Author Topic: New SP with Micro quality screen? Man how did I miss this? (Read 15018 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #25 on:** September 22, 2005, 01:02:06 AM »

Yeah, the point of the Micro might be to make it clear that the GBA is still a contender and will still get new games despite the DS and PSP.

Artimus · « **Reply #26 on:** September 22, 2005, 04:27:58 AM »

Systems are ALWAYS updated. This is just as valid as being mad because a new colour came out or a price drop. Boo frickety hoo.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #27 on:** September 22, 2005, 04:51:37 AM »

Hey Ian, do you even play video games? Seriously dude, I have never seen a post from you that isn't some long winded LiveJournal style angst. =\

couchmonkey · « **Reply #28 on:** September 22, 2005, 05:59:39 AM »

*Agrees with Artimus.*

Adds: I'm GLAD I have a front-lit SP. The DS is hard as hell to play in the sun, which is where I do most of my portable gaming.

Djunknown · « **Reply #29 on:** September 22, 2005, 04:35:04 PM »

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This is just as valid as being mad because a new colour came out or a price drop.

Not so. A new color is an aesthetic issue. This is an issue of functionality. Nintendo revises an existing product that was deeme flawed from the get go. When the original GBA came out, the 3rd parties had a sub-market: various lighting instruments(Afterburner anyone?). When the SP came out, no doubt that business dwindled. But they were there to fix a flaw, a flaw that only after 4 years, Nintendo's addressed. It seems like Nintendo did a half-baked solution with frontlighting. This isnt' like patching a PC game which is free, this sort of 'patching' costs money.

The micro doesn't bother me too much, since Sony does that too with the PSX's, and for the same reason. But the SP mk. 2? C'mon now, that's a smack in the face.

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the only way the different versions of GBA's are ripping people off is when people are stupid enough to buy multiple versions of them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Japanese notorious for that sort of buying mentality?

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #30 on:** September 22, 2005, 05:28:16 PM »

I should think that relates back to the whole 'being stupid' thing.

Artimus · « **Reply #31 on:** September 22, 2005, 05:32:08 PM »

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This is just as valid as being mad because a new colour came out or a price drop.

Not so. A new color is an aesthetic issue. This is an issue of functionality. Nintendo revises an existing product that was deeme flawed from the get go. When the original GBA came out, the 3rd parties had a sub-market: various lighting instruments(Afterburner anyone?). When the SP came out, no doubt that business dwindled. But they were there to fix a flaw, a flaw that only after 4 years, Nintendo's addressed. It seems like Nintendo did a half-baked solution with frontlighting. This isnt' like patching a PC game which is free, this sort of 'patching' costs money.

The micro doesn't bother me too much, since Sony does that too with the PSX's, and for the same reason. But the SP mk. 2? C'mon now, that's a smack in the face.

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the only way the different versions of GBA's are ripping people off is when people are stupid enough to buy multiple versions of them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Japanese notorious for that sort of buying mentality?

Improvements in technology happen all the time. And no one is forcing you to buy the new ones.

darknight06 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 22, 2005, 05:51:19 PM »

This news was already a bit of a shock when I heard it earlier, but now I've finally got to see one of these suckers for real and... well I've only got one thing to say. The DS had BETTER get the screen upgrade as well. Seriously, right now the SP's screen looks so much brighter and more vibrant that the DS's screens look like GBColor in comparison. However the only drawback I've noticed on the new SP's is that the screen refresh rate is lower than GBA spec, more like the GBPocket. It isn't a deal breaker, but it will be noticable on faster moving games. Other than that, MAN IT'D BE CRIMINAL IF THE DS DIDN'T GET THESE SCREENS!!!!!

Bloodworth · « **Reply #33 on:** September 22, 2005, 08:27:28 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"And Ian, your views could apply to the iPod, but that seems to be doing well despite it's numerous transformations and revisions."

Different type of market.

What market is eager to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on a slightly new version of anything? These kinds of revisions mainly renew awareness in a product people may have been thinking of, but hadn't gotten yet, and a few will use the opportunity to change out their aging devices. At least it's not like the mobile phone market. My girlfriend had to spend $200 on a new phone because the old one (which isn't even 3 years old) won't recharge and there's no longer anyone selling the batteries for it.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #34 on:** September 22, 2005, 09:27:36 PM »

I wonder how much Ian would complain if Nintendo was like MS or Sony. The PS2 had how many revisions so far? 7 major? 8 major?

Pale · « **Reply #35 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:59:42 AM »

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However the only drawback I've noticed on the new SP's is that the screen refresh rate is lower than GBA spec, more like the GBPocket.

