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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2005, 11:02:31 AM »
KDR_11K, I could not be more serious.  Masterbation is wrong.  Promoting Masterbation in a video game is wrong. Promoting masterbation in a video game that little girls might unknowlingly pick up is even more wrong.  Shame on whatever company (if any) chooses to publish this title.  I will probably have to add another company to my life-time ban list.

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2005, 09:38:10 PM »
Why is masturbation wrong? Everyone does it, man, woman, animal.

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2005, 11:18:18 PM »
Honestly, why does sex/masterbation have to be this big secret? I know i'm opening a big can of worms here, but, honestly, whats the harm in learning? I'm not saying a sex/masterbation game shouldn't be rated AO, by all means rate it AO, (i.e. parent gets to decide if the game is OK). But if a kid wants to learn about the topic, whats the harm? And why can't he/she have something targeted twords them? A video game would be a great medium to for the child to experiment with sex/masterbation. I mean, in such a game you could teach them about the negative consequences of promiscuity (STDs, unwanted pregnacy) while letting them learn / experiment without having to "Do it for real". Teach them what contraception is, what its use is, how to use it, and why to use it.
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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2005, 06:47:23 AM »
Don't the teenie magazines do that already? I mean, telling them the various details, advantages and dangers of sex/masturbation?

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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2005, 04:44:01 PM »
    I don;t follow your rational KD.  Becuase corrupted teenie magazines do it then it makes it ok for other things to do it?  Pointing to wrong behavior does not justify other wrong behavior.  Masterbation is wrong because it takes a thing that is meant for the marriage bed, and turns it into a selfish, self-gratifying act.  Not to mention that masterbation is usually accompanied with pornography which is also evil, and another can of worms all together.  

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« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2005, 05:45:30 PM »
Hmm... my religiousey senses are tingling...

Technically this is a puzzle game inspired by sex.  It is no different from Miyamoto being in the shower and coming up with the idea for FLUDD or whatever.  
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« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2005, 05:48:34 PM »
Yeah, bathing is evil, but you don't see me complaining.
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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2005, 07:58:32 PM »
Masterbation is wrong because it takes a thing that is meant for the marriage bed

What! How dare you! Marriage? Bringing evil Order into the divine Chaos? Repent lest you will be eaten by him who shall go unnamed.

Masterbation is wrong because it takes a thing that is meant for the marriage bed, and turns it into a selfish, self-gratifying act. Not to mention that masterbation is usually accompanied with pornography which is also evil, and another can of worms all together.

Can you cite a reference from the US law or constitution that says masturbation is illegal and sex is reserved for marriage?
Pornography is not evil or selfish as it keeps a lot of people in employment and as such offers another way of making a living to the people. How can that be evil?

Becuase corrupted teenie magazines do it then it makes it ok for other things to do it?

That's not my rationale, that was an addendum to 31Flavas's post. My rationale is that you're arbitrarily declaring something evil without any reason to do so. I apologize for involving Godwin's law but Hitler arbitrarily decided that being jewish was evil and as a result millions of people died. Arbitrary restrictions are tyranny.

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« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2005, 08:13:13 PM »
^^^what he said

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« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2005, 03:28:03 AM »
 KD, Concerning your question about the U.S. constitution.  The U.S. was founded on Christian principles by Godly Christian men.  Aside from three of the founding fathers, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin... ALL put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ and confidence in the Bible, and rightly so.  

The U.S. was FOUNDED on Biblical principles. Even the three men I mentioned who did not profess Jesus Christ as their savior believed in God and expressed their belief that the Bible's influence on a society is beneficial and necessary.  (They were deists)
These Biblical principles and the FREEDOM (not Hitleresque tyranny) they brought were what made the U.S. the greatest country on the face of the earth....

The point is, the constitution doesn't say anything about masterbation or pornography because these are things that were just ASSUMED to be understood.  Im sure if our founding fathers had the fore-knowledge of just what this nation would degarade into they would have included articles concerning these things, abortion, pornography homos getting 'married', etc.

These principles were just understood like it's understood you just don't walk up to somebody and poke them in eye. Common sense.

Standards and distinguishing right from wrong DO NOT = Hitler.   This is such a downright silly argument,  I do not even feel compelled to answer.

