Topic: To buy or not to buy?

[Mario]

^ You can't be serious...

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Game Lineup: I've said it before but if the lineup is anything like Nintendo's strategy with GameCube in the last 2 years, they can keep it. I haven't gotten anything since Star Fox Assault and won't until Zelda.

THE KILLAH SEVEN CREW AND DK ARE COMING TO PUNCH YA IN THE GOB

Anyway... i'm buying one cause it's going to have Nintendo games. Unless something stupid happens like it's insanely expensive, has a major defect, or I go blind, i'm going to need to own one to enjoy the new Wario Ware and Super Smash Bros.

[MaryJane]

There seem to be two issues here:
Graphics, and games

Graphics: I do want impressive visuals. Everyone does. You can say graphics aren't important, but in they are in one regard. Immediate wow factor. That first scene when you turn on your game. Whether it be cg or an anime cut scene like in Tales of Symphonia, that first scene should make you go, YES, this looks great. Graphics to me, are like boobs on a girl. They don't have to be big, but it's nice when they are. I could date a girl with small/no boobs, but i'd sure as hell hope her personality makes up for it. (replace big with top notch graphics, date a girl with play a system, small/no with substatantially weaker graphics than the competition, and personality with games)

Games: I'm starting to think the reason we haven't seen any games is that the last secret has a direct effect on either the way the games look, or how they play. I'm leaning more towards how they look because, if it was how they played, all they'd have to do is use pre-rendered movies to show off the games (like the ps3 and killzone, although it would be awesome if those were real gametime graphics). So I don't know, maybe they just want to shock the sh!t out of us at E3 but it makes you wonder. Or maybe the games are so much less visually impressive they don't want us to see them until we get the controller in our(the media and lucky punks at e3) hands so the graphics are forgotten. who knows... all I know is without any major flaws in the system, gameplay, and game lineup I am going to be one of the first online to buy one of these bad boys.

[Spak-Spang]

Right now I am going to buy the Revolution as soon as I can.  

Things that could change my mind are few.

1)Cost of the machine.  I already am not going to buy Xbox360 or PS3 because they are too expensive and I can't afford it at this time.  The Revolution is the same thing.  I can't drop $400.00 on a system and then still have to buy games.

2)Cost of downloaded games.  One reason I am purchasing this system is to collect all my favorite old games on to a single system.  This is the one system coming out that I do not intend to sell or trade in after I have bought it.  The reason is the virtual console system.  However, if Nintendo makes the virtual system a subscribtion service or charges too much per games, I may pass.  Or at least not buy as many games.

Those are the only two issues I have with the Revolution.

The controller to me is exciting, and I don't believe it will be a sparkling innovation...I believe it will add massive depth to games not take away depth.  And even if a developer can't figure out what to do with the new controller the controller shell is still an option.

I am not worried about traditional games though.  I have played traditional games and I am bored with them.  Or rather I have played traditional first person games, and 3D games and I am bored with them.  The classic 2D game designs and formulas still impress me and interest me today.

[animecyberrat]

In resposne to BIG JIm, so far theres three reasons I will buy it day one no matter what the launch games play or look like, first reason I have owned every single Nintendo console even the remakes that they have ever made and will want this one based on the fact it is Nintendo and will have games I want.


Second is because I have never owned a major new console right at laucnh because I have always been poor, but now that I have money I can afford to get one day one and want to finaly be abel to say I bought the latest video game sytem brand new. Third regardless of what the new games are like it will still play my favorite GC games, as I will likey get TP I will surely be playing it on my REV also, and on that same note it will let me downlaod and play my favorite NES games, snes games, tg16 games (a major bonus) N64 games and now they announced Genesis games the Sega fan in me is drooling with anticipation.


I want the Rev for the same reason why I got a Mini Genesis PLug n play even though I have all those game son a  real Genesis, for the same reason I got a atari flashback event houghI have an original atari, I got a Pong Plug N Play even though I have an original Pong, its about getting all those old games right there in one spot and being able to revisit my child hood memories (the good ones) and forget about all the BS I have to deal with day to day.  



