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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2006, 12:33:30 PM »
"We're going to know who will be first, second, and third (or roughly tied) 2-3 years in. At that point, the inclusion of HD isn't going to compel most swing voters to go one way or another."

Yeah but at that point pretty much nothing is going to swing people one way or another.  Once people think a console is going to "lose" they don't buy it.  It's not like people are going to be totally oblivious to HD prior to getting an HDTV.  Some people will but the types that have the kind of money to buy consoles won't.  If you ever walk into stores like Best Buy you know of HD.  It's a buzzword that's thrown on everything to do with TVs.  You have to be the type of person still using VHS tapes to not have at least heard of it.  So to someone buying a console, even if they don't have HD, the ability to potentially use it someday is going to have some affect on their decision.  Basically there's a feature that Sony and MS have and Nintendo doesn't and at first glance that makes the Rev look inferior.  Nintendo's been playing catch-up for two generations now so it doesn't look good if they're still behind with the times.

I'll admit that it's not nearly as big of an oversight as cartridges or no online for the Cube.  If Nintendo is going to continue to make oversights regarding future technology they might as well make them less significant each time.  It might not even matter if Nintendo is really competent in the more important areas.  But I think Nintendo has to make a really good impression and it just looks bad if their chronic problem of playing catch up is STILL an issue.  Nintendo's got to prove their detractors wrong and an ideal way to do that is to not give people the SAME ammunition to use against them every time.  People thought Nintendo made childish games on the N64.  So Nintendo turns Zelda into a cartoon after showing a trailer that made Zelda look incredibly cool.  Yeah that really helped the k!ddy issue.  It's really OBVIOUS stuff like that that always hurts them.  So if detractors use Nintendo's inability to match features as an excuse to rag on them why is one of the first pieces of news regarding the Rev about a feature being cut?

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RE:New Reggie Interview
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2006, 01:02:18 PM »
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Any Nintendo fan knows that when Nintendo does that sort of things it's secret code for "yes that negative rumour is true".

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When the Cube was annouced I was incredibly optimistic about it. I'm not with the Rev. I don't have that confidence. So that to me suggest things didn't improve. That's everything. Nintendo has improved a few things but those a minor compared to that. If I'm more concerned over Nintendo's future now then I was then then I can't say things are better now.

Well, I'm sort of the opposite. Not that I wasn't optimisitc about the cube... I was, especially after Sony and Ms made so many mistakes (PS2 with a weak launch, graphics that didn't look better than the dreamcast for a long while, and an ugly case. Xbox with it's ridiculously huge case and lack of games.) But there was never any strong reason for the cube to succeed: it fixed the mistakes of the previous gen, but didn't offer much of anything over the competition. ..Well, apart from a giant green A button and the color purple.

This time around though, Nintendo is coming out with a console that has 'mainstream ipod-like mega-hit' written all over it.

But then, if you list the rev's 'weird controller' as one of the rev's faults instead of a huge, possibly competition-crushing strength, then I guess you wouldn't agree with that, would you?

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They're still being secretive and saying weird stuff and downplaying things that most people consider positive features and making questionable decisions and acting like they're not competing. Well that's pretty much the same old Nintendo.

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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2006, 01:05:33 PM »
So the Revolution had High Definition and somebody CUT IT OUT of the console? Wow, I wanna know who did that.

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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2006, 01:32:14 PM »
I keep thinking that the major question for a Nintendo watcher, any Nintendo watcher, is this: the cartridges for the N64.

Sure, they lost the market because of em. But then again, those cartridges were deemed necessary by Miyamoto so that he could make the best games of that generation, and perhaps even of all time.

I can think of only three major ways for obervers to interpret this event:

1. Miyamoto was wrong, the cartridges were a pig-headed mistake and are indicative of Nintendo's persistance in making unnecessary destructive moves.

2. Miyamoto was justified, Nintendo has always stood for creating the best gaming experience that they envision and they were doing that with the N64. They lost the market leadership and third party support, but that's small potatoes to the thought of Mario 64 not existing in the world.

3. Miyamoto lied. When he later made a comment that Mario 64 would not be possible using CD technology of that day, he was completely off base.

I think the way a gamer views this shapes their relationship to Nintendo:

Viewpoint 1 implies that the observer is valuing market success over the game creator's vision.

Viewpoint 2 implies that it's ok if Nintendo is forever third place in the console war as long as they remain independent, free, financially viable, and capable of bringing videogames where they want to bring them, ala the analog stick, force feedback, satellite buttons and now the Revmote.

Viewpoint 3 implies that Miyamoto is the element that is holding Nintendo back. His push for no load times with the N64 was a selfish demand that was unnecessary and hurt Nintendo. (Compare: Miyamoto allowing his team to turn Windwaker over to Toon-shading, another creative decision that could be argued to be selfishly motivated and damaging to Nintendo as a whole)

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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2006, 02:38:33 PM »
If you had to wait 20 seconds to load every time you jumped through a painting, Mario 64 would still be the most important 3D game ever made, and the PS2 and PS3 might not have existed.
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RE:New Reggie Interview
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2006, 03:17:32 PM »
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Since this has ceased to be about anything productive and has devolved into Ian flaming, I'll say this: I'm always impressed with his forbearance and restraint in the face of constant rudeness. It would be nice if more people on the internet could manage that.



Hey I take offense with the above statement.  This thread was never productive.  

