Author Topic: Castlevania (Read 9728 times)

egman · « **on:** February 24, 2003, 09:09:03 AM »

It has just been announced for the PS2.

I have no idea if we will see a port later on, but this news just makes me feel even more like Konami outright depises the GameCube. I would be happy even with a timed exclusive, but we're not getting that either.

They have to have more in down the pipe for the Cube fans besides Disney Sports, right?

RickPowers · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2003, 09:16:33 AM »

I'm getting pretty tired of this "Konami hates us" crap.

It's a BUSINESS decision. You look at the machine that has the highest installed base, and you make your top-tier games for it. Simple. They don't "despise" the GameCube, we just don't have a high enough installed base to entice them.

egman · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2003, 09:37:17 AM »

I understand it's a business, but this is similar to the whole Codemaster's deal. Codemasters cancelled Colin McRae before releasing ANYTHING on the Cube before hand.

The problem I'm having with these companies are they are making assumptions by looking at how others have done on the system. I would be more than happy if these guys would just make one exclusive and see how it works out. How the hell do they know they are not going to sell if hadn't put forth at least one full-hearted effort on the console. Of course I wouldn't want them to risking something like Castlevania, but the GameCube could be a testing ground for their new ideas. The Capcom 5 is example of how I wish other company would give the console a chance.

The Omen · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2003, 10:29:14 AM »

If it was only a business decision, then Konami WOULD release it on the GC. Nintendo fans have always supported the Castlevania series, including the recent GBA versions. It's pretty pathetic that Konami can't see that the GC has hundreds of thousands of Castlevania fans. Konami does have a grudge , so far, against Nintendo Gc, -they think it's a kiddie machine. Hence, Disney sports.

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2003, 11:56:45 AM »

Rick, Xbox got Metal Gear Solid, and Xbox doesnt have the highest installed user base. Its not just installed user base, its also $$$, something Nintendo seems reluctant to spend, Castlevania would have been awesome on the cube, especially with the ability to possibly connect to GBA Castlevanias. Imagine being able to unlock Castlevania from NES! or stuff like that.

Nintendo needs to get Konami back on the fold, im sick of the Disney sports titles.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:17:05 PM »

man you guys just dont get it.
PS2 has the highest user base, therefore they will get the majority of third part exclusives, it only makes sense.
As for metal gear on x-box, it is a good fit based on the x-box demographics.
Think with your heads and not your hearts and you will see what is clearly obvious.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:18:53 PM »

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they think it's a kiddie machine

compared to the PS2 and X-box it is.

deal with it.

Dethroned Emperor · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:57:46 PM »

this is a follow-up to the guy who was complaining about the disney titles. those disney titles were holdovers from when rare was developing them back on the 64. once rare was bought by microsoft, konami took over the license so that nintendo could fulfill their contract with disney, or something to that effect. I think castlevania on GC would sell quite well, but I can't blame konami for placing a higher priority on PS2.

mojorizin · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2003, 02:18:50 PM »

Again, developing for GC fans is risky. Not for the install base alone, but for the expectations. With the install base of PS2, you can make a subpar game and still make enough to cover your expenses. You make a mistake with US, and you lose your butt.

Its good business to bring it out for PS2 first. If it receives good reviews and sells quite well, by all means port it. Sure, a multi platformer would get me awfully tickled, but I'm not betting the rent on it. Lets face it, we have high expectations from a Castlevania title - lets take a trip back to the ill-advised crap they gave us on N64. Castlevania may be a 3D wonder if N developed it, but Konami doesn't have the resources (money, time, talent, reserves) to give it its due (see:N64). Its gonna have to be 2D and follow the rehash (ok, classic rehash) formula that PS/GBA has received for 7 years now. Maybe like Contra, it just belongs in 2D.

I still hope someone at Konami has the stones to port the new Contra over, that would certainly give them at least an initial indication of their chances of success.

The Omen · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2003, 02:22:24 PM »

cubedcanuck---i'm assuming you think that 'M' rated games make an adult console? M rated[for violence] games are, for the most part, geared towards immature gamers. If you don't think so, than obviously you haven't been to your local EB, and you ignore all the little kids who like crap games like STATE OF EMERGENCY and such. Nintendo has plenty of great games that arent kiddie, i should know, i'm 29. You deal with that.

As far as Konami and Disney licensed games, they took over for Rare. Oh okay, so then they don't have to make any other games worth a damn? Thats my complaint, not that they make the Disney games, that thats all they make. Can you disagree with that?

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2003, 03:01:09 PM »

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i'm assuming you think that 'M' rated games make an adult console? M rated[for violence] games are, for the most part, geared towards immature gamers. If you don't think so, than obviously you haven't been to your local EB, and you ignore all the little kids who like crap games like STATE OF EMERGENCY and such. Nintendo has plenty of great games that arent kiddie, i should know, i'm 29. You deal with that

you assume wrong. I am 32 year old gamer who disagrees that most violent games are geared toward immature gamers. That statement clearly shows an attitude based on bias instead of fact.
Secondly I never said GC is kiddy, but it is percieved that way in comparison to the other 2 consoles, and in this case perception is all that matters. As long as it is percieved to be kiddy it may as well be.
For a 29n year old you sure have poor comprehension skills.

pimpcube · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2003, 03:35:33 PM »

now, now children. i agree w/ both of u. although M games are geared toward more "mature" players, the vast majority of those buyers are 16 and under. the fact can't be denied. kids and teenagers alike attempt to "act cool" and play mature games. i myself, am 16. don't get upset, i still kinda like u both.