Its also the same reason why I collect Transformers action figures. Its for the nastalgia. When you grow up and move out and geta  job and start paying bills and realise your life isnt going how you expected it, you need something to take your mind off of that and remember when things was better.


Its funny how our minds work like that too, My childhood sucked, we were poor, we moved a lot and I never had friends, I as beaten up at school, I was a 'trouble maker' and had to spend hours a week with school and professional councilors because of that, . We didnt get our first NES untill AFTER SNES came out and we only got 1 game a year until N64 cameout. Dad was an alcoholic and mom was always forcing us to goto church and our crazy older sister would torture us for entertainment, so logicaly I shouldnt want to remeber those days, but for some reason when i sit down and play Super Mario Bros or Duck Hunt, all I think about was what iw as thinking the first time I played it and I start to see the good that was in my life instead of the bad. So for me the Rev is all about Virtual Console.

Even my GC collection is primarily Midways Arcade Treasures, Namco Museums, Mega MAn collections, Zelda Collectors Disk, Sonic Collections and games that look and play like those old games. I have never been one to give up the games i grew up on for anything that isnt up to that quality. I play a lot of other games and my best childhood memeroies revolve aroudn Mortal Kombat and I have alwasy beena  huge fan of that so Mk is a realdeciding factor for me also, if theres no MK when GC had a few, I will be pissed to no end and will not forgive Nintendo for losing my absolute favorite game series.


So I will be getting a rev at laucnh but how long Ican go before getting a 360 and making it my primary console is still up to nintendo, I held out until last year befroe getting a regular xbox, but I almost went out and got a 360 yester day just cuz GC has not done anythign for me for so long.

[Strell]

I will buy on launch day, barring something drastic.  I'm talking kidney cancer or something, not bs over graphics or something like that.

I am going to support the Rev 100%.  That is the only way we will ever see any kind of innovation or progression in this market, which is mired in results and me-too rip-offs.

I will be getting the Rev, 2-3 games, and multiple controllers.  I'm looking to have anywhere from 500-600 saved to drop on launch day.  Accessories might include Revmote charging stations, component cables, and game downloads.

It will be worth it.  

Please don't pretend you are a Nintendo fan if graphics are going to stop you from getting the Rev.  Or third party support.  You buy Nintendo for gameplay and their first party titles.  

I will support the Rev just like I've supported the DS - almost universally without question, hesitation, or pause.

[Ian Sane]

"Incidentally, I did NOT but a Virtual Boy. Why? Because it was a Gunpei Yokoi creation, not a Miyamoto one."

So I guess you didn't buy a Gameboy for the same reason?

I thought of something else that would affect my purchase: Zelda.  Zelda's my favourite game series.  When I'm older and married and have kids and don't really have the time to keep up with gaming I can still see myself playing Zelda.  So regardless of what happens with the Rev once Zelda is released on it I'll probably buy it unless they totally rehaul Zelda into something I don't like.  Twilight Princess doesn't count here since I can play it on the Cube.  But once a Rev exclusive Zelda is made I'll probably get it even if I never buy another Rev game.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: Ian SaneSo I guess you didn't buy a Gameboy for the same reason?

True, in retrospect. I was NEVER interested in the GameBoy until Pokemon came out, and even then that was the only GB game I had. I loved reading about it, I loved reading the Metroid II walk-throughs in my old Nintendo Power, but that's were it ended.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[iMoron]

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About the whole graphics thing. It'll obviously look better than GameCube, it WILL look better than Xbox. The specs don't blow me away but the end result will be just about what was expected. Really good-looking SD games. Not much more power is necessary on an SD platform anymore. My concern is more about Nintendo's art style with many of their characters -- The low-resolution, low-polygon characters just don't impress or push the limits. But the hardware itself can push poly's fine.

NO it is not SD (Standart Definition, 480i)... The Revolution WILL display at ED (Enhance Definition, 480p)... Unless all you have is an SDTV, but considering the cost of an EDTV set, upgrading to one would be far easier and apropiate for the next few years untill HDTV standarices itself and becomes more afortable... By then Nintendo will be releasing their NEXT system...

The diference is noticeble betwing SD and ED... Thoug EDTV can display an HD signal...

