Author Topic: Nintendo Wi-Fi Menu Details Exposed (Read 23276 times)

Artimus · « **Reply #25 on:** October 16, 2005, 09:03:30 AM »

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The point you are missing... There are two reasons someone would hack your wireless network...

1. They just want free internet.
2. They want to steal your personal information.

If they just want free internet, chances are they aren't gonna bother you much if it happens. Hell, if you are observant enough you woudl notice its happening and shut them out so they have to begin the process again. Also, if free internet is the case, assuming you live in any sort of populated area and are running WEP, chances are there is someone who isn't even securing their network. I live in a townhouse running WEP only, and my lappy can find 2 unsecured networks that I can connect to if I wanted.

The good thing about case 2 is you can know whether or not this is important. I mean... do you consistantly send private and vital information wirelessly? Think about someone actually getting on your network.. what can they find out? Man, they'd find out I'm a big PGC and Penny-Arcade fan... They'd also find out that I like to work on websites and games... Hmm... I guess what it comes down to is, do you have a reason to be this paranoid or do you just want to brag about how the 1337est of haxors coulnd't crack your mad security skillz? (I'm not talking to anyone specifically, just a general statment. I understand that I may not know how vital your network actually is.)

Probably worried about things like credit cards online and stuff. BUT...just buy the Nintendo key and have the best of both worlds!

31 Flavas · « **Reply #26 on:** October 16, 2005, 11:00:20 AM »

Uhm... well unless your sending your CC# to a website over a non-secured HTTP link, you've got little to worry about, WEP or not. And I don't store my CC# anywhere on my PC (let alone, in plain text). Are we going to yip about key loggers now?

Strell · « **Reply #27 on:** October 17, 2005, 05:40:03 AM »

Man, you try to write something informative for fellow forum members, and you get people who miss your point and ridicule the fact that you're trying to be helpful. The whole point was to educate and also show that the best solution is to get the adapter.

KDR: Maybe I shold have said alphanumeric, it just means 0-9, A-F. BTW you post on slashdot, aye? And there's a guy at another forum that I swear uses the same sig you have at /.

GG PGC forums, GG. Some of you need to grow the f*ck up.

Artimus · « **Reply #28 on:** October 17, 2005, 07:12:29 AM »

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Man, you try to write something informative for fellow forum members, and you get people who miss your point and ridicule the fact that you're trying to be helpful. The whole point was to educate and also show that the best solution is to get the adapter.

KDR: Maybe I shold have said alphanumeric, it just means 0-9, A-F. BTW you post on slashdot, aye? And there's a guy at another forum that I swear uses the same sig you have at /.

GG PGC forums, GG. Some of you need to grow the f*ck up.

Eh.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #29 on:** October 17, 2005, 10:21:23 AM »

I think you meant hexadecimal digits, then. Even though systems with a base > 10 use letters those are still digits and numbers.

Renny · « **Reply #30 on:** October 17, 2005, 11:06:50 AM »

'Article' link and subsequent discussion on BroadbandReports. Personally, I'll be setting up a seperate wireless network on the cheap, for just the DS. (I haven't yet found any info regarding the DS's TCP/IP abilities, but I suspect I'll need a dedicated AP.) I'm more concerned about the future: will the DS still only offer WEP in five years? WEP likely won't even be supported by then. The DS needs upgradeable security protocols or people will be relegated to using open hotspots.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #31 on:** October 17, 2005, 11:27:29 AM »

well, thankfully the wireless software appears to be on the cartridge so, an update should be painless

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #32 on:** October 17, 2005, 11:46:52 AM »

Except that we have no idea if the DS can implement WPA.

stevey · « **Reply #33 on:** October 17, 2005, 12:12:10 PM »

"well, thankfully the wireless software appears to be on the cartridge so, an update should be painless"

WHAT were did you get that from? Has there be any word on voice chat yet?

