Topic: New Reggie Interview

[IceCold]

Yoshi's Touch 'n' Go? Come on. I'll give Nintendogs and Kirby credit but it's nothing that convinces me. My brother has Kirby and it's a lot of fun but it's not something that I would miss if it never existed yet I somehow knew about it.

1) Have you played Touch 'n Go? It's absolutely brilliant.. it was just a bit short since it was rushed, but if they had more time to add more to it, the reviews would have been much higher. The gameplay itself is just great..

2) ShyGuy and Bill are right; sure you wouldn't miss it if it never existed. Tell that to the people who have Kirby as their favourite game.. or Nintendogs, for that matter. Sure, you may not like them, but to state that they're unconvincing examples of how the touchscreen improves games is just wrong.

[Ian Sane]

"Short Memory Ian?"

I think it makes sense.  I don't think the touchscreen is essential.  For me personally there's not a game that you can point to that makes me think it's a big deal.

My opinion relates to my faith in Nintendo to deliver with the Rev.  I need to see something because connectivity was lame and I don't think the touchscreen is all that hot.  And I'm not the only person who thinks this way.  And I don't think anything to do with the DS applies to the Rev.  The DS is a the followup to one of the most successful videogame systems ever.  The Rev is the follow up to the least popular Nintendo system of all time except for the Virtual Boy.  The DS could coast over a crummy first six months and a hardware innovation that isn't as big of a deal as Nintendo thinks it is.  The Rev can't.  So don't say "well the DS strategy worked so it will work for the Rev" because it's a night and day difference.  Do you honestly think the DS would have survived the dismal launch period if the PSP was the one following up the GBA?

[Requiem]

Ive played Trauma Center for a total of 10 minutes and I thought it absolutely brilliant.

[Mario]

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I'd say the best titles on the DS are games like Mario Kart, Castlevania, Advance Wars and Animal Crossing and they don't really need the stylus largely because they existed before without one.

That's just a matter of opinion. Since that can't be settled, let's look at the best selling DS titles. Nintendogs and Brain Training, neither could exist without the DS features. Also you have bad taste in games because Yoshi Touch N Go is awesome.

[Deguello]

Also, Games like Nintendogs and Trauma Center and Pac Pix require the very existance of the touchscreen.  Without them, they do not exist.  Essentianl to their very existance,

You can try to spin and damage control your way out of this, Ian.  You lose.  Your argument was flawed from the beginning and become even more flawed under every revision.  It seems the person who wants a company like Nintendo to accept some "hard facts" has a little trouble with it himself.

[King of Twitch]

Without them, they do not exist. Essentianl to their very existance,
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B-b-b-b-b-but what about PSPdogs?

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Deguello
Also, Games like Nintendogs and Trauma Center and Pac Pix require the very existance of the touchscreen.  Without them, they do not exist.  Essentianl to their very existance,

You can try to spin and damage control your way out of this, Ian.  You lose.  Your argument was flawed from the beginning and become even more flawed under every revision.  It seems the person who wants a company like Nintendo to accept some "hard facts" has a little trouble with it himself.

Come on.  That guy's arguments flawed? That's like saying the Pope is CAtholic.  Anyway the guy is an anti-Nintendo broken record.  Whenever a press release, product, game or service comes out he asks himself, 'How is this bad for Nintendo?' and that's his stance.  YOu don't need to read his posts.  YOu can write his posts for him yourself as you already know what he's going to say.  IF Nintendo did it then it's wrong.  

I think it stems back from his childhood when the NES fell on his head when he was crawling around.  

[zakkiel]

Since this has ceased to be about anything productive and has devolved into Ian flaming, I'll say this: I'm always impressed with his forbearance and restraint in the face of constant rudeness. It would be nice if more people on the internet could manage that.

[Hostile Creation]

I must admit I do admire that about Ian.
Though sometimes I wonder if he doesn't just ignore my posts

[PaLaDiN]

Might as well chime in my support... Ian is like the lightning rod of hate for this forum, absorbing and dissipating it so the rest of us can discuss things in a civilized manner. Things wouldn't be the same without him.