Besides... EDTV can LOOK just as nice as HDTV in some cases:

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Theoretically, higher resolution plasma TVs should always look better with an HD signal, but with video picture signals - signal processing, interpolation, conversion and contrast(i.e., how an image is displayed) has more to do with picture quality than resolution does.

Case In Point: At past Consumer Electronics Shows (2001 and 2002), manufacturers would stage "plasma shoot outs", often pitting earlier-generation HD sets against ED ones. The outcome? A Panasonic 853X480 plasma beat several other manufacturers with higher resolutions (1024X768 or 1024X1024) even with an HD signal displayed. Contrast, video processing, and conversion have much to do with plasma technology.

Besides... HD is, in my opinion, not yet standart for me to fork out big bucks for a set that will display less than half of the bradcast... and with so many variant high resolutions things get confusive for the costumer... And Then there are this facts to consider:

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   (1) DVD material may look better on an a good brand of EDTV 853 X 480 than it would on a third tier brand in a 1024X768 resolution. At DVD quality resolution, the image output quality depends more upon the manufacturer than it does the resolution.

   (2) 80% of the content available to viewers -- whether on TV or on DVD -- is NOT high definition. However, this story is changing.

   (3) If deliberating between a 1st tier EDTV resolution plasma purchase compared with a 1st tier HDTV plasma resolution purchase, consider that you will likely get around a 20% bump in picture quality with the HD unit when watching a good incoming HD signal. An EDTV plasma can display and HD signal, but only at its native pixel resolution after down conversion.

   (4) The manufacturer quality should be of more concern than the resolution of the plasma display. Purchasing a plasma from a quality manufacturer can make the biggest difference of all. I would rather have an EDTV 853X480 plasma TV from Sony, Panasonic or Pioneer than an 1024X768 HDTV plasma from lesser Taiwanese, or Korean manufacturers even for the same cost.

I will buy it... and and EDTV when I get the chance...

What I want to know about are the games themselves... But I won't let pas the oportunity to play past consoles games... and talk about systems when there will be Sega's and even posibly other consoles... I know Nintendo won't desapoint...

And... ports can/are a doble edge suord, even for the other consoles... I don't want ports of games that are crapy from the start on its debuting console... ...and I think some know waht I mean...

[antman100]

If you think getting a HDTV is fool-hardy, that's fine, but I wouldn't rely too much on two-year-old information.  HD sets cost as much now as a comparable ED set cost in 2004.

[iMoron]

And ED sets cost even less now than then!

[BigJim]

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NO it is not SD (Standart Definition, 480i)... The Revolution WILL display at ED (Enhance Definition, 480p)... Unless all you have is an SDTV, but considering the cost of an EDTV set, upgrading to one would be far easier and apropiate for the next few years untill HDTV standarices itself and becomes more afortable... By then Nintendo will be releasing their NEXT system...

Nitpicking. By "SD" I meant "not HD". I'm aware of the pros and cons and differences.

[MaryJane]

LoL.
I just found out I have an ED t.v. You'd think it would said so on the box... nope hidden in the manual which I didn't read until I saw my t.v listed as an ED t.v. Hooray for beer. Funny thing is my t.v also has a special connection specifically made for the Xbox. too bad I don't own one, it's supposed to make the games look great.

Vive la Revolution!

Oh one question for the peeps who are technically knowledgeable.
Does having component video mean your t.v is progressive scan capable?
Cuz my buddy my buddy my buddy my buddy, my buddy and me! No but really, a friend has component video connection but his t.v wasn't listed as ED. just curious.

[BigJim]

If the TV is relatively new (under 10 years), then the component input supports progressive scan. I got a TV about 5 years ago with PS to use for GameCube.

ED isn't always mentioned. It's a term that's half heartedly used to mean some sort of "middle" between SD and HD, which mostly only confuses people. heh.  

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Component Video connections do not guarantee progressive scan compatibility.  At the very least, it will provide the cleanest inexpensive 480i picture available to consumers.

Consult the TV manual for p.scan specifics or test it using a game console's p.scan output (does the game tell you p.scan is enabled or not).

