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EasyCure · « **Reply #25 on:** May 09, 2006, 03:48:28 PM »

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^ Wario and Metroid WERE shown off, did you even watch the conference?

I only read about it. But from what I read and heard, the only showed off a video of them. What I meant is that I wanted them to shown off on stage, show off how the games worked with the controller in real time. I wanted a full blown presentation, not video.

And Rick, I was talking about it with a friend who was watching it live and he wasn't all that impressed either...

I just fail to see why the conference was so amazing considering the details talked about were pretty basic...

im not sure if anyone beat me to this but....

they DID show it off in real time. they did for Z:TP and a tennis game. the tennis game is the one that was the best only because it had Reggie, Iwata, Miyamoto and the dude that one the aol contest to be first to play Wii. it was great because it was so simple and you can tell. no nunchuck attachment, just the wiimote. two on two; even the aol contest winner, i think his name was Scott, got the hang of it and BEAT REGGIE (i think it was reggie he beat....yeah im pretty sure he was paired with miyamoto.....what an honor

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #26 on:** May 09, 2006, 04:50:30 PM »

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Though a lot of my enthusiasm is based on how much Sony is screwing up. The price is too high and the motion control is lame. MS is still a threat in my mind but to me I have no doubt that Sony will not be number one at the end of this gen. That's encouraging for Nintendo.

Plus the controller looks like it doesn't break gaming. I may not like it but it looks like I can work with it. There's still "gamer games" here. In fact I don't really see anything really non-gamer focused like Brain Age or Electroplankton.

well unless MS can get Traction in Japan, its not going to be a threat, i can see the Xboxx edging out the Wii in NA and Europe, but in Japan it'll be all Wii.

I hope they get some more "non-gamer" games onto the Wii soon, but i'm also glad they've got the gamer games as well, seriously I can see the Wii achieving all of Ninty's goals this gen,and even if it doesn't the games look killer, even the graphics were great as far as i'm concerned.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #27 on:** May 09, 2006, 05:12:51 PM »

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I'm not sold on the blue ocean strategy and I'm not sold on the controller. But I'm still quite impressed. I don't see the lineup as something that is necessarily going to bring non-gamers in but it looks like a lineup that gamers will be interested in. That's all I care about anyway. Even if the Wii was a "normal" console and these games were controlled by a normal controller, this lineup would get people talking. It's FAR better than the initial Cube E3 lineup. There's big games like Metroid and Mario and there's new ideas and there's this cool mature third party game. It's a solid bunch of games. Plus the third party support is encouraging. Square is on board and EA is actually making an original Madden game and all these third parties that weren't very Nintendo-friendly before are on board. There is concern about Capcom and Namco though, which seem to have disappeared despite being Cube supporters.

Though I'm guessing you've already seen, Namco has a huge amount of Wii games coming and Capcom has a Resident Evil game. I was hoping for more from Capcom, but at least they are showing support.

Caliban · « **Reply #28 on:** May 09, 2006, 08:25:41 PM »

Hey Rick is it possible that AQ Interactive is doing a Wii Punchout game with Nintendo's consent? http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149746.html If you scroll down it mentions the company and type of game but no title for it

wandering · « **Reply #29 on:** May 09, 2006, 08:30:42 PM »

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I'm not sold on the blue ocean strategy and I'm not sold on the controller. But I'm still quite impressed.

Ian's on board? Yay!

jasonditz · « **Reply #30 on:** May 09, 2006, 08:40:13 PM »

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I'm not sold on the blue ocean strategy and I'm not sold on the controller. But I'm still quite impressed.

Ian's on board? Yay!

Ian's no hypocrite. They gave him pretty much everything he's asked for, right down to 2 original first party IPs aimed at gamers. Hell... they even managed to make the multisport party title without trying to shoehorn a Mario franchise onto it.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #31 on:** May 09, 2006, 08:59:51 PM »

Actually the guy at IGN, bozon, was compalining that Wii sports doesn't have Mario

31 Flavas · « **Reply #32 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:51:19 AM »

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I dont take anything back, the remote is awesome, I knew it then and I know it now and the games will be fantastic, the name still sucks.