:hat

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2003, 03:46:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: RickPowers
I'm getting pretty tired of this "Konami hates us" crap.

It's a BUSINESS decision. You look at the machine that has the highest installed base, and you make your top-tier games for it. Simple. They don't "despise" the GameCube, we just don't have a high enough installed base to entice them.

Well Rick your right in one regard, PS2 has the largest userbase but as Perfect Cell said...money has a lot to do with it. MS literally pays people to put games on their console. If the largest userbase was the main factor, why has Sega heavily supported X-box despite poor sales. Why did Dead to Rights, Splinter Cell, etc. hit X-box first when its userbase doens't come close to PS2. Yes userbase is a factor but so is money. Before FF7's release, the Saturn was killing the PS1 in Japan, Sony had money though so it hit PS1, the PS1 surpassed the Saturn and it ensured the Dragon Quest would also be on PS1. So userbase is a factor but so is money. Perception is more important than reality in the videogame industry. From Sega's mythical "blast processing" contrived to make it appear that the Genesis and its faster CPU made it more powerful than the SNES, to Sony shunning 2D development on PS because it was "dated".....when it reality it was because the lack of the PS's 2D prowess, perception often becomes reality in gaming. We all remember how Capcom suspended all PS1 development for a short while because Sony told them to stop making 2D titles because they looked better on Saturn. So userbase is a factor, but the biggest factors are money, perception, and politics. The perception is that Nintendo is dead in the water, the reality is that they are making the most money of any of the big three. Nintendo's Gamecube is perceived to be an inferior, kiddie, underpowered console. Konami put a version of Silent Hill on GBA, yet the Gamecube is "too kiddie" to receive a version of Silent Hill. The average age of a Gamecube owner is higher than the average owner of the GBA. So the GBA would be more "kiddie" than the Gamecube but the GBA has the larger user base. That and the fact that Nintendo isn't will to throw huge gobs cash at Konami like MS did for MGS2: Substance is the reason why Konami is not putting marque titles on Gamecube. Yes the GC has substantially lower userbase that the PS2 but its actually ahead of the X-box worldwide and is killing the X-box in japan. MGS2 sold 750,000 copies on PS2 in Japan. If every Japanese gamer bought MGS2: Substance twice it couldn't sell that many on X-box in Japan. Yes MGS2 has the potention to sell more copies in the US on X-box but if you look at worldwide sales, it would sell better on GCN. So userbase and money hats determine which games go where. From a business sense PS2 is expected to receive the most focus from third parties.....that doesn't explain the GC and X-box situation, but money hats do.

Darc Requiem

The Omen · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2003, 04:09:55 PM »

cubedcanuck--you said' COMPARED TO THE PS2 AND XBOX IT IS...DEAL WITH IT '

If you had said the 'perception is...', perhaps i could better comprehend your absurd comment. Lets just face facts, Konami is coming up real small, and its not just because of the ps2 userbase.

AlphaDragoon2002 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2003, 06:19:59 PM »

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Originally posted by: The Omen
cubedcanuck--you said' COMPARED TO THE PS2 AND XBOX IT IS...DEAL WITH IT '

If you had said the 'perception is...', perhaps i could better comprehend your absurd comment. Lets just face facts, Konami is coming up real small, and its not just because of the ps2 userbase.

I'm gonna have to agree with The Omen here...you sound more than a little biased there, man.

Sean · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2003, 06:56:32 PM »

Said it before, say it again:

If we weren't so freaking bent on believing the GCN was going down the crapper, we wouldn't be so annoyingly obsessed with turning EVERY DEVELOPMENT (or lack thereof) concerning the GCN into a HUGE FIASCO.

IN FACT: even when it doesn't involve the GCN, like news that a non-handheld Castlevania is coming out (which we should all be VERY HAPPY TO HEAR about), many of "us" turn it into GameCube news. It's tiring.

Instead of complaining about what ISN'T on the GameCube, let's be happy about what IS and what is on other systems for us to enjoy (99% sure you have a friend with a PS2 if you don't have one).

And please, please don't start that "We have the right to complain," crap. If you're talking about free speech--well, free speech should be wisely used. If you're talking about company allegiance to Nintendo, you're a sad sack.

z_911 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2003, 07:45:29 PM »

what id do for castlevania on gamecube..

G¹ddyGoldenG¹bblets · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2003, 09:57:21 PM »

I'm glad that the GameBoy Player is being released.
CastleVania games on the TV again. Good stuff.

egman · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2003, 05:18:49 AM »

For me, this isn't really about not being able to play a Konami game. I have all three systems.