You said something to the effect of "Porn or sex is just another way of people making a living, how could that be wrong?"

Your premise here seems to be that if a thing makes someone money it's a good thing? Paying someone to murder will make someone money. Paying someone to lie would make someone money.  Paying a hooker makes someone money.  Paying the drug dealer makes someone money. I don't understand your point.  

Not to mention that many of the girls in pornograpy are exploited and ill-treated.  

Back to the issue.... WAIT, WAIT, it just occured to me the COMPLETE AND UTTER ABSURDITY of having to explain why pornography is wrong... I have to retire... this is just too much.

I've made my points....the game ought to be banned from store shelves.  If I had my way the company responsible would be shut down.  Chew on that for awhile.  
   

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« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2005, 03:46:11 AM »
EDITED, Im just flamebaiting also, so Ill just better remove that part




And as far as I know your country has this church-state separation since its foundation, here the catholic rule is huge and gets into politics as much as they want, yet things like pornography and masturbation arent illegal, seriously, thats just ridiculous.

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« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2005, 04:09:15 AM »


Concerning seperation of church and state, this is a phrase you will not find in the U.S. constitution.  It is a phrase clung onto by the corrupt liberal movement in an attempt to remove God out of our government in every way.

Freedom of religion in the U.S constitution was installed to ensure that there would not be a Church-Run church, because they had excaped just such a tyrannical system in Europe via the Catholic church.

It DID NOT mean that God be divorced from government altogether.  Our founding fathers understood this, that is why all sessions of congress were opened with prayer, practically all documents signed and dated with ' In the year of our Lord, ####' ... these are just a few examples of the many, many references to Jesus Christ and The Lord (one and the same) in official government dealings.

Anyways my points still stand,  a game simulation of masterbation should be banned for reasons previously stated.


 

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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2005, 06:08:36 AM »
wow,creepy... anyway, your reasons are your moral beliefs, and no game or anything whatsover should be banned because of moral beliefs.

edit: oh I should clarify, it shouldnt be banned in the supposedly land of the free, fighter of democracy etc, etc, etc, that USA claims to be. If its one of the islamic countries then I suposse banning of this kind is expected.

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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2005, 06:20:19 AM »
People when your religousey senses tingle duck.

Actually Thomas Jefferson stressed the separation of church and state... He instituted it in Virgina as the governor so I'd say he believed in it .  Church having a say in government greatly often led to corruption and an undermining of civil government in the past.  Also there were disputes over which denominations were right, etc... so the founders had this in mind when drawing up the constitution.  As for the year of our lord and opening with a prayer, this was common place (I don't even think the idea of Common era had been invented).  Did you know Christmas wasn't made a federal holiday until 1870?  Oh nos!  Founding fathers!
What made the US the greatest country (debatable) on Earth today is that WW2 weakened all the other world powers except for Russia and then the Cold War got Russia.
ShawnSt3r, it stopped being a game about masterbation.  There are no sexual references anymore.  So far, you are the owner of Lapis, the bunny, and giving it affection (petting it DON'T PET your PETS and other actions) will make Lapis happy.  To get Lapis happy, you need to try doing different things - again it is more a puzzle game inspired by the intrincasies of the female.
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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2005, 06:20:22 AM »
But times have changed, the world is different a place now.
Priest are having sex with little boys, Isn't that homo? and illegal according to to your bible?
Besides everybody masturbates, can you say that you never shook for a little longer than normal after taking a piss?
A woman never focuses that one harding hitting stream of water to the one place that it really stimulates?
All male monkey's are ungodly for playing with themselves(they need Jesus and the Bible)?

anyway I'm just babbling nonsense sense I don't believe the bible is nothing more than a bunch of made up stories that are meant to give people morals/standards and guide to live by.

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« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2005, 08:26:18 AM »
Seriously, if you're a Christian, then by all means boycott the company, refuse to play the game, and teach your children that sex is evil and women are subservient, but don't try and push your moral agenda on everyone else.  Why should non-christians follow God's laws, hrm?

As for the game...I think its pretty cool.  It teaches kids that doing things the same way everytime doesn't work.  

Its about ADAPTABILITY, people.  