Wii! Oui! We! Wee-Wee! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

mantidor · « **Reply #33 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:56:31 AM »

you are evil

18 Days · « **Reply #34 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:57:22 AM »

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I think we're past "games" now. I think we're quickly approaching an era of "experiential play", and Nintendo is going to be the pioneer. All of a sudden, the Blue Ocean Strategy makes sense. Nintendo just went and moved from being a games company and did it in a way that hardly anyone noticed until it was too late. Strangely, it works. I always told people that asked "why do you play games", that I did it for the experiences rather than to simply waste time. I (and I think many of you) keyed into that on a visceral level that we were only vaguely aware of. Nintendo has simply managed to lock onto it in a more tangible form, and then realized it./q]

if you notice Wii's page at Nintendo's site. They don't call the game "games" it's "software." It's like they're creating a multimedia device.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #35 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:09:50 AM »

"Though I'm guessing you've already seen, Namco has a huge amount of Wii games coming and Capcom has a Resident Evil game. I was hoping for more from Capcom, but at least they are showing support."

Yeah I've seen them. When I commented that wasn't known yet. So now I feel more confident.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #36 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:09:51 AM »

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you are evil

Oh comon, its not that bad. It's a fun name even. And it's so pliable. Wii-mote. E Thr-wii. Wii <3 Katamari. etc...

mantidor · « **Reply #37 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:17:26 AM »

Talking about katamari what would that guy say now that their beloved sony is going to use gyroscopes as well?

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #38 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:22:29 AM »

He'd probably call it an amazing innovation in control and perfect for future games

BigJim · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:00:50 AM »

I might as well glom onto this topic... it's as good as any other.

Nintendo's conference seemed to be all about leaving impressions and not really answering too many other questions. Virtual Console? Date? Price? Shell? Those things are more or less predictable, but nonetheless I'm in the group that wanted more data.

I've grown frustrated over the last 2 years. Years of teasing, promises of greatness while simulaneously floundering with the GameCube. Dragging us along in the promise of going online. Dumb mistakes. All the talk of non-gamers. etc. I was losing a lot of faith in Nintendo to execute. I had no reason to believe in their controller and ideals. The Cube was a 3-year system for me. Star Fox Assault is the last game I bought for it.

Nintendo said the other systems were exclusionary... and it's true. The MS conference was all about intense visuals and first person shooters (except for Viva Pinata). Sony was a little better in diversity, but was also about the mature visuals. The problem is GameCube is also an exclusionary system. They excluded the hardcore gamers that want the types of games found on those other systems. It was all about the "safe games" and IPs from the start.

While Nintendo's conference didn't offer up a lot of facts, what I saw was the sleeping giant starting to wake up. Attracting non-gamers with GAMES that just happen to be accessible and unintimidating. Reviving Mario and Zelda to what (I think) they should be. New IPs, especially HAMMER and Disaster that I can probably get into. FINALLY, mature games from the start and not this "token game" BS... hopefully.

The Wii name still sucks, but I don't even care anymore. If they sustain this kind of lineup (from casual to hardcore) throughout the life of the system, keep them coming regularly, and don't fall into another hybernation 2 years in, Wii will rock.

obscureownership · « **Reply #40 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:05:20 AM »

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funny - I was actually thinking there weren't many (any?) non-gamer games. I guess the sports games and maybe wario ware? But in general, these games seemed to have the same marketing target as the cube games did. Maybe we'll see cooking/conducting stuff come out later, maybe as side games.

My guess would be they don't want to target non-gamers at first, but rather, establish a core audience to get a consistant feed of money until they can come up with good appealing ideas for grandparents.

RickPowers · « **Reply #41 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:14:38 AM »

I suspect that more than a few Wii titles will be released through the Virtual Console. The games are simple enough where they shouldn't take long to download, and when you think about it, you don't want to have to keep sending Joe Gamer to the store to get his next Wii fix. It does make the 512MB memory size kind of a puzzlement, though.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #42 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:17:41 AM »

"My guess would be they don't want to target non-gamers at first, but rather, establish a core audience to get a consistant feed of money until they can come up with good appealing ideas for grandparents."

Maybe they feel that their method on the DS was too segregating. The DS hasn't sold nearly as well in the US as it has in Japan and I think that's because the non-gamer strategy worked in Japan but not here. So maybe their plan is to make gamer games that can also appeal to non-gamers. That's a much safer strategy because if non-gamers don't bite it's okay because traditional gamers will still buy it. Aside from this Wii lineup I've noticed that this year's DS showing seems much more "gamer focused" then before. On the DS initially it was like "okay these are non-games and these are games and the non-games are of no interest to gamers". But over the last while the DS lineup has improved tremendously and judging by this E3 showing that trend is going to continue.