I guess it's just  sad the boy hangs out here all the while hating what's coming.  Wtf is that?  That's some sado-masochist sht man.  Hey I'll just hate this thing until it's released.   I guess I just feel sorry for him.  It's like being in a bad marriage.  Instead of leaving you just yell and bitch at each other all day every day too afraid to strike it on your own and find joy in something else.






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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2006, 04:34:34 PM »
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I'm personally a mix of 2 and 3. Make of that what you will.


So... you think he lied justifiably?

I do vaguely remember an interview with Miyamoto discussing CDs at the time, and it left the impression with me that he wanted to stick with carts because CDs were disruptive (not destructive) and just basically said "I'm used to carts." Funny how that comment is still with me. But he's also later said it was impossible. So, which to believe. There were 3D games on CDs in that era; I don't know why Mario 64 is a special case that would make it literally impossible. There would be loading, but PlayStation had loading too. So it would be a wash. Not to mention, the 64DD wouldn't have been a speed demon either. How was Ura Zelda possible without carts?

So I lean towards a mix of 1 and 3. I respect creative vision, but I think the comfort of carts was more prevalent in the decision. "We aren't making movies," he said in an interview. That sounds more like justification than creative vision.

Side topic: Speaking of interviews (I am digging them up to look back), Miyamoto often spoke candidly about his vision and how Mario 64 and Zelda 64 came about from concept to product. I don't recall Miyamoto ever explaining exactly where the vision for the Revmote came from. All we've heard is company PR, and not from Miyamoto himself. His brain has yet to be picked.
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RE:New Reggie Interview
« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2006, 07:07:52 PM »
Hehe. I'm willing to take him at face value when he says Mario 64 would be impossible because he's talking about his vision of how the game would be.

So I don't think he lied, I just think it never occured to him that Mario 64 might've been possible in the way he envisioned it if he had delayed the game for 3 years... but that suggestion brings up a whole slew of OTHER quandaries, lol.

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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2006, 10:37:50 PM »
The problem with Ian is that he just sees bad news, wheher the news is bad or not.

The prime example was the conference last year Nintendo held to announce a preponderance of new DS titles.  A Ridiculous amount really.  From third and first parties.  A New Tales game, A new Castlevania (which Ian likes, because it is a longcore hardtime traditional game for longcore hardtime traditional gamers), Almost exclusive Square Enix support (save for a movie or something), Several new games from Nintendo themselves,  all of which demonstrated a range of genre.  Good news period, no bad news, at all.

What did Ian do?  Bitched, at length, about Mario Basket 3v3.  One game out of Dozens.  He also bitched that it was a waste of Square Enix's talent upon learning it was in fact them doing it and not Nintendo.  One S-E game out of the Seven S-Enix games that S-E has planned or already released.  He bitched and bitched and bitched some more.  And frankly, at that point, even the mods couldn't take it anymore, including myself.

He hates Nintendo's failures yes, but it seems he hates their successes as well.  That they could even find a way to succeed with the DS without listening to his ideas must offend him to his core.  That the hot new thing in Japan is Brain Training and not something that he likes.  He laments their focus on "non-gamers" and passes summary judgement on said games without thinking.  He further laments Nintendo "milking" Mario as if it is something they have only been doing recently.  He also whines that nobody is original, when he refues to talk about or like original games, and treats every new game with scorn for not being "traditional."  He eschews that no DS game needs the touchscreen to exist, that it is not essential to any games concept, which is in the top ten stupid things I have heard this decade.  Not misguided, not misunderstood or mis-contexted.  Just stupid.

He has become a sad parody of himself.  The thing most of the forum feared he would.  In that, whenever there is news about Nintendo, any news whatsoever, good or bad, Ian will post and bitch about it, warranted or not.  His "devils advocate" scthick may be appealing to those uninitiated, but to anybody that has been here longer, he is just an old, tired "sparkling innovation," changing his stances and picking unwinnable arguments complete with gigantic multi-paragraphed  posts in damage control upon any layman's discovery and exposure of the simple and basic flaws in his argument.

Fun at first, thought-provoking seldom, annoying currently.  These are the traits of Ian Sane through years of careful examination.

P.S.  I do not mean to come down hard on Ian, however, this is a big problem, as he originally was quite prized in my view, as a sort of The_cubed_canuck without all the mental disease.  However, lately he has shown to act like him, almost word for word, and it pains me.  
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RE: New Reggie Interview
« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2006, 10:46:47 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2006, 12:03:27 AM »
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« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2006, 04:36:12 AM »
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« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2006, 05:27:23 AM »
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« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2006, 08:31:25 AM »
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« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2006, 08:37:46 AM »
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Calm down man.. he isn't even talking about you in this thread. And in that other thread, all he said was in good fun.. someone had already answered your question about if slang is allowed..  
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« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2006, 08:55:24 AM »
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« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2006, 03:42:17 PM »
no Its been a bad week I ben sick and all, I took it way serius cuz I am getting sick to death of peolpe complaining about my spelling and crap. I dont really care what infernal monkey thinks of me my attrcks were only aimed at him bvecause he continues to attack my spelling. thats all. and I only said my reply here cuz the fool was bashing Ian who I actual was defending.  
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« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2006, 04:57:32 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2006, 06:11:13 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2006, 07:37:33 PM »
You won't see me complain much because I just ignore badly written posts. Too much work to decipher that.

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« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2006, 11:29:50 PM »
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You won't see me complain much because I just ignore badly written posts. Too much work to decipher that.


Ya, all I see is words, words, words, words.
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