31 Flavas · « **Reply #34 on:** October 17, 2005, 02:27:14 PM »

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Originally posted by: Rennywill the DS still only offer WEP in five years? WEP likely won't even be supported by then.

Oh come off it. The DS won't be around in 5 years... Heck, we'll probably have a DS SP (or whatever) this time next year.

Bottom line, you really should not be using wireless *AT ALL* if your computer or network has extreamly critical privacy needs. I doubt your home PC has anything that critical on it. Just use the Nintendo adapter if you've got something to hide.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #35 on:** October 17, 2005, 02:39:17 PM »

Stevey, I haven't taken the time to find it yet, but if I recall correctly Craig from IGN was saying that it appeared to be cartridge based. (this is the problem with getting your nintendo news from too many sources, finding it after the fact)

If that's the case, couldn't updated software on a newer game provide WPA support? It was possible to flash the firmware of old wireless access points that supported WEP only, so I would think so.

Renny · « **Reply #36 on:** October 17, 2005, 02:58:31 PM »

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Originally posted by: Rennywill the DS still only offer WEP in five years? WEP likely won't even be supported by then.

Oh come off it. The DS won't be around in 5 years... Heck, we'll probably have a DS SP (or whatever) this time next year.

Bottom line, you really should not be using wireless *AT ALL* if your computer or network has extreamly critical privacy needs. I doubt your home PC has anything that critical on it. Just use the Nintendo adapter if you've got something to hide.

The DS will be around in 5 years in some form. The appearance of a 'DS SP' wouldn't change any functionality that would obsolete the older version, meaning whatever networking paradigm they establish with this DS is the one we're stuck with. Any updates to the wireless abilities of the DS will be contained in the games themselves, so it is potentially possible to make important updates to the DS's networking without obsoleting older hardware. However it isn't clear whether that actually is possible or going to happen if it's possible.

As far as home network security, yes that's the most primitive action you can take, though still useful: disable file sharing over a wireless network. But allowing any unauthorized access to your network is a security risk, even with file/printer sharing disabled. The problem Nintendo is creating is most annoying for people with a single, well-secured network. They should be interested in making going online easy for these people too. Instead they're punishing people who practice good networking security. But so is the rest of the industry, it seems.

Artimus · « **Reply #37 on:** October 17, 2005, 05:20:40 PM »

Nintendo DS wi-fi in every McDonalds in the nation.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/659/659005p1.html

31 Flavas · « **Reply #38 on:** October 17, 2005, 05:36:52 PM »

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The problem Nintendo is creating is most annoying for people with a single, well-secured network. They should be interested in making going online easy for these people too. Instead they're punishing people who practice good networking security. But so is the rest of the industry, it seems.

I agree that WPA should be far more adopted by now, but its not Nintendo's problem that it isn't. What i'm guess i'm trying to say is, at this point in time, practice good networking security where it's really necessary, but at home use what is flexible enough for all your devices. Like it or not we are still in a period where WPA support is spotty at best. In a home setting where wireless security is not so necessary, you're only hurting yourself if you won't use WEP.

Like you said, just make sure the PC's are locked up otherwise. I mean your Wireless signal is barely going to extend beyond the confines of your house and its not like you have anything to hide from the FBI, right? I doubt your home computer network has anything of value on it that would cause someone to crack your WEP and/or MAC filtering. If your home network really is important to keep secured, you're just going to have to bite the bullet and get a Buffalo adapter.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #39 on:** October 17, 2005, 05:44:45 PM »

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Nintendo DS wi-fi in every McDonalds in the nation.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/659/659005p1.html

Wow, that will cover just about everywhere. Now... how are they going to get that much equipment installed in every McDonalds? WiFi-wired McDonalds are pretty rare.

