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Offline The Omen

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« on: March 02, 2003, 09:23:28 AM »
  I was reading about 'the Hobbit' over at IGN, and the developer made this comment-

Ken Embery:" I think our opinion from the beginning has been that The Hobbit, as a novel, is a younger story, if you will, than the other Lord of the Rings stories. It's more of a children's story, in our view. And I don't mean to overemphasize that. But it's about Bilbo's beginning adventures in Middle Earth and the thought going into it was that The Hobbit would probably skew to a younger audience, which is also why I believe the decision was made to lead with GameCube. The Mario and Zelda audience has historically been a younger audience and so the art style was derived to take advantage of that target market. "

I know i'm over-reacting, but this is just so tiresome...mario and zelda appeals to the 'Everyone' audience, not children.  Has he ever played either game?  It doesn't sound like it.

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2003, 09:45:10 AM »
I have no foundation for this, but I think some people are being paid a lot to push Ninty out of business.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2003, 10:10:52 AM »
ohh come one
yes the comment is a little uneducated but
pushing somebody out of the console market by developing a popular franchise for them is IMO some of the biggest
bull ive heard

its not like the people are gonna say, now that the hobbit (which could be a really strong franchise) is on the GCN i wont buy it
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2003, 10:14:20 AM »
  I have no foundation for me agreeing with you, but I do.  Now for some paranoia!  What if there are fans of SEGA out there still pissed at NIN. for the NES and SNES?  I know that they would grow up angry and belittle Nintendo any chance they got!  Ok.  Maybe not, but it seems to me alot of people take jabs at Nintendo.  Maybe I was up too late......
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2003, 12:27:45 PM »
Omen, while as much as wed like to change it Nintendo does have a kiddy image, people do belive it, The majority of games are not M rated. So Nintendo has built its own bed and must sleep on it, as badly as others like myslef woul like th change that
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2003, 12:30:15 PM »
"The Mario and Zelda audience has historically been a younger audience and so the art style was derived to take advantage of that target market."

What is wrong with that statement? It's true. Who are the people that want Mario and Zelda games? Kids or adults that discovered Mario/Zelda when they were kids themselves. Nobody is saying that adults can't enjoy them, heck I'm 30 and I buy all of them. But are they games that most adults care about? I'd have to say no, check out the sales figures compared to games like Madden or GTA. Yeah, sure, there are some adults that buck the trend but the majority are not pulled toward Nintendo's games. Publishers pick up on this.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2003, 12:37:42 PM »
children like games aimed at adults just as much as they like games aimed at children.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2003, 01:37:27 PM »
GTA = played mostly by adults

Zelda = plyaed by adults and children

Which one is the younger audience? Zelda.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2003, 01:47:32 PM »
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I think our opinion from the beginning has been that The Hobbit, as a novel, is a younger story, if you will, than the other Lord of the Rings stories.

I dont really agree with this statement because, yes the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were originally written for children back in the mid 20th century, but this day in age i believe that kids would have a hard time reading and comprehending what the stories are saying.  Its a higher reading level than say the Harry potter books which are aimed for children.  In my opinion the Hobbit doesnt seem to be too much different than the Lord of the Rings.  Its the same monster slashing traveling across middle earth.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2003, 01:48:10 PM »
Oh man, you people bitch about everything dont you?

The statement is 100% true, deal with it.

Heres a thought, just play the stupid games and forget about all the other crap.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2003, 02:00:11 PM »
Check out the logo canuck.

And I agree with Acerazer.  
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2003, 02:08:38 PM »
GTA=played more by adults?  Not around here.  Unless 14-18 yr olds are what you consider adults.  
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2003, 03:04:23 PM »
I would never call Zelda a game targetting a young audience. It can be downright scary! I wouldn't let my child play that until he or she was like 12.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2003, 03:21:52 PM »
I think my 9 year old cousin would rather play gta than zelda. i love both game series but i think i they require different levels of attention to enjoy them. you can go into gta and just start killing bums and hookers and that but in zelda you will be immersed in the myth and charm of the game at a slower rate.
im not trying to say anything about either game. okay, hmmmmmm CYAaaaaaaaa  
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2003, 03:24:39 PM »
"The Mario and Zelda audience has historically been a younger audience"

I think what he means by "younger audience" is the "really friggin' big seller audience" since Mario and Zelda games always seem to sell millions more copies than almost any other series. The guy just wants the Hobbit to sell well.