Back on topic... I was hoping Reggie would give us more to discuss. I can't help thinking that enabling voice chat for metroid would be a disaster unless you could choose exactly who you wanted to play with...

[nemo_83]

I want a forum/blog style online community for Revolution.  Everyone could have their own home page, and new friends to play with could be quickly found in the forums while still using the console.  Something about it seems more personalyzed, more accessable to the core gamer, and democratic.  Nintendo should aim to recreate the current online PC Nintendo fan community which is by far the strongest and most active if you ask me.  If one wants to be exclusive about who they play with they can, if they want to dive into the wilds they can, and if they want something less random yet still open they can choose modes matching ranked players (rankings based on wins, loses, dropouts, killing team members vs assists, speed, aim, etc).  

[Smash_Brother]

I don't think Ian's as bad as anyone makes him out to be.

His posts take the critical aspects of every announcement, yes, but he usually always expresses what changes he'd like to see to make it better.

Of course, that's only as long as I've been here. He might have been worse before and I wouldn't know.

[Pale]

Ian's only problem is that he is never happy with anything.  That makes it hard to take any of his opinions seriously.

Well maybe he's happy sometimes, but he never expresses it on the forums.  

[Ian Sane]

I'm happy at times.  When Twilight Princess comes out you're likely going to hear some very positive comments and then I'll disappear to play more Zelda.

I've found it hard to be optimistic because I was optimistic about the Cube and then watched Nintendo flub routine stuff and sink themselves even deeper into the pit they were in with the N64.  That's very frustrating and demoralizing.  And in the last year it was hard to be positive because, well, I wasn't playing games.  I wasn't impressed with the DS at first (they only first party launch game is a port; what an insult) so I didn't buy one until December and the 2005 Cube release schedule was pretty bare.  It's easier to be positive when you're having a blast playing great games.  When virtually nothing that interests you comes out for almost a year then you get pretty annoyed.

Plus I've noticed a big change in Nintendo lately that I'm not really cool with.  I don't like the non-gamer strategy and not just because I don't think it will work.  I also fear Nintendo is abandoning me for non-gamers.  I'm afraid they're just not going to make games that interest me anymore (or not as frequently as I like) which is going to make me a little bitter because I've supported them and have been loyal for a long time and thus don't really deserve to be cast aside.  Sony and MS don't offer me what I like so if Nintendo stops doing it too then I'm screwed.  I've got a feeling in the back of my head that gaming as I like it is almost dead and that, well, sucks.  If the Rev fails Nintendo's dead.  If the Rev succeeds then Nintendo might not be Nintendo anymore.  What do you root for?

I think the forum used to be more balanced in terms of praise vs criticism but I've noticed a lot of the regulars that were here when the Cube launched aren't here now.  I'm wondering if those that were critical don't have the patience I do and have just given up on Nintendo.  It kind of makes sense that during a very low point in a Nintendo's history that most of the fans are going to be the optimistic type.

Plus I find there's not much point in sharing an opinion if 50 other people have already said the same thing.  So if something really impresses me and everyone has already made the point I have then I'm less likely to respond.  Who needs another "wow this is great" post?  However if my reason on why it's great hasn't been covered I'll respond.  At the same time if a critical opinion I have hasn't been addressed I'm going to bring it up.  Lately this board hasn't been too critical so I've had more reason to post those kinds of opinions.

I'm here because I like Nintendo.  If I didn't why would I care what they did?

[Kairon]

Ian, I remember you once writing that you were with Nintendo because Sony and Microsoft weren't going in a direction you liked with videogames either. You wrote that you were upset with Nintendo because if they went out of the videogame industry due to what you considered their poor choices, then you would be unsatisfied with the types of games that Sony and Microsoft would be moving towards.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Pale
Ian's only problem is that he is never happy with anything.  That makes it hard to take any of his opinions seriously.

Exactly.  

HIs views have nothing to do with Nintendo because no matter what Nintendo does he will complain.