I would just like to see Konami--who I believe is a very talented developer--try do something with the system. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be franchise product. I understand the needed to gives those top tier games prioty to the PS2. But that doesn't mean they should shun the system because of perceptions. I might actually be one of the few people who bought a Cube not only to have Nintendo games, but also because I thought it was quality system and I was excited about the kinds of things developers would be able to do with it. No one's asking Konami to blow a whole wad of cash, but the idea that this is purely a business decision becomes suspect to me when they really haven't thrown any support onto system.

Sean · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2003, 07:39:00 AM »

I definitely bought my GameCube because I thought it was a quality system (and I think it is)--by no means just for Nintendo's sparkling titles like Mario and Zelda (I'm guessing) and Metroid. And, Egman, like you said, it would be cool to see Konami do some big games on it, of course! However, it's the attitude that Konami "owes" us something or that it would be "better" just because it's on GameCube that gets on my nerves. I don't think anyone can argue that it would be freaking awesome, but there's more going on here. And it's tiresome.

As for the GameCube, I think Nintendo has made HUGE strides on a system that's a little over a year old (especially considering the mass attitude towards Nintendo that has been discussed here and everywhere else until we're blue in the face, and worse). Time will pass, things will change, and even if they don't, I'm enjoying the system pretty much as is. Many an hour I've spent on the handful of games I actually own, not to mention the multi-player sessions I've had with friends. In the end, the userbase will grow enough that companies like Konami will come back.

That gets to my last point. People keep saying Konami used to be a staunch Nintendo supporter. No, actually, they are staunch supporters of going where they think they can make a big profit. If they don't think they can do that on GameCube right now, that's their belief to which they are entitled, however flawed or shortsighted it may or may not be.

Okay, I feel like a broken record on all this, so I'm out.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2003, 03:31:21 PM »

Konami support would be nice but its not why I bought my GC. I bought my GC for Nintendo titles and any else, such as Capcom's support and Namco's upcoming titles are just a huge bonus. I think the GC will have a great year this year. Companies like Konami will notice this and reconsider their position. So just keep playing your Gamecubes and everything will work out. My GC library almost dwarfs the library I had with my N64 in five years and Its only been 15 months since the GC's launch.

Darc Requiem

egman · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2003, 04:59:43 PM »

I hope you guys are not misunderstanding me. I'm not trying to spread doom and gloom. I also see that this is going to be one of the biggest years for Nintendo in quite awhile. Shoot, I agree with Sean that it's nice to see that there is going to be Castlevania this generation that is NOT a Gameboy Advance cart. And never once did I believe Konami had any alligeance to any particular company, so I'm not upset because of some make believe notion that Nintendo was betrayed. I guess I'm just really annoyed that some very talented companies are taking an ultra conservative approach to the Cube. I think Dark Requiem has the right idea, eventually things will turn. I'm noticing as well that my library of GamCube games is abnormally huge when I compare it to consoles I have had in the past, and if many other Cube fans are experincing this, then the numbers will eventually debunk all the crap that seems to float around about the Nintendo's place in the industry.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2003, 05:50:30 PM »

I think we're all just upset with Konami's current attitudes. These are financial decisions to Konami, but they're games to us.

And it's even more personal than that. If you look at Konami's message boards, half the posts are from GameCube fans complaining about getting no respect. The usual response is "If you were a real gamer, you'd have a PS2." But can you see Konami making some GameCube games, and saying to the PS2 owners "If you were real gamers, you'd have GameCubes"? Hell no.

The problem is that Konami's GameCube support has been downright abysmal. Yeah sure, they don't have to give the GameCube a bunch of exclusive blockbusters, but when they don't give us anything, they're saying that they think GameCube owners are worthless. It's hard not to take that personally, and get a little bit upset with them. They treated even the N64 better, and it's pretty easy to see how they could make more money on the Cube.

Now then, there are rumors that Konami is going to start making more ports, and so their GameCube support is going to move up to "pathetic" when a bunch of ports get announced at E3, and there's also another rumor that Hideo Kojima is going to be making a GameCube version of his new light-sensitive GBA RPG "Our Sun", and that it'll be a big GameCube-exclusive blockbuster.

But while we're here sitting in our "Wait for E3" modes, hoping Konami will shift up, at least to "pathetic" like the rumors say, Konami announces another big Blockbuster series for the PS2. "Wait for E3? Nah. It's too crowded there. There'd be no room for it in the Konami PS2 booth at E3. We've got too much other PS2 stuff planned."

egman · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2003, 04:47:15 AM »

I just swung by Konami's forums. It looks like they do have some exciting plans for the Cube, but they are keeping really quiet about it until E3. I'm hearing rumours about some Zelda like game in which you hunt vampires and the game requires you to use sunlight to completely destroy them. This is the type of thing I wanted to hear. I don't have to have Contra and Castlevania, but knowing that they are cooking up an interesting title that could appeal to a huge portion of the GameCube's audience certainly changes my feelings on the whole subject.

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