"yes the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were originally written for children back in the mid 20th century,"

The Hobbit, to a degree, yes, but Lord of the Rings was most definetly *not* written for children. The Hobbit was supposed to be a nice little fairy tail for kids to read (maybe not real young kids, but Tolkien wasn't aiming at specifically adults), but in a letter written to someone asking to him to write a story about the Necromancer, Tolkien replied such a story would be much too dark for children. Well, LotR IS abotu that Necromancer, Sauron. It also contains a LOT of things that little kids would not understand- I first read the book in 4th grade and didn't understand an ounce of it. I do know, 5 years later, but LotR was not written for just kids. Besides, towards the end the book starts getting written in a very old English way- a little kid could spend hours wading through words upon words without knowing what most of them meant. LotR is a lot darker than the Hobbit (which has a sense of darkness all it's own).
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2003, 04:07:18 PM »
"The majority of games are not M rated"

as is it on all consoles..................and as for gta being more for adults then zelda, or even older people playing gta is false. honestly now, gta is played by young and inexpirienced gamers for the most part. most people who play zelda have been doing so for quite some time now. i only know a few gamers with refined tastes that stil enjoy gta....i dont know if u heard the interview with desin dyack, but he talked about gta a little bit, and he had a lot of things to say that were true. if u havent checked it out yet, i suggest that u do so.


edit: and what the heck is Necromancer
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2003, 04:37:42 PM »
as is it on all consoles..................and as for gta being more for adults then zelda, or even older people playing gta is false. honestly now, gta is played by young and inexpirienced gamers for the most part. most people who play zelda have been doing so for quite some time now. i only know a few gamers with refined tastes that stil enjoy gta....i dont know if u heard the interview with desin dyack, but he talked about gta a little bit, and he had a lot of things to say that were true. if u havent checked it out yet, i suggest that u do so.

Perfectly put, nolimit
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2003, 05:13:04 PM »
I'm sick of hearing GTA is for older gamers only. I do not know any older serious gamer over the age of 20. Everyone I know, even my little brother's 7 year old friends play GTA. It is not an adult only game, so stop saying that.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2003, 06:44:53 PM »
A necromancer is someone who conjures of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events.  In this case he's refering to sauron.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2003, 06:49:47 PM »
screw the reason their making the game,  their making the game.

really, i beleive alot of this shit started with quest 64, the game wa sa decent game, but not the best. When looking at games like final fantasy which had more adult characters people sought that the designs could look a bit more grown up. Now everyone has a complex about colorful games. I swear this could be a good game...havnt tested it..but if it is damn good. Who gives a crap if it has violence in it or what not. Really, i like what silicon knights were saying. They dont push for target groups they just make games and they take whatever the esrb gives them. Amen. Thats how games used to be made, there was no ratigns board. I suppose Nintendo censored some games back in the day, but that is completely over with now. The only one censoring games now is Sony.
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2003, 06:55:38 PM »
that statement is false(the hobbit guys i mean). i work at a circuit city and you know where the majority of our pre order disks for the zelda games went? almost all of them went to people my age or around my age, which is 20. mario on the other hand, well, that one is spread through the age groups. gta is played mostly by teenagers who are quite a bit younger than me(13-17 range). i know the demographics that games sell to, cause i sell these games every other friggin day. in fact, most of the people who buy gamecubes are folks my age. what the hell? where is the younger audience that they speak of? i dont know. sure i sell them to families with kids sometimes, but the majority of people buying them from us are people between the ages of 18-28. it isnt the biggest selling demographic, but it's making nintendo money folks.  
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2003, 07:00:40 PM »
  Your quite right.  Its because people who grew up with Nintendo still support them.  Like me.  I'm old as dirt.  People my age love Nintendo.  We were in the 10-12 age group when the NES came out, and we've grown old with NIN.  
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2003, 07:03:41 PM »
finally i get noticed.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2003, 07:10:57 PM »
almost all the audience that Nintendo has right now are grown ups and die hard nintendo fans wich supports the company with every console(like me and every guy in this forum) i started playing nintendo consoles when i was 5 years old playing nes, now i'm 18 years old and i still love Nintendo and their consoles, when i go to the stores to buy or see new games, almost all the time when somebody is buying a PS2 game this somebodys are 13-15 years old kids, they love been cool with their pirate GTA or the new dvd pirate copy of devil may cry, so if the guys of the hobbit belives that the gamecube is for the younger audience, they are not going to sale very well in the GameCube,  that's why they make the game multiplatform now
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2003, 07:26:23 PM »
It's true, all the little kids buy into the hype and they love anything with a "M" rating on it. That's how they base their decision on games...it's kinda dumb...but what do you expect from kids?  To them...it's not what you play, as long as you look cool doing it.
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