Topic: Spiderman 3 villains revealed

[nemo_83]

Church will play Sandman.

Grace will play Venom.  Expect him to simply look like the black symbiote Spiderman.  I doubt Raimi will do all that crazy teeth and tongue stuff.  The character will work thematically as a contrasting image against Spiderman.

Expect the opening quarter to focus on Hob Goblin leading into the symbiote story.  Could Raimi be planing for the origins of the powers of Sandman and Venom to be similar?  Could Raimi be moving to kill off Peter Parker allowing Venom to replace him as Spiderman in part 4?  Will the symbiote have some role in Connors transformation into the Lizard in part 4?

"We have really great people though as the villains in this film, Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace -- Venom and Sandman," said Dunst, who plays Mary Jane Watson in the Spidey films.

"Maybe I wasn't supposed to say that," she added before reversing her claim. "It's the other way around. You're right," she conceded to a journalist.

[Toruresu]

What? Sandman, Venom and Hob Goblin? This is too much for just one movie.

About Venom not having 'teeth and tongue stuff', he better have. It wouldn't be Venom if it didn't.

My question is, how do you fit all of this into one 2 hour movie? He fights Sandman, gets his butt kicked, finds the symbiote, fights Sandman again, beats him while Hob Goblin in the background does stuff, beats the Hob Goblin but he makes the symbiote go away (sonar gun or something?), he beats the Goblin, symbiote grabs Eddie Brock (or somebody else) and it goes Spiderman hunting?

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Toruresu
What? Sandman, Venom and Hob Goblin? This is too much for just one movie.

About Venom not having 'teeth and tongue stuff', he better have. It wouldn't be Venom if it didn't.

My question is, how do you fit all of this into one 2 hour movie? He fights Sandman, gets his butt kicked, finds the symbiote, fights Sandman again, beats him while Hob Goblin in the background does stuff, beats the Hob Goblin but he makes the symbiote go away (sonar gun or something?), he beats the Goblin, symbiote grabs Eddie Brock (or somebody else) and it goes Spiderman hunting?

I was thinking the same thing, but more like "He fights Sandman, gets his butt kicked, finds the symbiote, fights Sandman again, and beats him near to death while Hob Goblin in the background does stuff, has a major internal struggle with controlling the symbiote over the symbiote controlling him, fights the Hob Goblin and almost beats him to death(like the sandman) but he makes the symbiote go away (sonar gun or something?), the Goblin makes one last attack allowing the symbiote to escape, symbiote grabs Eddie Brock, and it goes Spiderman hunting."

I really hope Venom isn't actually in this one and that he only makes a setup appearance for Spiderman 4, yet the symbiote suit is used for actual used by spiderman, and that is where Spiderman's internal struggle of the film comes from. Because 3 major villians in one movie is a little much, Sandman & Hob Gobblin should be more than enough for Spiderman & a symbiote suit to take on.

[Toruresu]

Much better story than mine lol.

But yes, 3 enemies would make the movie rushed. But if the movie ends with Peter taking off the symbiote, and it taking Eddie, then we have Spiderman 4, wrath of Venom or something. THAT would be cool, then again, what of Harry Osborne? Unless they plan on making him the Hob Goblin instead of the Green Goblin 2.

[vudu]

Aw, com'on guys.  If there's anything Batman & Robin has taught us it's that you can squeeze three bad guys into a two hour movie.

[mantidor]

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Aw, com'on guys.  If there's anything Batman & Robin has taught us it's that squeezing three bad guys into a two hour movie can be disastrous.

fix'd

To be honest, there was a lot of crap going on in that movie than just the overnumbered villains, Uma Thruman was ok though.

The previous Spiderman movies were really nice, so Im really looking forward to this one.

[Toruresu]

Yup...that's why one of the greatest Batman villans became a guy who could only grunt and say "argh!"

Another Venom thing, he should talk in third person. "We......are Venom!" I really missed this in teh Marvel Nemesis game. Anyone knows whats happened to the venom third person voice? I stopped reading comics a LOOOONG time ago. Let me see what ark... Ahh yeah, the clone crisis. Last comic I have is Peter taking pictures of Ben Reilly (Scarlet Spider) fighting a Sentinel in New York... wait, this is after the clone crisis, what was it called?

Anyways...Peter had lost his powers, they were on and off, adn we all thought he was a clone, the comic ended when we see a dead Spiderman inside a long chimeney (sp?). Anyone knows what happened afterwards?

[Hostile Creation]

I loved the first two, they were hilarious.  Humor was the best part, though.
Fighting two villains at once should be incredibly cool.  Millions of dollars on special effects, woohoo.

[Ian Sane]

"If there's anything Batman & Robin has taught us it's that squeezing three bad guys into a two hour movie can be disastrous."

Exactly.  Batman & Robin SUCKED.  There's a reason why we waited so long for Batman to return to movies.

Even if they get it to work out it will be a total waste to use three major villians in one film.  They could make THREE MOVIES.  That's three times the ticket sales.  Comic book characters as old as Spider-Man have tons of great material to use.  If they don't do anything stupid they could make like 10 Spider-Man films without repeating any villians or similar story arcs.  Remember that Stan Lee used to have to crank out 12 Spider-Man stories a year.  There's material to spare.

The Hobgoblin storyline, provided that's the Harry Osbourne payoff, could easily last a whole movie.  Are they going to build that up over two films only for it to take the backseat to Venom?

