Author Topic: Always knew he was a phony (Read 28945 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #75 on:** June 27, 2006, 06:20:19 AM »

Zelda Nukem Forever!

StarZeldaCraft 2!

IT'S NEVER COMING OUT. TAKE UP BIRD WATCHING AS A HOBBY AND GET ON WITH YER LIVES.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #76 on:** June 27, 2006, 06:25:06 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Zelda Nukem Forever!

StarZeldaCraft 2!

IT'S NEVER COMING OUT. TAKE UP BIRD WATCHING AS A HOBBY AND GET ON WITH YER LIVES.

I wonder if StarZeldaCraft 2 will be as innovative as the original (Tinglelisks FTW!)

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #77 on:** June 27, 2006, 08:06:33 AM »

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Originally posted by: Rhoq Let's be honest here. The GameCube's life needed to be cut short. It's reputation has been damaged beyond repair and it's future has been looking pretty dismal since the release of Resident Evil 4. Wii = a fresh start, something that Nintendo desperately needs more than Microsoft needed to rush the Xbox 360 into production last fall or Sony needs to release the PS3 this year.

Agreed in full.

TP wasn't about to "save" the GC, and even if it did, the next gen wars were already being started by MS so any success the GC experienced would be cut short soon after.

I remember back when MM launched and Nintendo bragged that it outsold PS2s that week. Yeah, fat lot of good THAT did for them, right?

Like I said, LoZ:TP will be the Wii's #1 selling title at launch. Count on it.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #78 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:15:04 AM »

I don't understand the questioning of TP being brought to Wii.

When it was first rumored. Some people were upset, but others were hoping for the push towards the next system. It meant better graphics, new controls, a more accessable market push. (Launch games for new systems usually all sell very well.) It also meant that Nintendo would be launching with one its most mature game franchises at launch.

Now people are asking what would Zelda be like and feel like **If it was only Gamecube?** Its a silly question. And I am disheartened that people would be focusing this.

Lets just stop and look at the positive. If you want to buy TP for Gamecube you can. However, since it is on Wii...we have literally two potential killer apps for the system on launch day. Don't you think that is important.

(Zelda)
(Metroid)

And those games are more mature games for Nintendo.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #79 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:28:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang I don't understand the questioning of TP being brought to Wii.

Welcome to the club. We meet every wednesday. Here's your hat.

The Wii's launch will probably be Nintendo's most important to date:

1. It's a brand new control scheme, one which is completely untested on the market.

2. The Wii will be graphically inferior to its competitors, again spurring doubt.

3. Unlike the DS, Nintendo doesn't rule the home console market with an iron fist. In fact, they've lost the last two gens.

and most IMPORTANTLY:

4. Many developers are waiting to see how the Wii sells before they develop for it. Many have "pledged" support, but they're likely just playing "wait and see" to see whether or not it succeeds.

With all this riding on it, the launch needs to kick ass and take names and while it would have been decent with MP3 and Red Steel at the helm, TP just seals the f*cking deal.

Seriously, Nintendo cannot afford for this launch to do anything but storm the charts and place the Wii at #1 for holiday sales. If they want to regain lost ground, they need to come back with a vengeance and TP will be a huge part of their momentum.

Mario · « **Reply #80 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:47:44 AM »

^ Wii WILL SELL OUT REGARDLESS, NINTENDO CAN'T PRODUCE ENOUGH DS'S AS IT IS. It's NOT THAT BIG A DEAL!

Oh cool, a hidden TP rant thread!

TP Wii = Sucks because it uses the Wii controls horribly awkwardly which pretty much renders it unplayable, because it's using a GC graphics engine (not saying it'll look bad), because it makes the Wii look like it's pointless if all it does is produce 1998 style 3D Zelda gameplay with it's 3D motion technology, because focusing on these things is a waste of time.

It'll be like Super Mario 64 DS. SM64 DS had some cool new stuff, but the controls made it not fun, and everyone just wanted to play the new levels with a N64 controller.

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Originally posted by: Kairon

NO. You're completely WRONG on this. You're criticizing Nintendo for EXACTLY realizing their full potential. If it were up to you they'd have released TP GC exclusive this spring MINUS the extra 6 months of work they're doing to make it 120%!

We jump on you because with TP Nintendo is PROLONGING THE DEV TIME and putting MORE WORK into the game, yet you complain!!!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Nintendo has ruined the entire impact of the Zelda franchise with this and the incredibly ugly generic looking Phantom Hourglass, and that's FACT and everyone who disagrees is WRONG. The impact of Twilight Princess is further diminished by not only the two version clusterfork, but the countless delays. NOBODY CARES ABOUT IT ANYMORE! It wont sell more than 20,000 copies, i'd bet my house on it.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #81 on:** June 27, 2006, 11:00:14 AM »

Can I see a scan of the deed to your house? I'll be assuming ownership in November

vudu · « **Reply #82 on:** June 27, 2006, 11:34:41 AM »

Hey, as long as we're completely off subject, can we discuss how uneven the character tiers are in SSBM?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #83 on:** June 27, 2006, 11:48:24 AM »

I've always been annoyed that they delayed Zelda to use it as a Wii launch title but I'll admit that in theory that is a pretty good idea. The problem is entirely with the Wii version itself. Judging from E3 impressions it controls like crap and that's not suprising since it was originally designed for a completely different controller. I think that creates the risk of Nintendo making a lousy first impression.

