Topic: "the graphics...barely better than those on Gamecube"

[nemo_83]

This is from the latest EGM's rumor mill.

"During a recent powwow with a few wellknown gamemakers, some discussed their hands on time with early Rev dev kits. Ok here it goes: according to those fellas, the graphics that Nintendo's next gen system can produce are barely better than those on Gamecube"

flame on!  

[Hans Beckert]

Barely better than the Gamecube's graphics, huh? Coincidentally, so are the Xbox 360's. LOLOLOLLOL

[nemo_83]

I'm leaning heavily right now on the three times as powerful as the Cube quote.  360 already disappointed me with its visuals; I don't want the Revolution to do the same.

[Karl Castaneda #2]

No EGM bashing. Fer realz.

[Spak-Spang]

EGM is a pretty annoying magizine.

They completely botched up the GBA Gunstar Super Heros review, because they were judging it more on their memory of the first game, and not this game as a whole.

They actually gave points away because it didn't surpass their memory of the original.

I'm sorry, you judge games on their own merit only, not if they compete with a memory of the prior game.

Often times their articles are not Nintendo bashing, but are definately slated with the idea Nintendo isn't as good as the competition.

[nemo_83]

Its pretty common knowledge EAGM has its biases.  Most of their staff is in love with the PSP and seem in denial of the fact DS is giving it a spanking.  I still trust EGM and 1up more than most any other mag.  I'll tell you who has an anti Nintendo slant; GameInformer.

I trust EGM with their news (not so much with their reviews anymore which can range from a 4 to a 9 in the same review between editors).  

I am keeping hope this rumor is false.  In 1up's latest Revolution article one developer claims the console will be

much more powerful than GameCube.

[mantidor]

I think that the Rev being powerful is simply common sense, because of how technology advances. Barely above GC is just nonsense, unless Nintendo really is aiming at a $99 price point (or even less) which, again, defies common sense.

[Zach]

This defies all common sense, I dont believe nintendo would do that, but if they did I would be extremely PO'ed.  I mean if they are just going to make the rev slightly better than the GC, then they are pretty much making me dish out the money to buy a whole new console, for something that they could technically have done with a new controller for the cube.

[Urkel]

I would just like to point out that prior to E3 of this year, EGM was claiming that PS3 was "orders of magnitude" more powerful than Xbox 360. And they started acting like it was a fact. So... yeah.

[BiLdItUp1]

EGM is crap; and I somehow doubt they'd have the gaul to actually go out and screw us over by just rebadging the GC...

[StrainX]

Both EGM and Gameinformer are both anti-Nintendo from the day they were conceived.

[KDR_11k]

They completely botched up the GBA Gunstar Super Heros review, because they were judging it more on their memory of the first game, and not this game as a whole.
They actually gave points away because it didn't surpass their memory of the original.
I'm sorry, you judge games on their own merit only, not if they compete with a memory of the prior game.

If they did that it's indeed bad. I've played both at the same time (well, GFH first, got GH a day or two later) and IMO Gunstar Future Heroes easily surpasses its predecessor (except for the awful, awful Moon 2 Stage 1). Sure, it has no two-player mode but how many would use multiplayer on a GBA game like that?

Sure the graphics are barely better. So are the X360's and the PS3's. You need a few orders of magnitude more power to archieve a jump that qualifies as more than "barely".

[MrMojoRising]

I strongly agree with Nemo that GameInformer is utter crap.  EGM is alright, I still subscribe to it, but it seems to be slowly losing what trust I still had in it.  

1up is crap though, not only do they update half as much as normal web-sites, they have release dates that are off by months and never get fixed, half of their content is stolen straight from the magazine, and one time I tried to leave a comment at the bottom of an article like they let people do and they didn't post it because I said something about how it was "convienient" for them to make an article that was nothing more than an advertisement for people to buy their Playstaytion magazine.  What boobs they be.

[ThePerm]

i dont read magazines anymore

[mjbd]

This is peobably translated from someone saying that Rev's graphics wont be as good as the competition.  Nintendo has already said that the graphics will be close to the competiton unless you are playing on an HDTV.  Three times as powerfull as gamecube may not be as big a jump as we are used to , but its still a big one.  Can you imagine what Retro could do with a system three times as powerfull as gamecube?   Go back and take a look at games like Metroid Prime and RE4.  Bottom line is that we wont really know until we see some video of a game.  I am hoping to see a teaser video of Metroid in the near future, which I have no doubt will stunning.

[cubist]

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
i dont read magazines anymore

Amen to that.  

EGM was a reliable source in the days of the GENESIS and the SNES.  There wasn't any bias back then.  They were still throwing Nintendo some love with the Zelda cover and the E3 2002 Nintendo triple threat of Metroid, Super Mario Sunshine, and Wind Waker.   I had the unfortunate experience of having a Gamestop special of getting the GameInformer magazine.  I couldn't stand reading how mainstream it felt.  It was as if the writers for the magazine were spawned from the current generation of consoles in a popularity contest.  I agree with most here that Gameinformer is the anti-Nintendo magazine.

