Topic: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[mantidor]

The smash concert was amazing, and one of my favorite songs is the metroid theme. I have no doubt that the orchestra and chorus for the Metroid theme are going to be glorious, Im not entirely sure about the Donkey Kong rap or Mario's theme though, but I wasnt that sure about Metroid in orchestra either.

[Crimm]

I want the DK rap preformed operatively by three tenors.

[IceCold]

The Final Fantasy guy is doing this music, right? I don't know much about him, but I will say that I loved the SSBM soundtrack, and I'm really excited to see how this one turns out.

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This game is going to be an opus of all things beautiful and Nintendo. Just wait and see

That's what I'm hoping for.. I want this game to bleed the Nintendo red.

[Strell]

There's no way Ice Climbers will be removed.  Aren't they Miyamoto's favorite character?  

[Smoke39]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Smoke:  Well, I am very excited about the music...and just because an Orchestra is being used...doesn't mean an Electric Guitar won't be used in some tracks...or used along side the orchestra.

Maybe, but that's not really the impression I got.  And I really don't like orchestra music.  But what really bugs me is when it seems like it's being used just for the sake of using orchestral music, because it's supposedly more epic or some junk.  Anyway, it's not like I'll hate the game if the music stinks, but obviously I'd prefer to listen to music I liked reasonably well while beating people up.

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: Smoke39
And I really don't like orchestra music.  But what really bugs me is when it seems like it's being used just for the sake of using orchestral music, because it's supposedly more epic or some junk.

Because you can do more with it, because it's more pleasent to listen to, etc. You might not like it, but some of us love it while some, myself included, prefer the Smashing Live soundtrack over what actually made it into the game.

Personally ,I can't wait to see how the music turns out.

[mantidor]

Im a huge fan of Metroid Metal but the orchestra version Ive heard of Metroid songs (both of them because there arent a lot) have been mind-blowing.

[Smoke39]

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Originally posted by: Arbok
Because you can do more with it, because it's more pleasent to listen to, etc. You might not like it, but some of us love it while some, myself included, prefer the Smashing Live soundtrack over what actually made it into the game.

Personally ,I can't wait to see how the music turns out.

I know lots of people like it, it's just an idiosyncasy of mine.  I really don't think it has any inherent superiority however (eg "you can do more with it"), I think that's a matter of personal preference.

[Dirk Temporo]

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Originally posted by: Smoke39
And I really don't like orchestra music.

Yeah, you're going to hell.

[Spak-Spang]

I think people forget you can make almost any sound or simulate any sound with an orchestra.  I think people too often think of classical music or opera when they think orchestra and forget that it can be used for so much more.

John William's creates masterpieces that literally pull you into the movie experience.  Many of his works are so good they stand alone.  Most in the very least bring pictures of your fondest moments of the movies.  

The orchestra is the most powerful and moving means of creating music...and most expensive.

The fact that Nintendo is going this route for Smash Brothers Brawl proves they are willing to spare no expense in this game.  They aren't pulling the punches and this game will be glorious.  

[Kairon]

The only thing better than orchestral music is 8-bit music.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Luigi Dude]

Because of the orchestral music, this is one of the reasons I'm hoping for Sonic and Megaman to be in the game.  Sonic and Megaman games had amazing music and to hear some of their themes orchestrated would just be beyond perfect.

Oh God what I'd love to hear would be a Sonic theme that had orchestrated versions of the Japanese versions of Palmtree Panic (Present), Quartz Quadrant (Present) and Stardust Speedway (Present) from Sonic CD.  Those are my three favorite Sonic themes of all time.

Of course the problem would be since Sonic CD was for the Sega CD/Mega CD, it's still one of the lesser known Sonic games and so music from Sonic 1, 2 and 3 would be more likely because they were more popular.  

Plus there's the fact that Sega of America's a bunch of dicks when it comes to the Japanese soundtrack for Sonic CD and would probobly try to find of way to stop the music from being thrown into the game by saying it'll cause Americans cancer if they listen to it or some other horrible excuse like that.  Or worst of all, try to have the music replaced by the horrible American versions of the songs.  

[Mikintosh]

I actually really like the music from Sonics 1-3, especially the Green Hill Zone theme, which would be a likely inclusion if Sonic's in the game; they're indentifiable in a good way. I'd count on tunes like those to be done on guitar like the Mach Rider theme in SSBM, not orchestral.

[Luigi Dude]

Oh, I hope I didn't sound like I hated Sonic 1-3, I love the soundtracks to those games as well.  It's just the Japanese version of Sonic CD has my favorite Sonic soundtack and I get really worked up when I talk about it.

