Topic: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Spak-Spang]

I dunno.  Just because a game is popular doesn't mean you should put their characters into Smash Brothers.

I really can't see a reason for Animal Crossing characters in the game.  They don't fit.  The game isn't even an action game series.  

At most I would do is either a themed level surrounding Animal Crossing, or some reference to it without a real character showing up to fight.  But I may be in the minority on this one.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang The game isn't even an action game series.

Chase down (or be chased down BY) a tarantula and then come back and tell me that.

Pokemon and Fire Emblem aren't "action" games in any sense of the word, and yet those have a strong presence in SSB. Both of those are turn-based and yet the characters showed up on the merit of their popularity.

I think AC is a shoe-in: the game is just too much of a runaway hit on the DS not to be.

The only question in my mind is which character they'll include.

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Ok seriously.  Does Jigglypuff look like a fighter to you?  He sleeps and sings.  Not exactly killer instinct imo.

But point taken.  Doesn't change that I'd like to see KK in there.  He's just so damn cool.

JP's sole purpose in its game of origin is to fight. KK plays music.

Though, given how popular the series is and the fact that KK and Resetti both showed up as trophies in SSBM, they could easily both be included.

[Spak-Spang]

Yes,

But Pokemon is a game about fighting.  It is an RPG, but it still has action in it.  You are raising monsters to fight.  The same about Fire Emblem.  It is a strategy game, but it is filled with action.

Animal Crossing is a life simulation.  There are a few elements that may be considered action based...but for the most part it is fishing, writing, designing houses, clothing and more.

I love Animal Crossing, but I just don't think it makes a perfect fit in Smash Brothers, even with a run away hit.  Unless they do what they did with Nintendogs and just put it in as a special cameo thing some how.

In other words, Nintendogs was a run away hit, should you be able to play as a Puppy?  Or Brain Training was a huge hit, should the doctor be in the game?  Hell No.

[couchmonkey]

I think Resetti would be okay, but I agree that it's not the greatest game to add to SSB.  I think they could probably fit some Animal crossing stuff in, though. An Animal Crossing level, and maybe an Axe weapon, that would be cool
(but then the game would be rated M...*chop chop chop chop*)

[Kairon]

Animal Crossing items would rock!

Ooooh! Ooooh! And tons of AC trophies! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Zach]

But lots of the characters have swords, which can be worse than an axe.  As long as they dont show blood, then an axe could easily be included without risking the ratings.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: Zach
But lots of the characters have swords, which can be worse than an axe.  As long as they dont show blood, then an axe could easily be included without risking the ratings.

But how many characters have golden shovels?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Spak-Spang]

The Golden Shovel and Golden Axe would make great items and would be very cool items in the game.

I think that is the perfect way to pay homage to Animal Crossing.

It could also be cool if all melee weapons had a golden form that came out like every 10% of the time the item is summoned.  It could be like 25% more powerful than the regular item.  

[Zach]

GOLDEN HAMMER!!!!!

[Spak-Spang]

Zach:  I think that would be the most frightening item in the game.  

[Ceric]

Not only smash people away but send a revibration through the stage stunning people.  AC levels I can see, AC Items also, anything else would be weird.

[EasyCure]

i like the idea of an AC leven but i think it would be more realistic to think that an AC related item would show up before a level.

on that not. the first item i could think of being perfect for smash would be the Pitfall. i remember not having a single clue as to what that thing did, and i buried it outside of my house because i had no where to store it. walked right over it and then i realized it. having Pitfalls in ssbb would be cool, and theyd work just like the proximity mines do. who wouldnt want to see snake or ganondorf make the same expression as a character from AC when they fall into one???

the golden items was a good idea too. oh and Mr. resetti should be pulled out of the ground with Peach's turnip move at random (how sometimes she unearths a mr saturn, mr resetti would make more sense though). they could even have like a speech bubble or a trail of words following him as you throw him across the stage.

i think someone might of mentioned this before but what if they DO add the brain age doctor to the mix? play the game on normal-very hard and reach master hand with no continues. get him down to half his hp in less than a minute or so, out comes crazy hand. get his hp half way down and out comes... BRAINAGE DOCTOR!!! he'd float in the middle of the stage between each hand and shoot lasers from his eyes and throw math equations at you. it would be almost like battling andross actually if you lose he could taunt you with sayings like "your fighting age is 63. you're still young so take these resultes with a grain of salt"

[IceCold]

I really like that boxart couchmonkey, although I feel that Wario shouldn't be the centre of attention; in that one he is foremost.

Also, Dr. Kawashima should totally be in SSBB! Takashi Tohoku University future technology collaborative research center Kawashima thickly forges the professor supervision brain DS training. I love saying that.

[Mikintosh]

Well, they probably couldn't have the Brain Age doctor in the game b/c it's a likeness of a real person, tho it's not out of the question. But I think an Animal Crossing item's pretty likely, and maybe a Chibi Robo stage? Just to throw things out there.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang But Pokemon is a game about fighting.  It is an RPG, but it still has action in it.  You are raising monsters to fight.  The same about Fire Emblem.  It is a strategy game, but it is filled with action.

"Action" is not deciding a command and waiting for a random number generator to dictate the outcome of your decision. In fact, that's the exact OPPOSITE of action: allowing success or failure to be determined by RNG means that the game could be played by an 80 year old and still be played just as well as a 10 year old because skill and reflex are 100% irrelevant.