[stevey]

This just in, EGM's developer berely better than monkey!!!  

[Ian Sane]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Rev graphics are barely better than the Cube's.  First of all the Xbox 360 graphics don't have quite that big jump in quality we usually see from new generations.  It is clearly better but not so much that you're really wowed by it.  So even if the Rev is comparable to the competition there's not going to be that big of a jump.

And would anyone who has followed the Rev be even remotely surprised if this was true.  All the signs are there.  "Two of three times as powerful", the constant de-emphasis on hardware in speeches and interviews, the potential plan to NEVER reveal specs at all.  These are all pretty obvious signs that the Rev is going to be at best a marginal improvement over the Cube.

Though I agree that if we're just getting a glorified Cube with a new controller that we're getting a little ripped off.  I'd say the most I would pay for that would be $50 more than what a new Cube costs now.

[Don'tHate742]

I don't know about ya'll but I'm looking forward to everything but the graphics. I could care less if the graphics aren't that great. WindWaker is by far the slickest game to date (the sky at night is so damn beautiful) and I could definitely go for more of that. That said, I'd love to see how they could improve upon it. With the REV's power, they could add many more things on the water. There could a be a trade ship, some people stranded at sea, more animals (eg, a whale), and maybe even bigger islands with lakes in the middle of them.

[ThePerm]

acvtually, when i was plying perfect dark i was amazed how the graphics looked. I can't see how people really say that its not that much better..when what i saw was amazing me. This isweird because i'm the type of person who really picks things apart on detail.

however i hate dual analog!!!!! So the game played like crap as far as I was concerned.

as far as Nintendo not being as powerful as the competition...it allstems from a misqote from iwata. I watched the interview where he said "well, maybe our machine may not be the powerhouses as the other systems" which was then taken out of grave perportion and is now been taken to mean its only gamecube 2.0

the graphics will be comparable. Perfect Dark is a first gen x360 game and i thought it looked incredible. Which means its not really a representation of what games will look like.....but id be happy with just those graphics. I'm talkingb the levels at least...the chracter models weren't all thast great...the guns were though...oh wow did her hand animations look nice.

still as i said..the controlls sucked..i am looking forward to the next generation fo controlls.

And  ican't wait till we see prime 3 in multiplayer. The series is becominga shooter i suppose...but i know its going to be the best one when it comes out.

[Stimutacs Addict]

i played quake 4 on an HDTV and really thought it looked pretty damn good.

then I played it on a regular set and was surprised at the difference in the game on the different settings; I'm not impressed with the XBOX360 on regular TV sets...

I did the same with Perfect Dark Xero (hehe) and again noticed the differences in the textures and jaggy edges.  I need to spen more time with 360 (and so do developers) but right now I give it a meh out of 5

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I'd like to see Metroid Prime 3 NOT be the online multiplayer deathmatch shooter people like to mention.

I have not and will not touch mp2's multiplayer mode to date.

[Pale]

The fact of the matter is...

Expect the 360 and the PS3 to blow the Rev out of the water when hooked up to a 720* or 1080* tv because of the resolution difference...

Expect the Rev to look almost identical when hooked up to a traditional tv.

Much of MS's and Sony's added horsepower goes to drive the higher resolutions, thus evening the playing field when played on a standard def set.

360 Kiosks look great on their 20 inch LCD monitors, put plug it into a traditional 32 inch tube with no HD and you won't be near as impressed.

[ThePerm]

well heres the thing professional..the reason why mp2's multiplayer mode isnt so appealing is because of the controller setup..auto aim in multiplayer? No! However, with the new controller we might as well go the shooter route. This was probably planned all along by the evil genius of miyamoto. I mean he hinted at nintendogs and the freehand controller when pikmin was announced..sneaky bastard. He even said it was his idea to go first person with metroid...cus the game they were working on before hand was in third. I bet miyamoto is a hardcore first person maniac in real life...he's lying he says he never plays games.

i want a kickass single player Meroid and that shouldb e expected. First of all Retro is a great team..and now they have the freehand in their hands.
So...its got to be super awesome. Then along with that I want a multiplayer mode.

at the same time i want this multiplayer mode to be sort of an spinoff of the metroid universe...maybe even mixing it with the f-zero universe. Think!!!
Samas is a bounty hunter and so is captain falcon.

[Galford]

Question is define "barely".  Some people would consider 3 to 4 times more powerful to be "barely" more powerful then GC.  The article also states an early Rev kit.  Didn't Iwata state devs could start Rev development on GC dev kits???  This entire incident smells of bad journalism.

My God, did I just defend Nintendo???