Author Topic: Disturbing comments-again (Read 18113 times)

Kai · « **Reply #25 on:** March 02, 2003, 07:44:41 PM »

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Originally posted by: The Omen
GTA=played more by adults? Not around here. Unless 14-18 yr olds are what you consider adults.

Spot on. You would have to be wearing blinkers not to realise that GTA is marketed towards older children/teens, despite ratings this seems evident.

I read "The Hobbit" as a child. I wouldn't have been twelve when I read the book for the first time.

It is shorter and in some ways an easier read, however I went right on to read the other Lord Of the Rings books.

"Tolkien replied such a story would be much too dark for children."

Well, it was and is a rather dark read I suppose, but times change, and there are a lot of books released each year that could be considered far more disturbing, and they are released into the children's book market.

Lord of the Rings is not uncommonly read by children with decent literacy skills. I expect you are correct when you say they may not understand every facet of it, but it seems to me that is is often one of the first "adult" books that people tell me they read as a child.

SilverBack1138 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 02, 2003, 08:15:27 PM »

Well, I think this guy doesn't really know much about general popularity of Nintendo's franchises and I think he's only stating it because it's mainstream opinion.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:41:28 AM »

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I'm sick of hearing GTA is for older gamers only. I do not know any older serious gamer over the age of 20. Everyone I know, even my little brother's 7 year old friends play GTA. It is not an adult only game, so stop saying that.

Do you hand around with many over 20 gamers?
I do.
I am 32 and love GTA3 and vice city, my brother in law who is an optomitrist also loves the games, so please can we try and be a little more subjective. Just because there are no 30 years olds in your junior high who play it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

The Omen · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2003, 09:08:35 AM »

The point was, a large percentage of kids and teenagers play the gta series. Just as many adults and kids enjoy Zelda.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #29 on:** March 03, 2003, 10:49:13 AM »

I think you guys are taking this out of context. Ken Embery isn't bashing the Cube or anything. He's merely saying that with the direction they're taking The Hobbit it would sell best on Gamecube. That is true. Any game that targetted more for a younger audience is obviously going to sell better on Gamecube then on the other consoles. That doesn't mean that Gamecube is for kids. It means that kids are more likely to own a Gamecube. Gamecube is bought by people of all ages. Kids are likely going to own a Gamecube over the other consoles. That's what Embery was saying.

You guys all say that Gamecube is for all ages yet when someone develops a kid's game for it you guys freak out. A system for everyone means that there are games for EVERYONE including games for kids. You can complain when a developer won't release a game on the Gamecube because of demographics but you can't when someone does release a game on Gamecube.

KrazyJ1098 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:17:02 AM »

i didnt say that, i was just saying that most people who buy a cube are folks my age.

Sean · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:45:44 AM »

Rick, please clear this up really quick and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the majority demographic on GameCube a "young" one? I mean, isn't that why games like RE and ED didn't quite sell as well as people expected? Okay, that may not be true, but a developer saying that releasing a General Audience game on GameCube is a smart move shouldn't be an inflammatory statement.

I cannot understand how a developer can have enough faith in the GameCube to make a game for it and yet people even on this board take a statement they make and say it is anti-Nintendo. It makes no sense. From what I've heard, the GameCube's audience IS young, so it IS smart to release "Rated-G" games on it!

I repeat: the company is releasing the game for the GameCube--how can they be against Nintendo at the same time?

And before anyone wigs out, I am not saying many older games don't love the GCN. I'm 24, after all, and far from alone. But it's very, very unfair not to mention ungrateful to take a simple statement on a console's demographic and turn it into all this.

I was just thinking of how much worse this would've been if The Hobbit were for PS2 only--you guys would've raised up torches and rakes and stormed the town square. IT'S COMING TO GAMECUBE!

Gamer Donkey · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:52:27 AM »

I'd just like to state that my previous unfounded statement was not solely based on this quote, however this thread seemed like a good place to make an unfounded statement.

Now for another: I've noted on Extended Play they do not mention near as many Gamecube games as the other consoles, and unless the game is ground-breaking it gets a mediocre to bad rating. Also, on The Screen Savers (a show I watch and love) I've seen multiple Xbox plugs.

</fanboyism>

P.S. I like torches

Sean · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:03:35 PM »

Donkey, I won't say for a second that there is a lot truth under all of what we're saying, but I don't think it pertains to what this developer said. That's all.

I know as well as anyone paying attention that a great many people have some very unfair and skewed ideas about Nintendo, including many developers. I understand what everyone's getting at, but this developer's words have been twisted badly, as I see it.

We've got to cut down on the blind, unthinking, knee-jerk, reactionary responses to statements people make. We're acting like cornered children who are terrified of taking their medicine because they think it'll taste much worse than it really does.

Cap · « **Reply #34 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:05:56 PM »

You cant really use the sales of ed and re to determine that gamecube has a younger audience. Both re remake and re0 went on to sell a million worldwide, a figure pretty good for a system that has less then 10 million systems out there. In comparison, i have to wonder how well konamis disney sports games have sold, being specifically targeted at the younger crowd. i'm willing to bet that none has sold as well as either ed or re. thq is another developer that was tageting the younger crowd, and we know how that went over. I doubt the age demographics are that different between the 3 systems.

Sean · « **Reply #35 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:09:51 PM »

Cap, like I said, that's not a good example, but the point is still valid, I think. There are a LOT of kids playing this thing. I see it in retail outlets ALL THE TIME. Kids, kids, kids are looking, looking, looking at the CUBE CUBE CUBE. Even if kids are the major demographic, there are still a LOT of them, and that still makes what this developer said very valid and fair and honest.