Skeptics have always pointed out that the Wii controller's lack of buttons in comparison to past controllers will compromise the controls of "traditional" games. Nintendo however has made a big deal about how this new controller is the future and everything's cool. Twilight Princess proves the skeptics right. Not only does it not control as well because of the new controller but by releasing a Cube version Nintendo is providing a direct comparison between the two control types. And it looks like the Cube version is going to be superior. That makes Nintendo's new controller look pretty lame and g!mmicky. It's not the future, it's just a different way of doing things. The "traditional" setup not only isn't broken but is in fact better for traditional games. That's pretty much the last thing Nintendo should want people to think (or perhaps I should say "know").

I think a better idea would be to merely use the Wii's backwards compatibility to use Zelda to help sell Wii's. Metroid Prime 3 would be a suitable "Wii exclusive" launch title for the Wii on its own. Zelda's still at launch but doesn't have broken controls or exposes the weaknesses in the Wii controller design.

It'll still sell but isn't going to do any wonders in selling the Wii controller as anything beyond a novelty.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #84 on:** June 27, 2006, 12:06:22 PM »

I don't think that we can truly judge the controls of the game during E3 as how it will control final game.

I am expecting Nintendo to polish the control to perfection by the time it is released. Why should we doubt that. Nintendo has always put an extreme emphasis on great control.

Hell, look at Red Steel and how Ubisoft is reworking the controls for the game after complaints. Perhaps they will figure out a means to do true 3D space PC style first person controls...and even figure a means to avoid crazy screen movement from subtle twitch movements from your hand.

Retro is also listening to us about the control of Metroid Prime: Corruption.

Why do we believe that the current control at E3 is it. That the flawed control is how the entire game will play. For all we know the game will use a completely different system when it comes out...or will be refined to perfection.

Ceric · « **Reply #85 on:** June 27, 2006, 02:09:34 PM »

Nintendo must know that if they release a TP that doesn't control spot on that there going to be taken to cast and pretty much kiss everyone's planned vacations in the company good-bye. It would make what is already an uphill battle into a mountain trek.

Kairon · « **Reply #86 on:** June 27, 2006, 02:15:22 PM »

I personally predict that the Wii controls will be FINE. YES FINE.

But not perfect. I anticipate that the GC controls will be perfect, of course, so I would recommend that any real purist get the GC version if they can only get one copy.

But seriously, the concern over the TP controls at E3 is VASTLY exagerrated. From all I've read and watched, TP controls seem to be at respectable third-party AAA title levels of suitability (as in, not up to Nintendo's standards, but otherwise not too worrisome), which is good enough for the average gamer.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

wandering · « **Reply #87 on:** June 27, 2006, 02:39:32 PM »

I expect absolutley nothing to be wrong with TP's controls whatsover. And we'll all realise this around the same time the wiimote becomes as second nature to us as the analogue stick.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #88 on:** June 27, 2006, 05:24:30 PM »

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Originally posted by: wandering
I expect absolutley nothing to be wrong with TP's controls whatsover. And we'll all realise this around the same time the wiimote becomes as second nature to us as the analogue stick.

You could very well be right, I think we all forget that when Super Mario 64 first came out the analogue stick seemed awkward. Wii is an even bigger change for controls than the analogue stick, so I suspect that those who are use to current controls will have to get used to it.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #89 on:** June 27, 2006, 05:40:08 PM »

Not even Super Mario 64 could prepare you for the deadly CHALLENGING Bridge that sat in the center of Kokiri Village with the 5-rupee piece at the end.

That was the true test of analog skill.

Ceric · « **Reply #90 on:** June 27, 2006, 07:58:31 PM »

Sort of like in God of War how the little crossbeams where Kratos's greatest enemy. Even mightier than a god.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #91 on:** June 28, 2006, 02:16:19 AM »

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Nintendo has ruined the entire impact of the Zelda franchise with this and the incredibly ugly generic looking Phantom Hourglass, and that's FACT and everyone who disagrees is WRONG. The impact of Twilight Princess is further diminished by not only the two version clusterfork, but the countless delays. NOBODY CARES ABOUT IT ANYMORE! It wont sell more than 20,000 copies, i'd bet my house on it.

lol, man, I hope you have a good place to stay as backup

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #92 on:** June 28, 2006, 07:48:13 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric Nintendo must know that if they release a TP that doesn't control spot on that there going to be taken to cast and pretty much kiss everyone's planned vacations in the company good-bye. It would make what is already an uphill battle into a mountain trek.

Exactly.

And on the subject, does anyone have any more quotes from Matt, possibly about his reaction to realizing that 80% of the gaming world was already dancing on his proverbial grave before he announced that it was a joke?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #93 on:** June 28, 2006, 08:48:29 AM »

Ceric: Your completely right. Nintendo is using Zelda and Metroid Prime (two of the more complex designed games) to prove the Wii control can handle any game experience. It must perform better than standard controllers. Yes...better. It it just performs as well as standard, then why was the change needed?

Later on, Mario will be also released...and it is going to have to perfect as well.

Ceric · « **Reply #94 on:** June 28, 2006, 09:02:40 AM »

People don't like whose on top. Even the other IGN Editors were jealous of him before. IGN is big and plenty of other Game Journalist and sites are jealous of IGN. So of course there be tonnes of people wanting him gone. It's sort of a testament to what he does.

Requiem · « **Reply #95 on:** June 29, 2006, 04:27:58 AM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Ceric: Your completely right. Nintendo is using Zelda and Metroid Prime (two of the more complex designed games) to prove the Wii control can handle any game experience. It must perform better than standard controllers. Yes...better. It it just performs as well as standard, then why was the change needed?

Later on, Mario will be also released...and it is going to have to perfect as well.

But what games could possibly be better to prove the Wiimote to old fans than Zelda, Metriod, and Mario?

If those are great, consider us and many others believers.

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