[RiskyChris]

The only thing stopping me from a revolution at this point:

1) Awful, awful reviews of the controller post-E3 (I'm talking functionality of the super scope accuracy) combined with ridiculously priced VC games or no good launch title.

2)...
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That's about it.  Barring a price increase of the revolution past $500, there's nothing keeping me from purchase on launch day.

[Nosferat2]

Please don't pretend you are a Nintendo fan if graphics are going to stop you from getting the Rev.  Or third party support.  You buy Nintendo for gameplay and their first party titles.  

No offense but that is utterly rediculous. I, as well as others, buy nintendo because of best overall quality. Graphics and third party support has historically been a part of Nintendo's huge success. The NES was # 1 because the graphics were a huge leap from Atari. Further, its had every third party on its side. Granted First party titles played a substantial role. But to call someone a nonNintendo fan because he/she like graphics and 3rd partys simply wrong.
Look at the SNES. The graphics were phenominal. I didnt even give Sega a chance because the SNES looked so good. The GC had super graphics. The damn thing produced graphics just as good and at times better than the technically more powerful xbox!

Sony and Xbox followed Nintendos Model. Graphics and third party support. So in fact, the REV will be the FIRST time Nintendo will be on the bottom of the graphics totem pole. NO Nintendo fan is going to be used to that. The controller will alienate or at least limit third party support and ports. NO Nintendo fan is used to that.  The only First Party games that truely matter for Nintendos console are Zelda, Mario and Co and Metroid. If anyone thinks Nintendo could have Survived simply on those three franchises alone needs to put the crack pipe down.

Im loyal to Nintendo because of its OVERALL quality (including reliability), great graphics, and great games, both 1st, 2nd and 3rd party.
If you dont care that Nintendos "Next Gen" console will only produce Xbox quality graphics then your are not a smart consumer. In that case all Nintendo has to do is make the controller as a peripheral to the GC, not a different console. Im confident Nintendo will deliver on graphics though so im not worried. But if they dont blow me away like every last one of Nintendos consoles did then I will be very disappointed. Im sure i wont be the only one.

[Rhoq]

Let's compare the Revolution to the DS...

DS owners, even though the system's graphical capabilities are roughly that of an N64 are you enjoying your DS any less?

I'm sure the majority of DS owners will say "No". Why? Because of the unique gameplay experience you have with the system due to it's touchscreen interface and built-in microphone. New types of gaming experiences are what makes the DS an amazing little system.

Sure many like to compare the DS to the PSP. While it's an unfair comparision because the 2 systems are very different, it's a fact the technology-wise, the PS2 is superioir to the DS in just about every way. However, the technology is costlier and at the end of the day doesn't offer anything new to your "on-the-go" gaming experience, aside from current generation console graphics.

The DS is much more affordable. Sure it uses older graphics technology, but that is what allows Nintendo to sell the system for $129.99 US. It's very capable of delivering some very pretty, nearly current generation visuals.

Expect the Revolution to follow suit. The graphics won't be as powerful as the "competition", but it's the unique control interface which will make the system a must-own "next-gen" console. After, it's the games which are most important. The controller opens up the possibility of introducing new ways to play and interact with your games - just like the DS has been doing for the last year and a half.

[Ian Sane]

The DS is a huge jump up from the GBA.  And portable gaming has always been behind consoles.  The GBC and GBA both were ridiculously out of date by console standards.  The original Gameboy didn't even have colour!  But it didn't matter because any technology related thrill in portable gaming is more of a "I can't believe I'm playing a game that looks this good on a portable!"  The DS even without the extra features would still be quite popular.

So you can't really compare it to the Rev.  It's not so much what the difference between the Rev and the other consoles are.  It's more of how big the graphical jump from Cube to Rev is.

This is about what would make you buy or not buy the Rev.  If that's your reason, fine.  It's your purchase.  To me the issue is more about what sort of games won't be available because the hardware can't handle them.  That's a bigger deal to me.

[Strell]

Comparing the SNES to any Nintendo system after it destroys your argument.  No system after the SNES has had the same kind of 3rd party support.