 
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« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2005, 09:35:49 AM »
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

sense I don't believe the bible is nothing more than a bunch of made up stories that are meant to give people morals/standards and guide to live by.
While I won't deny that religion gives people that want it a sense of community or together-ness or good feeling-ness... or a set of nice rules to live by i.e. Be nice to others, do not steal/kill/etc... I'll take it one step further. The bible/christianity/even religion in general is nothing more then general business. You have money and religion has something to sell to you. A bunch of made up stories to get you to fork over cash. The idea that any one religon is better or the "true one", or for that matter, infallible is just rediculus.  
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« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2005, 10:52:53 AM »
"Actually Thomas Jefferson stressed the separation of church and state... He instituted it in Virgina as the governor so I'd say he believed in it .Church having a say in government greatly often led to corruption and an undermining of civil government in the past. Also there were disputes over which denominations were right, etc... so the founders had this in mind when drawing up the constitution.  "

Do yourself a favor and re-read my post about the original intentions of seperation of church and state.


"As for the year of our lord and opening with a prayer, this was common place (I don't even think the idea of Common era had been invented)."

Clearly you know very little about our founding father, their faith, and its involvement in government.  I will not be your teacher on this topic, do the research yourself... try a google search, its NOT hard to find.


"Did you know Christmas wasn't made a federal holiday until 1870? Oh nos! Founding fathers!"

I fail to see your point and how it effects my argument that our founding father had deeply rooted spirituality and carried that spirituality into our government proceedings.


"Priest are having sex with little boys, Isn't that homo? and illegal according to to your bible?"

Yes, it is. Whats your point.  Do some research and discover the difference between Christianity and the Catholic church before you dribble out non-sense.


"All male monkey's are ungodly for playing with themselves(they need Jesus and the Bible)?"

FYI!! Animals are not humans!  Animals die and are nothing, they do not have a spirit.  So no, to answer your assinine question... animals do not need Jesus Christ and The Bible.


"teach your children that sex is evil and women are subservient",

I didn't say sex is evil you complete and utter empty-head, I said that it belongs in a marriage relationship.


"The bible/christianity/even religion in general is nothing more then general business. You have money and religion has something to sell to you. A bunch of made up stories to get you to fork over cash."

A good church will not pass and offering basket and beg for money.  My church does not stick a basket under people noses and we get mroe than adequate money from people donating of their own free-will.  You are also completely misinformed if you think the Bible is a business about making money.  Some churchs are about making money, but they are wrong in doing so and do not follow the teachings of the Bible.

"The idea that any one religon is better or the "true one", or for that matter, infallible is just rediculus. "

Your wrong, and if you had intellectual honesty and looked into the various religions you would clearly find all of them false.... except for Christianity, and the Bible.  I came to the Lord at 18 with eyes wide open, the facts are behind the Bible.  The Bible is perfect and without fault and always further proven by history and archaelogy.  There is only ONE God, and there is only ONE truth.  Christ died for your sins, acknoledge that and call on him as your savior and your sins (transgressions) will be forgiven, and eternity in heaven will await.

Romans 10:13 'Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'

To counter the flames ahead of time. If you don't like hearing about God and the Bible....deal with it, theres not much you can do besides engage in discussion, listen quietly, or whine.  Free speech does indeed go both ways, and theres plenty of BS that goes on I do not wish to hear about.

Back to the point, a game promoting masterbation should be banned for reasons previously stated.  

DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING TO IT.  

   

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« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2005, 11:02:05 AM »
It doesn't promote masturbation as previously stated...
I love how every Christian claims that all other religions are false - it is like their thing to do.  Maybe the 11th commandment or something...  Personally I find that all religions have aspects of social control.
Studying a couple of religions myself, I challenge you to analyze Islam as it is a lot more founded in sources than Christianity and I bet if you stop and think you really don't know anything about it...

Ah religion.  The cause of so much drama
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« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2005, 11:08:33 AM »
  I have studied Islam and the Koran. You.... have not. If you had you would realize what a bunch of non-sense it is. Go ahead, I challenge you..... pick it up and read it.  Please don't regurgitate the dribble you recieved from some other fool.  Investigate these things yourself.  If you want we can open up a whole other thread where I can utterly destroy the credibility of Islam both historically and through their own writings. It's not hard...


