Topic: If everybody buys rev asa second console

[ThePerm]

If everybody bought revolution as their second console than that would make it the number #1 console cus all three groups would have one.  

[KDR_11k]

Well, duh.

[vudu]

I miss the days when Perm was able to write a coherent sentence.  What happened?  Too much glue-sniffing?

[odifiend]

Seriously, what did happen?  Is someone sharing the account?

[PaLaDiN]

Look at his avatar, obviously it's all the hair plugs.

[rhahertyehbah]

I really don't understand how Nintendo can hope to be marketed as both an "and" console, and to non-gamers (who wouldn't have a main console).

[kirby_killer_dedede]

*sigh* I still remember when Perm could write a better sentence than Stevey...

[KDR_11k]

Perm probably IS Stevey and keeping that personality believable has fried his brain.

[Ian Sane]

The idea of being everyone's second console is okay in theory but it would never work.  By setting their goal on being everyone's secondary console they're not striving to be number one.  What difference does that make?  Well a company trying to be number one tries harder than one that's not and people notice that.  The Xbox didn't have a chance at beating the PS2 but MS sure as hell tried hard anyway and people noticed it and that's why despite being a distant second place the Xbox has a positive brand image.  The Cube doesn't because even though it too never had a real chance Nintendo acted like it never had a chance and didn't really put a full effort in.  This is ultimately the problem with their profit obsession.  They don't really care if people don't buy their console or if the userbase's needs aren't met or if options aren't provided as long as they stay in the black.

So if they just want to be the secondary console the effort won't be there, they'll let too many things slide, and because of that they'll never sell enough consoles to be number one.  To be number one you have to be the only console a person needs and striving to be the secondary console automatically means you're not going to be the only console a person needs.

Of course Nintendo shouldn't spend money like MS but more effort, drive, and aggressiveness would be appreciated.  Nintendo's like the sports team owner who only cares about making a profit by selling tickets and merchandise but has no desire in building a team to win the cup as long as he still makes money.  People don't get behind teams like that.  They get behind the cup contenders.  A console maker is a lot like a team.  There are major benefits to backing the market leader so people want to be on a "team" that's trying to win.  Nintendo's secondary console strategy means they're not trying to win so they won't.

[JonLeung]

For some rich bums, it may be their third console.

Or fourth, if the Phantom isn't dead.

Or a fifth or sixth if they keep around older consoles, etc.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

If i get 2 Revs, it wins my 1st and 2nd place.  YES

[odifiend]

I was under the impression that Iwata said something to effect of, if you want to buy an Xbox O or PS3, you could still buy a Revolution.  The notion of a secondary console is a testament to how the Revolution is not direct competition.  And while this generation being a second console would be completely unreasonable, next gen Nintendo could position themself to win using this stategy.
I traditionally am not into nongames, but I would be happy to reap the rewards of a console that has the highest market penetration.  One thing you have to give Nintendo credit for is applying their dominance in the handheld world to the console realm.

[IceCold]

And the other problem with this is that if it plays second fiddle then nearly all multiplatform games would sell on the X360 and the PS3, and therefore the vicious cycle of third parties and Nintendo systems continues... If this were to happen, the Rev would be a niche console, and there would only be room for exclusives and first party games. If this strategy is employed and Nintendo somehow gets the Rev to be the #1 console, then of course the exclusives will flow in, but that dosn't seem very likely at all.

[Ian Sane]

"One thing you have to give Nintendo credit for is applying their dominance in the handheld world to the console realm."

How have they done this?  Well Pokemon started off as a Gameboy game and they managed to get some big console hits out of that franchise (though they could have probably won the console war this gen if they had released a GOOD Pokemon RPG on the Cube).  Other than that I can't think of anything.  Connectivity was a total bomb and the way it was used it was like they were trying to sell GBAs to Cube owners when the other way around is what would have made more sense.  They even killed the system selling potential of the GB Player by releasing the SP first.  Had they switched that around then the GB Player would have been the solution to GBA's poor visibility.  Instead the SP was the solution and the GB Player was just a novelty for those who already owned Cubes.

I think there's tons of wasted potential for using their portable success to help out their consoles.  

[odifiend]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"One thing you have to give Nintendo credit for is applying their dominance in the handheld world to the console realm."

How have they done this?  Well Pokemon started off as a Gameboy game and they managed to get some big console hits out of that franchise (though they could have probably won the console war this gen if they had released a GOOD Pokemon RPG on the Cube).  Other than that I can't think of anything.  Connectivity was a total bomb and the way it was used it was like they were trying to sell GBAs to Cube owners when the other way around is what would have made more sense.  They even killed the system selling potential of the GB Player by releasing the SP first.  Had they switched that around then the GB Player would have been the solution to GBA's poor visibility.  Instead the SP was the solution and the GB Player was just a novelty for those who already owned Cubes.

I think there's tons of wasted potential for using their portable success to help out their consoles.

...i guess you misunderstood.  They are taking what works for them in the handheld market and seeking to apply it in the console market.

[JonLeung]

As much as I love Pokémon, I don't know about "winning this gen" with a decent Pokémon GCN RPG.

And even if it did somehow sell multiple times more GameCubes, it would probably contribute more to the *gasp* tiku tiku tiku!  image.

And then if the sales were completely overtaking the competition, people would call videos games as a whole "tiku tiku tiku! " and then insecure gamers would stop playing games altogether.

...Okay, maybe not.

[ThePerm]

my spacebar doesnt work worth crap

[ThePerm]

gameboy advance did as well as ps2........its cheaper..and its different. maybe this seperation isnt so bad. We are different gamers to start with....how many of us actually like sports games...i for one only really like them if they are ea big or have mario in them.  

[JonLeung]

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
my spacebar doesnt work worth crap

No kidding, you forgot the space between "Game" and "Boy".

For the most successful line of gaming handhelds ever, it surely gets misspaced A LOT.

[Dasmos]

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
my spacebar doesnt work worth crap

Your shift key on the blink too?

[KDR_11k]

I'm more worried about his apostrophe key. And of course my T key.

[ThePerm]

Blah blah, I could write perfectly well if I wanted to. The fact of the matter is I don't care really. If I pay too much attention to how im spelling or how well I'm typing then I WILL forget what my ideas are. Thats the most important. I tend to have a really short term memory; so, if its not typed as quickly as possible I will forget what the hell I'm typing.

I think if you look at Nintendo's strategy. It might very well succeed. If they are trying to be everyones second console than they have several things going fo them.

1. The launch list will be very decent sized.
2. More variety than you could shake a stick at.
3. More third party support than I remember for Gamecube
4. A badass controller that everyone WILL fall in love with
5. If 40 percent of people on the other conmsoles buy it as a second console...and then you add the people who buy it as their first or only console it would in fact make it number one.
6. If its cheap as hell as everyone is proclaiming.
7 Mario, Zelda, Metroid
8 First Person Shooters
9 Music Games
10 I said so

[JonLeung]

Plus, if it's as revolutionary as hoped, it will probably "convert" a few people, or at least re-open their eyes to Nintendo again, and then the next-next-gen console will be their first choice.

So even if they can't overtake the PS3, they'll at least increase their chances to take on the PS4.

[eljefe]

Basically, as simple logic reveals, they actually have set their minds and hearts on 1st place (in marketshare and market penetration).

The 2nd-console-stragy is just the means to their desired end result.

[JonLeung]

EDIT: I'll move this post into another topic all its own.