I agree, Green Hill Zone would be the best choice since it's the theme pretty much everyone thinks about when they think of Sonic.  Plus it's a very good theme as well.  
Another one that'd work well would be Starlight Zone's theme and the second stage of Sonic 2 (I cant remember the name at this moment) theme

[Smoke39]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I think people forget you can make almost any sound or simulate any sound with an orchestra.  I think people too often think of classical music or opera when they think orchestra and forget that it can be used for so much more.

I'm not mistaking it for anything, I just don't like it. :b
And there are some things an orchestra just can't do.  For example, the orchestra version of the Deus Ex theme they randomly decided to use for the PS2 version of the game lacked a lot of the original's tone.  I'm not saying this is necessarily true, but to me it just seems like they were like "whoa, orchestra music is fancy, let's use it because we can!"

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: Smoke39
...but to me it just seems like they were like "whoa, orchestra music is fancy, let's use it because we can!"

Well let me tell you its not. As Spak-Spang mentioned it's not cheap at all, especailly in Japan as it's actually less expensive (and has been done before) to fly a crew out to Russia or Germany and use their orchestras while bringing along a Japanese composer. So this is not something where they simply said "Eh, want to use a Orchestra?" "Sure, why the hell not?" There are huge expenses attached so this descion does not come easy, and it's why you don't see a great deal of orchestration in video games as it's not economically feasible for the most part.

[EasyCure]

i thought the FF composer was only doing the Title theme, the one thats playing during the trailer....

[mantidor]

Thats what is confirmed, whether or not he will make the arrangements for the rest of the music remains to be known.

[Spak-Spang]

EasyCure:  I think it is mentioned on Smash Brothers Dojo, that the Orchestra was being used for all music.  Though the FF composer may only be used to write that original Opera for the Title theme.

[TMW]

Yeah...I remember reading a translated interview where the composer bascially said he wanted to use the orchestra and latin lyrics for all the music in the game.

Which is awesome.

[Artimus]

I think that this is a prime game for orchestral music as you have a limited amount needed.

Orchestral beats synethesized anyday for this type of music. Afterall, the midi is trying to sound as close to orchestral as possible.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Sorry to interrupt your conversation, but I have an urgent message from Samus:
"It is too hot and I wish you guys would turn down the heat in here!"
that is all.

you may return to your regularly scheduled conversation.

[Kairon]

I still like Samus better as a purple-onde.

*Sigh* But her hair color is her own choice, who am I to argue?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Ceric]

Agree with Purple.

On the Orchestra note.  I am a stout lover of Brass.  I hate Violins.  Not because of the sound it's just that 1 violin can be much louder then 1 tuba and an orchestra has 1 tuba and 20 bajillion violins.  I'm hoping that them using a live orchestra for the musical scores is also an indication of the Wii's Audio Prowless.   Unlike most of your modern guitar oriented music, no offense intended, orchestrated, vocal, and brass music, analog instruments in general for that fact, really show off the true properties of you're sound system and audio source.   I have a British Brass Band CD that is my favorite.  Every time I get new Equipment I listen to it to see how close it is to the life performance it was from, I was there.  Consistently when I've gotten better equipment I can hear more and more subtlies especially with the great Tuba solo it has, I like Tuba what can I say.  I just can't find that with Guns n' Roses or Areosmith, (can't spell today).  Also, if you can get your hands on it, listen to the DVD version of a CD you already know.  It's really nice.  Different game developers just don't get how the audio really does make a real impact.  

[Athrun Zala]

Arbok said everything I was gonna say about orchestra music

so, I'll add that you should (try to) listen these things...
- Metallica's S&M
- Any of the John Williams' soundtracks (prime example, the Star Wars theme )
- Any of the Gundam SEED/Gundam SEED Destiny OSTs (Seigi to Jiyuu form Gundam SEED OSTIII, Tachiagare! Okori Yo from Gundam SEED OSTIV, and Sakebi to Gekitetsu from Gundam SEED Destiny OSTIV are simply brilliant, as are the special Symphonic Suites made by the London Symphony Orchestra)
- Obviously, the Lord of the Rings soundtrack
- The Mai HiME and Mai Otome OSTs (Mezame from Mai HiME OSTI is excellent, as is Sei Otome no Inori from Mai Otome OSTII)
- and I couldn't end without mentioning the best song EVER, A Song of Storm and Fire, from Tsubasa Chronicle OSTI

those are prime examples of the diversity given by orchestra music, some really epic songs and such..

on a side note, the fact that the game uses this type of music is like "OMFG! rool:", and really shows that Nintendo is all out to make this game one of their greatest.....