By the way, since you are obviously so knowledgeable of Islam please provide me with these reliable 'sources' you speak of.  I can't afford to base my faith on just your word.

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« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2005, 11:11:20 AM »
I have studied islam and the Qur'an.  It mentions Mary, it mentions Jesus, and God.  I agree utter nonsense.

As for sources, I might the Qur'an has an author and Muslims are very concious of the passing of the text whereas who wrote the Bible?  For somebody criticizing me getting 'my dribble' from some fool, I don't think you realize your hypocrisy.

EDIT: And just because people are disagree with you, doesn't mean they haven't read your post.
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« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2005, 11:21:12 AM »
    So let me get this straight.... if I decide I want to be a false prophet, rapist, murderer, pediphile (Mohammed) and I decide to write a book an include the names of Mary and Jesus... that would mean its credible?  This is how I understand your rationality.  

The Koran was written by various Arabs, edited multiple times to remove errors... all 400 years after the death of Jesus Christ for our sins.



The devoloper of Lapis stated that its a game about simulating female masterbation.  It should be banned... please refer to my previous arguments.

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« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2005, 11:24:00 AM »
Im sure religion debates were forbidden... omg, Lock, ban!!1

I personally think this is a neat game, its innovative, its content is interesting and explores something no game has ever explored, guys can learn from this, girls can learn too, and its no offensive or demeaning of the female gender, something very few games do. And of course, ShawnSt3r and everyone else who dislikes the game with their guts are completly able to not let their kids/family/themselves to play it or see it!! unbelievable!.

Not to mention, is great for all ages, for kids it would be just a puzzle game with a cute character, for grownups it would teach them something else, and something thats very important for all of us. Theres the "eeww" factor of playing it as a kid and later finding out its an orgasm simulator, but its similar to the "eew" factor of all of us when we actualy realize that our parents must had sex in oder to create us. In other words, no kid will be traumatized by this, thats impossible, its a game about rubing a damn fictional animal, just that.  



EDIT: ok now that I reread my post I see tht maybe my example is weird, but I still dont see the big deal here, sex is an integral part of our lives, we shouldnt have so much issues with the topic.  
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« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2005, 11:33:35 AM »
Well if you were completely unable to read and write prior to you just deciding this, I'd at least bat an eye lash. All religion is a leap of faith.  Your ignorance on Islam is evident just from the way you spell.  The Qur'an was actually not ever edited once it was collected and even its translation was resisted to maintain that things weren't lost in translation unlike say the Testaments.  Again, the Bible has no known author and I guarantee it was edited many more times then the Qur'an.

The game has no connection to masturbation unless you know its backstory.  As TMV and I said, it is more like a puzzle game about adaptibility involving a rabbit.  Why ban it?  Especially in light of much more seriously deprave video game themes?
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« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2005, 11:51:58 AM »
    Actually, spelling it Qur'an and Koran are both correct.  It is just the difference between the English spelling and the Arab spelling. Check your local book store and I guarantee you will find one titled "The Koran"


Odifiend, if you like, give me your e-mail addresses and I will provide you with the various historical sources proving how the Qur'an/Koran was edited multiple times.


"I guarantee it was edited many more times then the Qur'an."

You guarantee that huh.  Let me eplain something to you.  There are over 15,000 Biblical manuscripts and fragments of manuscripts that have been found.  (These manuscripts are the scriptures just not in the complete and collected form in the Bible).  The Dead Sea Scrolls are an example (the book of Isaiah).  

Many of these manuscripts date back to the second century! That is as close to the time of writing as you can get.  When the latin and western families of manuscripts are combined that are 99.9% in agreement. This means that all we have to do to check the authenticity of our current Bibles is to check them with these manuscripts.  This shows they have not been changed, or 'edited'.

Our current Bibles are NOT a translation of a translation of a translation.  Every time I new version is written its source is these manuscripts. So no, atleast in the more credible translations.... NOTHING is "lost in translation". That is a myth...

The Bible is the most provable text that exists on the face of the earth thanks to these manuscripts.


Here is proof of these manusripts compared to other historical texts.  

http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm