latin America could be pressed in Argentina, as there are such factories there) because that would lower the games' prices...)

mantidor · « **Reply #23 on:** July 03, 2006, 07:58:28 AM »

Well region code isnt a poblem because we are in the same region as US, which makes possible for many original copies of the games to be available at more normal prices, of course such copies never entered the country legally. And anyway, all region codes do is to increase the sales of freeloaders.

as for minimum wage, here is monthly based, and is around $160 us dollars, legally jobs are supposed to be from monday to friday, eight hours a day, which would ammount for $1/hour. I really don't need to do any more math, is pretty obvious why prices of games here are just ridiculous. and thats using the current dollar rate exchange which suffered from a really big low last year and is just starting to pick up again at a fast rate, by the time the wii launches the direct conversion of minimum wage to us dollars if the trend continues would be around $130, not even a whole month salary is enough to get a console! much less if the original price of $200 ends up being $300 here. I was lucky I got a job only part time but with a salary near minimum wage, but I had to quit, Im way behind in my studies and I have to catch up before august.

Or in other words, Im screwed, and I really doubt I'll get a wii at launch unless I find another job now and start to save, something I can't do. If they make the bundle for TP with the original and wii version it would be good, but if they are charging more for it then Ill rather stick with the GC one.

Edit: ouch >_< $90? and I thought our minimum wage was bad...

Requiem · « **Reply #24 on:** July 03, 2006, 08:06:09 AM »

Damn that sucks ya'll

It takes me about 6.5 hours to make enough money for a $50 game, and I work 8 hours a day.

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Author Topic: Possible double-disc Zelda for Europe (Read 7636 times)