[Smash_Brother]

FFS, people, cut him some slack.

If anyone bothered to read his last post, he explained rather clearly why he feels the way he feels.

I don't think his feelings are unwarranted: based on Nintendo's last two home consoles, they've been declining, losing market share regularly.

Frankly, if they hadn't released the DS, I'd be pretty goddamn pessimistic myself. I think the Rev has hope because Nintendo's angle with the DS worked well on acquiring 3rd party developers which would have otherwise probably not cared.

With the Rev being something new and different, 3rd parties are pressured into supporting it from fear. No one wants to be left out in the cold when it comes to developing for a console and accidentally develop for the "loser" console (like the GC was last gen). Because it's so different, no one can say whether or not it will fail or possibly succeed in such a big way that it captures the market this gen.

Will it likely capture the market? No, but you don't know what could happen because this is a different concept. It might make other means of gaming look stale and outdated by comparison, making players around the world yawn at the notion of using an ordinary controller. Or it could bomb completely.

All I know for certain is that I'm not ruling Nintendo out this gen, but there's plenty of reason to be skeptical based on their past performance alone and Ian has the right to point that out without being bitched at.

[Hostile Creation]

Everyone here understands that.  Most of us just personally feel as though Ian is too pessimistic.  I'm sure he's not quite as bad as he seems, but we're constantly attacking him so he has to defend his claims, and it makes him look worse.  I've been waiting for a compromise but it never comes.

Also, if you haven't noticed, Nintendo is improving.  Gamecube hasn't done as well as the N64, but it's improved most things that went wrong.  N64 only did well because it rode on the coattails of the SNES.  I strongly believe Nintendo was much stronger this generation than last, both in terms of the games they made and the decisions they made.
Ian fails to recognize any improvement, and continually complains about the DS, despite its apparent success (which only looks to improve).

So I understand, and I don't hate Ian.  I think he's virtually essential to the board.  But he could be a little less doomy gloomy.

[Smash_Brother]

Wasn't directing that at you, Hostile. I disagree with him on a number of points (first and foremost about the DS and it's progress), but it's the people dismissing everything he says entirely which I take issue with.

Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed. Ian's just been disappointed one too many times to expect anything but.

That might change this gen, but again, expect the worst.

[PaLaDiN]

"Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed."

I take issue with that philosophy. If all you do is expect the worst, you've got nothing to dream about anymore.

So, are we going to be talking about this Reggie thing anytime soon?

[Smash_Brother]

As true as that may be, when you expect nothing, the good things are 100X better.

As for the article, this intrigues me the most...

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Fils-Aime: As much as I think [Nintendo President Mr. Satoru] Iwata likes me, if I shared that with you I probably wouldn't be here. [Laughs] You know, here are the facts: Come [this May], we'll disclose a lot more. After [that], we'll disclose even more, and right about the time of the launch, we'll disclose even more. There are certainly elements to everything we're doing about Revolution I'm talking beyond the controller, the virtual console, all the different element we'll be sharing all the way up to launch. And I believe as consumers understand the full range of benefits and the full functionality, the more and more they're going to get excited. I really do.

There are still elements to the Rev beyond the controller which Nintendo hasn't even discussed. I admit, I find it enticing, but my policy stands.

Right now, I'm morbidly curious about the whole thing more than anything...

[Ian Sane]

"N64 only did well because it rode on the coattails of the SNES. I strongly believe Nintendo was much stronger this generation than last, both in terms of the games they made and the decisions they made.
Ian fails to recognize any improvement"

It's not that I fail to recognize any improvement it's that I have a different opinion.  I thought the N64 was a better system.  I think it benefited from having some of the best games of all time on it.  The N64 was largely limited by one really dumb decision by Nintendo.  That was unfortunate and frustrating but everyone makes mistakes and Nintendo unfortunately just made one that affected everything.  It seemed to me at the time that Nintendo was for the most part on the ball except for one thing.  The Cube didn't have that big reason for it's underperformance.  It had no excuse.  Nintendo just kept messing up routine stuff.  There is no excuse why the Xbox beat the Cube in North America.  The same hardware and even a lot of the same games could have beat the Xbox if Nintendo was more on the ball in regards to marketing and the timing of game releases (ie: release cool Zelda first and cartoon Zelda second) and a better handling of routine stuff.