Of all the games I own for the DS, N64, and Gamecube, the overwhelming majority are first party Nintendo titles OR games based on Nintendo franchises, but developed by another company altogether (F-Zero GX, etc).  Maybe we still were getting every new Final Fantasy title, sequels to Chrono Trigger, comparable FPS and fighter games, and a trove of sports titles, then the score would be even.  But it isn't.  We don't get Kingdom Hearts, of all the f*cking games to not get.

The fact is simply that you don't buy a Nintendo system for non-Nintendo games.  You don't, period.  (The Gameboy doesn't count.)

Graphics shouldn't matter.  This is the same argument Nintendo fans have used for years.  Yet we get some supposed specs from some guy who is hardly connected to the game industry, and suddenly graphics are a huge debate.  All the times we defend the "tiku tiku tiku! " graphics with "everyone" graphics, all the times we talked about the GC not being "omfg 6 million vs 500 million ps2 roflamfafaofalfa," and every other instance where we pointed out "it's the gameplay that matters."  All of that overturned in a week.

If you can't spell hypocritical, I just did, maybe you ought to look it up.

Furthermore, I highly doubt the graphics will be much different between the systems.  We get conflicting "reports" from "insiders" all over the place saying the 360 trumps the PS3, that the PS3 trumps the 360, that neither are that big leaps in graphics, that the Rev is comparable, etc etc etc.  So we have almost nothing to go on.  That said, I trust Nintendo isn't stupid enough to release a system that isn't comparable.  DS vs PSP and PS2 versus GC/Xbox arguments aside, graphics are almost completely worthless to debate, and if it stops you from getting the Rev, you are not a Nintendo fan.  Period.

It won't be Xbox quality.  That argument has been going on for 2 weeks now and I'm already tired of it.  People need to wake up.

If you're a pansy and you need big graphics, then get a PS3 or a 360.  I'll be having fun on my Rev without you and not caring.  

[MaryJane]

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The controller will alienate or at least limit third party support and ports.

Ports yes, support no. As long as the fanbase is large enough nothing stands in the way of support. Also all the developers have so far sang nothing but praise about the controller and system.

You have to compare the DS to Rev, they are both built on the same philosophy, and similar control schemes. I firmly believe that if the DS had flopped we'd be getting a different console from Nintendo.

Don't worry about the Rev's graphics. How many games on the Xbox can compare to RE 4? That game was gorgeous, and I didn't even play it in 480p although now i feel pretty stupid knowing that I could have. The Rev won't be able to stand up next to a ps3 or 360 on an HD set, but the graphics will be next-gen enough to keep us happy. Count on it.

Nintendo knows they have a hill to climb, and I don't think they'd try to climb it standing on only one leg, or in this case the controller. Graphics are a must, even if they aren't the strongest of the 3.  

[Rhoq]

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The DS is a huge jump up from the GBA.  And portable gaming has always been behind consoles.  The GBC and GBA both were ridiculously out of date by console standards.  The original Gameboy didn't even have colour!  But it didn't matter because any technology related thrill in portable gaming is more of a "I can't believe I'm playing a game that looks this good on a portable!"  The DS even without the extra features would still be quite popular.

So you can't really compare it to the Rev.  It's not so much what the difference between the Rev and the other consoles are.  It's more of how big the graphical jump from Cube to Rev is.

This is about what would make you buy or not buy the Rev.  If that's your reason, fine.  It's your purchase.  To me the issue is more about what sort of games won't be available because the hardware can't handle them.  That's a bigger deal to me.

Ian, I hear you. What I was trying to stress, is that the similarities between the DS and the Revolution will be how the player interacts with the games, due to it's unique control interface. The leap between the current-gen graphics and next-gen graphics isn't all that monumental when compared to the N64/PS1 era to the current PS2/XboX/GameCube generation. While the DS' graphics capabilities are a huge step forward, when comparing it to the GBA, it's still "out-dated" technology, since it is really nothing more than last-generation. This has not hindered DS sales at all, even though a more powerful handheld (PSP) is available. It's all about the games.