And I repeat, the company is making the game for the GameCube as well, so obviously you must give them the benefit of the doubt.

The Omen · « **Reply #36 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:14:08 PM »

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Rick, please clear this up really quick and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the majority demographic on GameCube a "young" one? I mean, isn't that why games like RE and ED didn't quite sell as well as people expected? Okay, that may not be true, but a developer saying that releasing a General Audience game on GameCube is a smart move shouldn't be an inflammatory statement

As far as i'm concerned, the demographic is only slightly different for all 3 systems. As far as RE, I think it sold pretty well. Capcom didn't expect huge numbers. ED, being a new franchise, didn't sell as much as it should have, but if there was a sequal it would sell quite well. Mr. Embery didn't say 'General Audience', which would be perfectly acceptable. He specifically said 'younger gamers', which does not infer a General Audience. No complaint on the actual game being released was ever brought up by me, so I don't know why that started.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #37 on:** March 03, 2003, 03:59:19 PM »

Despite the rating, Nintendo games and their affiliates tend to make more mature games than the other systems. Honestly, what's mature about blowing the crap out of people and watching digital tits and meaningless violence (or dumb-reason violence). One of the many reasons I liked Metroid Prime is that not every enemy tried to kill you. You could walk right past some.

Not to say that GTA isn't fun. It's great fun to blow people up and slaughter innocents, but it can only entertain for so long. Things like Zelda last a long, long time.

But Hobbit for cube is cool. I probably won't get it, but it's nice to know Nintendo is getting some stuff. Same for FF:CC.

Sean · « **Reply #38 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:12:55 PM »

A message to the Errant Knights at Planet GameCube Forums:

The Omen writes:

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Mr. Embery didn't say 'General Audience', which would be perfectly acceptable. He specifically said 'younger gamers', which does not infer a General Audience.

Okay, so perhaps I'm the only one who think that GENERALLY, TYPICALLY, STEREOTYPICALLY, NORMALLY a G-Rated MOVIE (General Audience) is for a "younger audience." I hate to tell you this, but General Audience DEFINITELY implies a younger audience more than any other implication behind the phrase.

Now it's as obvious as it ever was that a lot of you are looking for a cause to champion--I respect that, but for a moment, lay down your quixotic windmill quest and enjoy the news. Believe it or not, some news is good news. The Hobbit coming to GameCube, while not literal gospel exactly, is good news. What the developer said was not a slight to the GameCube, but a statement that implied the demographic they were going after. If he's wrong, well, he's wrong, but this very clearly was not a slight against Nintendo.

Anyway, I don't think he's wrong to think that a game aimed at a General Audience will do better on GCN. Sega sure thinks so--and it sure worked for them.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:25:17 PM »

out of about the 30 gamers i know over 20, only 2 play however a way higher percentage under 20 do play gta3 and vc. it isnt a more mature game.

Sean · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:28:59 PM »

Is anyone going to address the real point? It's not about who's playing Grand Theft Auto 3 and at what age, it's about the simple fact that General Audience games are at home on the GameCube. This seems true. It's not a big deal.

The REAL point of all of this is that the comments WAAAAY up there really aren't disturbing at all if you're the slightest bit reasonable. If you're really reasonable like me, you are confounded by what you see here.

The Omen · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2003, 05:03:21 PM »

The point I'm trying to make is that all games are at home with Nintendo fans, not just the 'E' rated. If its good, for the most part, people will buy it.

Gamer Donkey · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2003, 05:16:36 PM »

Well put Omen. However I still believe there is a conspiracy against Ninty, but this statement obviously does not prove it. I apologize for polluting this poor thread with my sillyness. I hope you forgive me

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Hostile Creation · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2003, 07:20:52 AM »

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised. Microsoft is probably not the most trustworthy of organizations, and though I know little about Sony, it certainly has money to dedicate to Nintendo's downfall. If so, Nintendo is still holding up, and well.

Sean · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2003, 10:23:47 AM »

Omen, Nintendo fans aren't at all what we're talking about here. Everyone knows that Nintendo fans have good sense. ;-)

What I thought I was getting at, pertaining to this thread's supposed "disturbing comments" was that it's not unreasonable for a developer to develop a G-rated game on GCN with the expectation that there is a big audience for such a game. I think we can safely argue that PS2's and XBOXes skew to an older demographic.

Nowhere here do you see me saying that older gamers (like myself) wouldn't be struck by a bus just to play Zelda: The Wind Waker. Nowhere do you see me saying that I think older gamers only play GTA3.

Is anyone else getting what I'm saying here?

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #45 on:** March 04, 2003, 10:29:31 AM »

One think that would really interest me is how the demographic is spread amonst console purchase.
Because I believe the GCN demograph is really set at very young gamers like 12 and below and basically skipping the youth 17 upwards.
The youth is where the PS2 and Xbox are strong but they also have strong userbases going up the age group.

This is my estimate. But id love to see real numbers.

egman · « **Reply #46 on:** March 05, 2003, 12:42:44 AM »

Yeah I would like to see more numbers as well.

In another forum someone recently put up the Jan NPD numbers and some people were looking at the Sega numbers on X-Box and comparing that with what has been done with the Cube. While there was no educated conclusion, it does look like a lot more Sega fans migrated to the Cube, which may further support the theory that Nintendo is being supporting either by a really young audience who is beginning to become gamers and an audience 18 + years who got started in the NES/Master System or SNES/GENISIS days. The consoles are probably selling more to the masses who started to take notice of gaming during the peak of the PS1. This my hypothesis, but it would be interesting for someone to actually study this.

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