FE and Pokemon are RPGs. Both contain absolutely no "action" on the behalf of the player and therefore calling AC not an action game by comparison is nonsensical.

I've played all three and there's FAR more action in Animal Crossing when it comes to catching bugs, shooting down sky items, fishing and being chased down the beach by a tarantula which is bounding after you and nipping at your heels.

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I love Animal Crossing, but I just don't think it makes a perfect fit in Smash Brothers, even with a run away hit.  Unless they do what they did with Nintendogs and just put it in as a special cameo thing some how.

In other words, Nintendogs was a run away hit, should you be able to play as a Puppy?  Or Brain Training was a huge hit, should the doctor be in the game?  Hell No.

Nintendogs are generic puppies which you create and tailor to your own tastes.

Mr. Resetti and KK Slider are known characters and icons in the AC circle, so much so that they both appeared as trophies in SSBM.

These are just more fan-dreamt prerequisites for what they think constitutes good SSBB characters. As we now know, even 3rd party characters aren't off limits. The only thing which seems to consistently guarantee entry into a SSB is popularity.

AC is immensely popular in Japan, where it has sold 3,000,000 copies there alone. You honestly think it'll just be given some watered down representation like a stage or an item?

Again, it's not the question of whether or not SSBB will include an AC character, it's the question of which one will it include. Count on it.

As for the doctor, stranger things (like Mr. Game and Watch) have happened.  

[Ceric]

Why don't we use the term Violent then instead of Action.  AC doesn't have a violent streak in it.  It's as violent as an average life in a quiet town.

[Bill Aurion]

Hahaha, Mr. Resetti would be an awesome item...If you are hit by him you can't move until you cycle through all of his text...Most dangerous item ever!

[KDR_11k]

No, that'd be a few seconds of stun, enough to charge a super attack like Roy's firesword.

[Mikintosh]

It would take a huge updating of the character designs of the AC characters to match the Wii graphics, as they've never been shown at better than N64 level. Also, pretty much every SSB character was playable in their original games; neither KK Slider or Mr. Resetti fit that, and the main character from AC is too generic (and customizable) to work either. I do think that it should have Balloon Fight-like representation, with stage music and items and all that.

[Luigi Dude]

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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
It would take a huge updating of the character designs of the AC characters to match the Wii graphics, as they've never been shown at better than N64 level. Also, pretty much every SSB character was playable in their original games; neither KK Slider or Mr. Resetti fit that, and the main character from AC is too generic (and customizable) to work either. I do think that it should have Balloon Fight-like representation, with stage music and items and all that.

Updating charactor designs isn't a problem.  Look at Pit, his last game was for the Gameboy and they had no problem updating him.

In the case of being playable, it's no different then the Pokemon charactors.  The main charactors in the Pokemon games that you play as aren't used in any of the Smash Bros games.  Instead they use the popular charactors like Pikachu and Jigglypuff since ever knows about them.  

Now me personally, I'm not into the whole AC series so I'm not hoping for an AC charactor but since the recent one has sold 3 million copies in Japan and done quite well in America also, the chances of an AC charactor appearing are very high.  

Plus if they were able to give Caption Falcon (A charactor that was only known for driving a fast moving vechicle since he's the main charactor of a racing series) a moveset, they're capable of giving any charactor a moveset.

[Bill Aurion]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
No, that'd be a few seconds of stun, enough to charge a super attack like Roy's firesword.

Thanks for ruining the joke...

[stevey]

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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
It would take a huge updating of the character designs of the AC characters to match the Wii graphics, as they've never been shown at better than N64 level. Also, pretty much every SSB character was playable in their original games; neither KK Slider or Mr. Resetti fit that, and the main character from AC is too generic (and customizable) to work either. I do think that it should have Balloon Fight-like representation, with stage music and items and all that.

It would be easy to make AC charaters to fit in the wii they could just use the artwork with WW link cel shading.  And about the nonplayable then the main charater in AC... you could be everyone favorite charater since you can make your own face on the wii you could very well play with yourself or better yet play with reggie as a charater in the game!=)  

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude Updating charactor designs isn't a problem.  Look at Pit, his last game was for the Gameboy and they had no problem updating him.

In the case of being playable, it's no different then the Pokemon charactors.  The main charactors in the Pokemon games that you play as aren't used in any of the Smash Bros games.  Instead they use the popular charactors like Pikachu and Jigglypuff since ever knows about them.

Luigi beat me to it.

They fabricated movesets for all of the characters: find me a Zelda or Metroid game where Link or Samus had kick attacks or grabbed their foes and pummeled them.

They'd have no problem generating movesets for AC characters, especially Mr. Resetti and KK since they both have weapons already (pickaxe and guitar, respectively).

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Now me personally, I'm not into the whole AC series so I'm not hoping for an AC charactor but since the recent one has sold 3 million copies in Japan and done quite well in America also, the chances of an AC charactor appearing are very high.

Thank you for being the voice of reason here.

Can anyone name me a Nintendo franchise (with characters which could be turned into SSB fighters) which has sold 3 million units in Japan ALONE which isn't represented in SSB?

[KDR_11k]

Legend of Starfi?

[Kairon]

KK's a pacifist! A lover, not a fighter! He makes sweet sweet lurrrv, not war!

Besides, we all know that the if there was only one Animal Crossing character in the game, it'd be Nook. With a baseball bat. Going for your kneecaps.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com