That to me changed everything.  Now I question the company as a whole.  Did the N64 really flop because of the cartridges or did Nintendo just not know what they were doing and it would have flopped even if they used CDs?  Did they really know what they were doing with the NES or did they just luck out because there was no one else?  Seeing a company trip over their own shoelaces like that really hurts their credibility in your mind.

When the Cube was annouced I was incredibly optimistic about it.  I'm not with the Rev.  I don't have that confidence.  So that to me suggest things didn't improve.  That's everything.  Nintendo has improved a few things but those a minor compared to that.  If I'm more concerned over Nintendo's future now then I was then then I can't say things are better now.

I love how Nintendo is finally going online and what the Rev case looks like and how they're including an optional DVD player for it and the whole download system.  Those are things I see that are major improvements.  But Nintendo can't seem to take any steps forward without taking steps back.  They're not supporting HD and they've got this weird controller that they claim has a shell for traditional games but they won't go into details about it or show the shell or clarify if it comes with every controller.  They're being all secretive and not showing any screenshots or games or trailers or announcing third party support.  There are rumours about the Rev being underpowered and Nintendo has not denied this and has made all sorts of dodge comments downplaying hardware.  Any Nintendo fan knows that when Nintendo does that sort of things it's secret code for "yes that negative rumour is true".

So they're fixing some things but doing other questionable things.  Is that improvement?  If you break your leg to put your arm in a sling are you better off?  I would consider improvement to mean they're doing less questionable things and that there's a real change in attitude regarding negative traits.  They're still being secretive and saying weird stuff and downplaying things that most people consider positive features and making questionable decisions and acting like they're not competing.  Well that's pretty much the same old Nintendo.

I'm happy they've made some improvements.  That's better than nothing.  But they can't just fix one group of problems and then create a whole bunch of new ones.

[animecyberrat]

I am in the same boat as mist Ian most of the time largely because I did sit through the N64 days wishing I had either a PS or Saturn BECASUE of the lack of games. I did the same with GC I spent a lot of time wishing I had one or both of the other 2 BECAUSE GC was lacking in games.

I ended up getting both of the otehr 2 and I was still disapointed with PS2 so eventualy got rid of it, as for Xbox well It hasnt goten as much play as I thought it would but it still is nice to nolonger have to sit back and get pissed I wont be abel to play a game I have been anticapating, now I am not restricted. In the SNES days itw as different, even if you were a Nintendo only fan or Sega only fan it didnt matter, the 3rd party supports was basicaly equal and the 1st party stuff on either system was more than satisfying.

Also yo haev to factor in, dont take this the wrong way either, the fact that nobody is goign to be very excited abotu rooting for the loosing team and GC was undenyably the losing team.


I have doubts as well about Nintendos stratgey in regards to the rev but where Ian sees doom I actualy see some major improvemnts that gets largely over looked. Mostly what I see is Nintendo is TAKING AWAY everything that makes Xbox great, and thats whats going to win them in the end, tehres no argument this next time. Xbox inticed a lot of 1st person shooters fans by having the best lineol up and the best control for the genre, GC was pretty good also but its missing buttons did make a difference.

GC didnt have any good 1st person shooters and rigth now Nintendo is doing evrythign they can to show that as far as 1st perosn shooters are concerned teh rev is THE ONLY option, its going to have the perfect interface, its goign to be online, also have LAN single disk play, its going to have voice chat (recently confirmed) and its online is goignt obe FREE. Right tehre they take EVERY thing that Xbox has and basicaly shoot it down, Free is always superior to costly in consumers minds, and 1st person shooter fans are going to most likely flock to REV once they get their hands on it.