Currently the DS has a much better selection of must-own titles in it's library. On top of all of that, most of these games are only possible on the Nintendo DS due to it's touchscreen control. It allows gamers to interact with their games in way never before seen on a handheld. The Revolution controller will be offering a similar, but vastly expanded, experience on a home console. Will it be underpowered, when compared to next-gen offerings from Microsoft and Sony? More than likely, yes. Will it matter? Probably not.

The DS has already established itself. It's a very popular system despite it's graphics shortcoming. People understand that it's all about the games, and the unique experiences they can only have while playing on a DS. I believe the same will prove to be true with the Revolution. BUT - unless you are a complete and total Nintendo fanboy/loyalist, I also think it will be essential to own one of the other systems if you expect to have a well-rounded next-gen game collection. Nintendo's "2nd console" strategy may prove to be a success.  

[IceCold]

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So you can't really compare it to the Rev.  It's not so much what the difference between the Rev and the other consoles are.  It's more of how big the graphical jump from Cube to Rev is.

Plateau.

Even though the jump from the GBA to the DS is more than from the Cube to the Revolution, the difference in visuals between, say, the PS3 and the Revolution will be MUCH less noticeable than the difference between the PSP and the DS.

When I put in Smash Bros, and then I play SSBM, I can notice a huge difference. It's much, much better graphically. You just can't get that much of a jump from this gen to next gen. The 360 and PS3 aren't doing it, however many lines of resolution they have.

[animecyberrat]

>>Please don't pretend you are a Nintendo fan if graphics are going to stop you from getting the Rev. Or third party support. You buy Nintendo for gameplay and their first party titles. <<






Thats a load of BS



I have never boaght a Nintendo system based entirelyu on Nintendos own games, if they dotn have enough to offer I am not going to get their system. I ama  major fan of more than just Nintendos own games, and I stuck with GC thsi gen but you knows soemthign I only have 5 1st party games and 1 of them is a collection of older games and another one is a A Mario Party game, so dont tell me what I buy a GAME system for (no matter whomakes it)


YES I bought a GC because the games were impresive graphicaly as well as fun, but it took a couple years to get enough games for me to get one, since I was still palying so many ps1 and n64 games.


I have over 30 games for my GC also and if you saw my collection you would crap yoru pants, cuz they arent the typical Nintendo type of games either.

Now GC had JUST ENOUGH to keepp me content but I still had to get an xbox anyways to get all the games I was missing out on. IF Revolution cant remedy that then theres achance Iw ill have to abandon it. I will be getitng one JUST CUZ of the Virtual Console but I expect there might be one or two games at launch that will interest me. BUT if after the launch I start seeing all the kinds of games i want get skipped on Rev and goto 360 then I will be getting a 360, I am already wanting one because of a couple games, and YES grpahics play a huge part in that for me.

DO NOT act like your know what a 'true' Nintendo fan is or likes because YOU DONT KNOW S*@

It severly p#*& me off when jack offs like you state their opinons as facts and act liek they know every thing about everybody. Maybe your a blind Nintehndo fanboy who buys every system and game they make, but theres a lot of peoipel who could care less about them as a company who buy thier systems based on other factors.


I never said getting a rev will be based entirely on Graphics as I expect they will at leaast be better than this gen, but IF the graphics are inferior enough that a game iw ant to play doesnt make it to the rev based  on that alone I will have to reconsider making it my primary console. Now inferior graphics can be a major issue or if its liek ps2 to GC was than it wont matter much, but still even as good as SOME games look (only a handfull mind you) theres still alot of games that could look better. GC is not even close to platue as some woudl say, hell the Xbox had several games that dwarfed it, also there so many areahs it could improve I wont even waste my time listing them all.  




And dont nobody reply with a calm down cuz I am not goonna let some crack head tell me what games I should buy and act liek he knwos anything about me.

[Strell]

Wow, people in here are completely delusional.

AND fail reading comprehension.

It's a buy one get one free deal here.

[antman100]

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If you're a pansy and you need big graphics, then get a PS3 or a 360.

Doesn't anybody else think this is the most hilarious and ridiculous thing they've read in a while?

Nintendo should be thanking the loyalists who are going to purchase the Revo, no questions asked.  They will need your support.  This reminds me of the fervor I used to see in the Apple forums.