Renny · « **Reply #40 on:** October 17, 2005, 06:30:58 PM »

Well I'm not laying the blame solely at the feet of Nintendo, but I would feel a lot better if they made the effort to accomodate 'early adopters' of wireless technology. And the conspiracist in me says that going with WEP not only absolves them of having to adopt a more demanding technology, but also encourages people to seek out 'Nintendo pimped' WiFi spots like those at McDonald's or to buy their own Nintendo-branded USB AP. And as I said I'm more concerned for the future. There will come a point where WEP is entirely unacceptable by even Joe Blow home networking standards. Will Nintendo update then?

On a more positive note, those with a Ralink RT2500-based card can use the SoftAP/driver "cwcpsoftAP.exe" provided by Cnet (hey, they're good for something afterall) to bridge their PC to an internet connection as an infrastructure access point, meaning the DS won't have to be in adhoc mode (which it likely doesn't support). I haven't had a chance to test it with a DS, obviously, but if it conforms to spec it ought to work.

UncleBob · « **Reply #41 on:** October 17, 2005, 07:30:49 PM »

For those who haven't caught our whining on the DS board or didn't catch it in Artie's article he linked to, the Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Adapter is only going to be sold through Nintendo's online webstore.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #42 on:** October 17, 2005, 07:51:43 PM »

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For those who haven't caught our whining on the DS board or didn't catch it in Artie's article he linked to, the Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Adapter is only going to be sold through Nintendo's online webstore.

why is that such a problem? DS works with existing Wi-Fi networks and Wi-Fi routers are a dime a dozen. You really should NOT need the adapter except in the rare case of a WPA network or a wifi network were you have to connect to it with special software on a PC.

UncleBob · « **Reply #43 on:** October 17, 2005, 07:54:06 PM »

Or you're one of the many, many people who don't have a Wi-Fi router already and was really looking forward to Nintendo's Quick-and-Clean solution that they've been toting that was supposed to make going on-line "easy" and "for everyone"...

31 Flavas · « **Reply #44 on:** October 17, 2005, 08:04:00 PM »

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Or you're one of the many, many people who don't have a Wi-Fi router already and was really looking forward to Nintendo's Quick-and-Clean solution that they've been toting that was supposed to make going on-line "easy" and "for everyone"...

So then just order it on-line and be done with it. You don't think they'll include a flyer in the Online DS game box advertising the adapter? (Not unlike how every Nintendo game includes a subscription card for Nintendo Power?)

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #45 on:** October 17, 2005, 08:04:13 PM »

"Or you're one of the many, many people who don't have a Wi-Fi router already."

Fixed. Sorry, I'm getting sick of people here assuming everybody else cares about or follows what's said at Nintendo press conferences.

IceCold · « **Reply #46 on:** October 17, 2005, 08:34:49 PM »

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"Or you're one of the many, many people who don't have a Wi-Fi router already."

Fixed. Sorry, I'm getting sick of people here assuming everybody else cares about or follows what's said at Nintendo press conferences.

Sorry Paladin, I think you quoted the wrong thing, or you forgot to change it or something, but that's the exact same quote; it wasn't fixed.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #47 on:** October 17, 2005, 09:06:29 PM »

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Sorry Paladin, I think you quoted the wrong thing, or you forgot to change it or something, but that's the exact same quote; it wasn't fixed.

Truncation is a vaild form of editing....

While I agree with the truncated statement. It's rediculusly easy to fix, as Wireless G 4 port routers are now as cheap as $20. Which makes me believe that the Nintendo/Buffalo wireless adapter will be in the same ballpark. $20 - $30.

Artimus · « **Reply #48 on:** October 17, 2005, 09:10:23 PM »

I need the USB dongle for the 8 months of the year I'm in school because I can't use my router on the school network. It's actually really useful because I'll just plug it into my USB drive and then I can play online when I wouldn't otherwise be able to!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #49 on:** October 17, 2005, 09:17:17 PM »

Better get to the online store before other well-informed interwebbers do!

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Author Topic: Nintendo Wi-Fi Menu Details Exposed (Read 23276 times)