And freaking Eric Foreman as Venom?  Huh?  Isn't Venom supposed to be like ripped and stuff?  Having a "Bizarro Spider-Man" where the villian is a scrawny runt as well isn't a bad story idea but this is going to be Venom in name only if they don't watch it.  Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus weren't exactly as they were in the comics but they were close.

Though personally I think the whole "alien symbiote from outerspace" idea is a little too out there for the established reality of the Spider-Man movies anyway.  Spider-Man, Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus are all the result of science gone wrong.  An alien is a little unbelievable in comparison.  In the comic weird supervillains with somewhat silly origins appear all the time but the movie seems to try to be a little more realistic.  Green Goblin for example wore armour because logically that makes way more sense than a goofy rubber mask for top secret weaponry.  They also made webbing a power because the idea of some high school kid making advanced web shooting technology is incredibly hard to believe.  Venom is a great character but I think they're stuck in a situation where they either have to do a major bastardization of Venom or have a pretty silly outerspace storyline that the mainstream non-comic reading audience would totally laugh at.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Ian, i was thinking the same thing about the whole "outer space alien symbiote" storyline too, but...

I was watching the making of Ultimate Spiderman on G4 and they said that in the Ultimate line of Spiderman comics the Venom symbiote was actually created in a lab as a sort of physical enhacement suit, but the suit's was trying to take over the host so they destroyed the suit. Well, they thoughtthey destoyed the suit, all but a little piece was actually destroyed. Since Eddie Brock's(i think) dad worked in the lab on the suit, he was the one that wanted to keep a piece of his life's work and ended up passing it on to his son.  That is how symbiote know as Venom was created, according to the special on G4.

I'm sure that they will use a similar storyline in the movie, but with Peter Parker getting the symbiote first, and Eddie Brock recieveing it after.  Besides that storyline would leave it open for Carnage being created as a more powerful suit meant to replace the the Venom suit later down the line.

carrot top as carnage in spiderman 6 or 7?

[kirby_killer_dedede]

The only logical outcome I can see from having 3 villains is that Kirsten has her way and Spidey's killed off.

[ThePerm]

actually i always  thatough t hat  topher  grace looked  alot like toby
Macgwire

[nemo_83]

venom is purple and the hobgoblin looks like a power ranger

If I could say anything to Sam Raimi it would be just say no to purple; for the sake of the franchise go with black.

[vudu]

It's not purple, it's Indigo!

[ThePerm]

lol  venom is gamecube colored?   Another thing...so  arent they  going  to  do  digital  effects  anyways..so wouldnt  a standout bright  color  be best  for  doing sfx  then  say  a black one?

[Djunknown]

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Well, they thoughtthey destoyed the suit, all but a little piece was actually destroyed. Since Eddie Brock's(i think) dad worked in the lab on the suit, he was the one that wanted to keep a piece of his life's work and ended up passing it on to his son. That is how symbiote know as Venom was created, according to the special on G4.

Pretty close. Before I go further I must make this Public Service Announcement:
Read Ultimate Spider Man. Best.Spider-man.Ever.

On topic, in the Ultimate storyline, it was Brock's dad as well as Peter Parker's who were working on this black substance.  Brock and Peter have a different relationship than you'd normally expect. I won't tell you here because for those who haven't read, it sounds like blasphemy. But trust me, read a couple volumes in the graphic novel section, and it'll make total sense.

I can't really take the 'scooper's' word for it about what Venom looks like, since they are no pictures. Plus I liked the designs of the original, whereas they've come to some consensus that the designs for the first one sucked. As Ian mentioned earlier, it'd be goofy if the Green Goblin was just a rubber suit.

Posssible idea to introduce Venom, movie style
Eddie Brock is a fellow student in Connor's class
Connor's is working on black substance
Parker has an 'accident' with said substance
Black Spider Man does his thing, until it becomes too much
The symbiote seperates, and by another accident, Brock becomes Venom

A bit rough, and maybe a bit goofy, but with a little tweaking, it could work...

[kirby_killer_dedede]

I saw the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.  That's the one where he lived with like that lady who had a son or something?  And...yeah.

[nemo_83]

"Posssible idea to introduce Venom, movie style
Eddie Brock is a fellow student in Connor's class
Connor's is working on black substance
Parker has an 'accident' with said substance
Black Spider Man does his thing, until it becomes too much
The symbiote seperates, and by another accident, Brock becomes Venom"

and then in part 4 Connors continues his experiments until he is transformed into the Lizard.

But why would they bring in Jameson's son if they don't plan to use the space storyline?

I was thinking it would be awesome if in a later movie the Hulk made an appearance as a villain at some point and as a friend later on.

We can begin a club.  GameCube owners against purple.    

[Ceric]

I didn't know this thread exsisted.  I was looking for the the trailer one.  Oh well.  They showed Venom off at Comic con really quick.  I was really hoping that Venom would be a really just the start character in this one and the 4th movie would be about him.  Blah.  This movie is going to have to be really long to do a good job.

[nickmitch]

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I saw the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.  That's the one where he lived with like that lady who had a son or something?  And...yeah.

Wasn't that Spider-man Unlimited?

[S-U-P-E-R]

Anybody that says the symbiote is from anywhere but the Beyonder's Battleworld is a liar