So I think Nintendo has possibly tweaked their plan a bit. Instead of making very non-gamer focused content that gamers aren't really going to be interested in they're making games that gamers will want to play, but because of the remote will also attract non-gamers.

IceCold · « **Reply #43 on:** May 10, 2006, 03:37:34 PM »

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Talking about katamari what would that guy say now that their beloved sony is going to use gyroscopes as well?

Yeah, I really want to know this.. although he'll probably say that Sony is brilliant because they're not focusing on the controls too much and all the regular buttons are there.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #44 on:** May 10, 2006, 03:52:54 PM »

I went into the conference feeling optimistic that Ninty was doing the right thing and came out the same way...

I'm actually interested in 3rd party launch titles for the first time ever, I'm loving what has been done to Mario, and I'm even interested in genres I usually dislike, like golf and football...

trip1eX · « **Reply #45 on:** May 10, 2006, 04:12:44 PM »

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Maybe they feel that their method on the DS was too segregating. The DS hasn't sold nearly as well in the US as it has in Japan and I think that's because the non-gamer strategy worked in Japan but not here.

That's true to some extent, but as Miyamoto said the US doesn't have half the non-gamers titles yet that Japan has. It's taking awhile to localize them for this market. Nintendo also said Brain Age has sold 100,000 copies in 3 weeks which is a faster rate than in Japan. Last the DS Lite has proved even more popular in Japan and some of that should translate over here.

cubist · « **Reply #46 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:10:45 PM »

Let me bring this thread back for all the doubters...

I take it all back...Super Smash Bros Brawl...nuff said.

thejeek · « **Reply #47 on:** May 10, 2006, 11:16:32 PM »

So far I've been totally sold on everything we've seen from Nintendo at E3 so far. The doubt and skeptisism I previously felt has largely evaporated - in particular people seem to be reporting that aiming + looking both on the revmote works OK and the graphics seem to be a noticable improvement on the GC.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #48 on:** May 11, 2006, 12:03:39 AM »

Nintendo's conference got me excited, but it's been the stuff I've read about since, the impressions and the games they held back for Lord knows why, that have completely convinced me that I may only own a Wii for a very long while. I may be looking through rose-tinted goggles here, but I feel like we've got the Nintendo back that we've been pining for since the N64 generation. All these wonderful Wii games and the unstoppable hit-machine that is the Nintendo DS (I actually forgot for a while that Metroid Dread was a no-show), I feel like it's TOO MUCH. A shocking feeling after feeling bored with my GameCube for the last year.

I tried not to, but I counted down every to E3 for 28 days this year. The longer I don't know the Wii's launch date, the better, because that countdown will be PAINFUL.

wandering · « **Reply #49 on:** May 11, 2006, 12:13:15 AM »

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Maybe they feel that their method on the DS was too segregating. The DS hasn't sold nearly as well in the US as it has in Japan and I think that's because the non-gamer strategy worked in Japan but not here. So maybe their plan is to make gamer games that can also appeal to non-gamers. That's a much safer strategy because if non-gamers don't bite it's okay because traditional gamers will still buy it. Aside from this Wii lineup I've noticed that this year's DS showing seems much more "gamer focused" then before. On the DS initially it was like "okay these are non-games and these are games and the non-games are of no interest to gamers". But over the last while the DS lineup has improved tremendously and judging by this E3 showing that trend is going to continue.

So I think Nintendo has possibly tweaked their plan a bit. Instead of making very non-gamer focused content that gamers aren't really going to be interested in they're making games that gamers will want to play, but because of the remote will also attract non-gamers.

My guess is that the game lineup has been getting better and more gamer friendly because, well, great games like Star Fox DS and Phantom Hourglass take time to develop...and non-gamer games don't.

Nintendo is making a killing on Nintendogs and Brain Training/Age, though, so I wouldn't expect them to stop making games like that anytime soon. But I'm glad the silly notion that non-gamer games (which can be produced cheaply and with tiny dev teams) would somehow hurt Nintendo's "real" games, has finally been put to rest.

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