Then theres the HD thing, but unliek Ian and others I see this as ana dvantage not a disadvantage because first off by the time tehres enough HD TV in houses xbox 360 ps3 and rev will all be old news. Sony and MS are building it into thei rsystems not to sell systems but to sell HD, plain and simple. For NIntendo to stay out of this right now is better because for one it saves them money and they dont have to cater to a certain limited market, expamle, on a HD TV Xbox 360 is fantastic and is worth getting the system and trying some games, but for a normal TV that doesnt suport HD and doesnt support tha aspect ratio and such ytur goign to be nmissing out on a lot of the game it your going to feel liek yu got cheated if you got an xbox 360 and no hd tv especialy when everytime yo goto teh store and see it running on HD TV your going to feel more cheated, or liely will buy an HD TV which is all MS or Sony want you to do.


Nintendo wont have that feeling yu will play it on any TV and it will look great no matter what. It will still support Progressive Scan so if yo lay it on your HD TV you are still getitng a good pciture so tehres hsouldnt be any complaints there.



Ltes say for instance Nintendo was going to go with HD also heres what I see, peopel who DONT have HD TVs are going to see the difference and are going to feel liek they got ripped off and arent going to suport the system any longer, now since Nintendo is the only system taht wont have that "i got ripped off' feel that gies them a major advantage. a consumer is going to want barain and feautres. Rev offers a major bargain and plenty of features for the average consumer, and offers plenty of neat stuff for the hard core gamers. All thats left is for Nintendo to make great games to show case what it can do and thast where the toruble is rigth now, can Nintendo still maek great games? Well DS certainly has a few but GC hasnt had any really great games in along time, the best they have look better when you see tehres nothing else avauilable but when yo compare to other great games the ebst for GC sstill dont stack up as well, not saying they are all crap cuz tehres still some great games, but its been along time sicne they made a game that was really truely great, tahst why Zelda TP is so impoirtant if it is as good as we all want it to be than they will have acheived 2 things regain conficende in the fans and possibly win back some strays who jumped ship.

Reasing TOP close to REV and making it KNOWN that it will work on the REV wiull also have a major impact.

[BigJim]

Ian gets a lot of flack but I share many of the same sentiments.

I thought the PlayStation was a fluke and that GameCube was going to wipe PS2 out. So I can't be accused of not being extremely optimistic at the start of this round. But it's been one step forward and two steps back. That's painful for a Nintendo diehard.

For what it's worth, I think they'll do better next gen than they did this one, because I couldn't fathom them doing worse, sales-wise. They're too good to only have a base of 20 million, or whatever the latest count is.

They're fixing a number of critical errors -- The Cube's late entry to market has been underplayed, but damn, almost 2 years headstart for PS2 was just plain deadly. The Rev design is improved. The DVD support. Built-in online. Virtual Console. etc.

There are still some problems this generation that Nintendo hasn't shown they've solved yet:

- Marketing/product perception/image  (they've embraced their passe/k!ddie image for the last 15 years.)
- Narrow audience/demographic  (The Cube is for Nintendo fans. Nothing else sells.)
- Weak support, lack of variety  (Due to the previous.)
- No killer apps  (semi-related: prove why the next controller should be standard)

The HD thing. I really do wish there was optional support for it. I feel like a tool now for having bought an HDTV to partly to prepare for the next generation. But I see it like this... By the time it becomes important to the market at large, the fate of the consoles will probably already be decided. We're going to know who will be first, second, and third (or roughly tied) 2-3 years in. At that point, the inclusion of HD isn't going to compel most swing voters to go one way or another. They'll be living on momentum just like PS2 was even though it was the weakest performer of the bunch. It would, however, help Nintendo's perception/image, as I mentioned above. They shouldn't give people any excuse to be dismissed again, and this might be one of those. I don't know. Personally, yes throw it in. Overall, I begrudgingly tolerate its absence.

There's still room for critical error, and the track record for the last 2 generations isn't beaming, so concern is a fair emotion for anybody that does care.  

[trip1eX]

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... he explained rather clearly why he feels the way he feels.

That's the problem.  We all knew how he felt about 400 posts ago.