Are you basing this comment off of IGNs article? Is their proof or is IGN just "thinking" that teh refresh rate is less? (The ign article may answer this question, but I hate going to that site.)

darknight06 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 23, 2005, 05:26:16 AM »

No it's not just IGN, it's actually a notch lower. Street Fighter Alpha 3 GBA on Turbo 2 speed was a bit more blurry in movement when I was giving it a test run yesterday. I wouldn't call it a deal breaker, but it's something to keep in mind. As it stands right now the DS still has the best reaction time with the GBASP, Micro, and GBA at second, and the GBASP mkII at the lowest.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #37 on:** September 23, 2005, 05:46:23 AM »

You mean the reaction time is higher, refresh rate is the frequency at which the pixels get instructed to display certain colors. I've heard that the PSP's LCD is slow compared to the old SP, too.

Pale · « **Reply #38 on:** September 23, 2005, 07:34:15 AM »

Well I'm still interested in trading my old SP in on one of these new ones so that I can have the ultimate little system to maintain my original GB/GBC collection. This refresh rate thing has me a little concerned. If you've actually seen it in action, do you think you would have noticed had you not been looking for it? Personally, if you were buying an SP now, what would be more important, the refresh rate or the new brighter screen?

darknight06 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 23, 2005, 07:18:17 PM »

IMO yes, especially after you've played a fast game like Street Fighter Alpha 3 on the DS and then played it on the SP mkII. It's looks way more colorful on the SP, but blurrs less on the DS. In fact I've noticed on the DS with some GBA games how you can actually see a GBP like "frameskip" whereas on the GBA you didn't see it.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #40 on:** September 24, 2005, 09:22:08 PM »

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I wouldn't call the GBA dead just yet, I'd give it 1-2 more years. But I get Ian's point. ipod aside, this constant revision is getting old. When I traded in my original GBA, I only got 27 dollars for it, lighting device included. Granted this buffered my expense for an SP to a certain degree, but I'm not in the mood to do it again. I'm willing to bet I'll get less than 20 for my SP this time around...

well, EB doesn't give credit for added lighting mods, do they? I would have found a friend to pawn it off on for say $50. I'm sure they'd have been more then happy to just have a gba.

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Now I don't expect Nintendo to just let current owners 'upgrade' for nothing, but maybe offer an incentive. Maybe like send it back to Nintendo, you get a voucher to get the better SP up to 25-35 percent off. That sounds fair doesn't it? Won't happen though, Nintendo is hell-bent on making a profit.

You know the 'upgrades' are made to siphon more cash from existing customers, right? They usually are made to court new customers, ones that don't have a GBA yet. Kind of like, hey if you havn't already jumped on board, nows a great time, because we've got XYZ color now or ABC upgrade or new slimline version. If you've already have an SP you do not need this new version. Just like you don't need color XYZ.

If you HAVE to have color XYZ or the slim line or upgrade, find someone to sell your existing one to for $50. Do not trade it to EB/Gamestop they'll rip you off.

[off topic] While we're talking about screens, any tips on how to clean them? I'd rather not waste a thread on that topic. [/off topic]

Breath and a cotton t-shirt?

Pale · « **Reply #41 on:** September 25, 2005, 06:13:51 AM »

Both EB and Gamestop will give 30 bucks for an old SP.... I'm still trying to decide if its worth it.

Renny · « **Reply #42 on:** September 25, 2005, 10:37:23 AM »

eBay should get you at least $50 including your 'handling fee.'

UncleBob · « **Reply #43 on:** September 28, 2005, 03:16:27 PM »

If anyone has purchased one of the new GBASPs, would you mind checking and posting the "Hard Number" of the unit? (You know, the "model number" i.e.: NES-001, DOL-001, etc...)

kirby_killer_dedede · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2005, 05:19:36 AM »

I just want a DS with a brighter screen...bah

Mario · « **Reply #45 on:** October 05, 2005, 05:25:35 AM »

Why? The DS screen is perfectly fine.

kirby_killer_dedede · « **Reply #46 on:** October 05, 2005, 05:37:55 AM »

I know, but I feel ripped all the same.

darknight06 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 06, 2005, 04:50:29 AM »

Newer DS's with the exception of brightness more or less have the newer GBMicro screens in them.

kirby_killer_dedede · « **Reply #48 on:** October 06, 2005, 02:35:43 PM »

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Newer DS's with the exception of brightness more or less have the newer GBMicro screens in them.

What? The only difference between the GBMicro and DS screens is that GBMs' are brighter and smaller...what you said didn't even make sense...o_O

darknight06 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 06, 2005, 06:26:31 PM »

Now they are, but if you were to compare a launch DS with a micro, the Micro would beat it out in color saturation. Newer DS's have their color saturation set pretty much identically with what the Micro has now.
Right now this would be the third screen type I've seen on the DS.

Type 1: probably the brightest ones yet color is just passable.
Type 2: dimmer, color a little better but still kinda washed out looking.
Type 3 (current): brightened up a little bit again (not to the extent of type 1 though), leaves an afterimage
during shutdown like the GB screens before it, color saturation is better and when put side by
side to a micro only loses out due to not having a brighter setting.

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Author Topic: New SP with Micro quality screen? Man how did I miss this? (Read 15018 times)