Topic: The Official IWATAON Speech Thread

[kennyb27]

I know, this thread is crazy long--and only from basically 2.5 days of posts.

*points Mario to EDIT in previous post*

[wandering]

I doubt you were directing any of those comments at me, but, well, I'd like to respond to them anyway.

Regarding IGN....

IGN is made up of idiots, for the most part. That doesn't mean that they're wrong everytime they praise something, or wrong everytime they crticise something. It's just that their opinions tend to lack, you know, intellegence. Which leads them to crtisizing a game like Beach Spikers because the boobs don't bounce, or TWP because it uses 'antiquated' text instead of voice acting, etc.

I think the fact that they opened their minds to Revolution's controller, without critising the lack of buttons or making snide comments about the Revolution's perported inferior graphics capabilities, was suprising. And I think their positive comments are corraberated by what we already know about the controller, and what IGN has told us about how well it functions. So, coupled with good features like the one that visually demonstrated some control possibilities, I'd say their coverage of the controller unveiling was suprisingly good.

Their still a bunch of idiots, though.

Regarding EA.....

Everyone wants lots of 3rd party support. The fact that the unimaginative and evil EA says they like the controller and can work with the controller is good news, even for people who hate EA.

Regarding Zelda not being about adventuring instead of swinging a sword...

I'm honestly not sure I agree. Zelda, like many Nintendo games (and especially Miyamoto games) is about simulating experience. It's about putting you in the shoes of a boy who's heading out into the world for the first time, it's about making you feel like you are actually partaking in his journey as much as possible. When you play your Ocarina, you don't select the song you want to play form a menu... you actually push buttons that correspond to notes, just so that it feels, as much as possible, like you are playing a real ocarina.



 

[ShyGuy]

The Windwaker baton is going to be so much better, I always had a hard time with the C stick notes

[Dirk Temporo]

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
The Windwaker baton is going to be so much better, I always had a hard time with the C stick notes

o_0

MY GOD! I didn't even THINK of that!

[mantidor]

Yes! its like every game now suddenly has the potential to be even more awesome!

[Bill Aurion]

Hopefully this means they'll go back to a Wind Waker sequel... =D

[stevey]

I cant wait till nintendo show the games for the rev. nintenIwata go for a way to make you forget your playing a game.

[WuTangTurtle]

Man, E3 lines are going to be a B!tch.  Better have your DS, and enough snacks to fill 2 meals its going to be a long line.  Nintendo should just buy out the whole west hall so they could manage the line.

[Rancid Planet]

EA and IGN may be ignorant and foolish but they represent mainsteam gaming. To have them on board is to have mainstream gamers on board. Which is a good thing for Nintendo. It's time for Nintendo to win some critics over, in both the "business" side of the gaming world and the gamer side.

[kennyb27]

But EA has never said anything bad about the GC as far as I know (I know that's different than saying something good, but it seems that not saying anything at all can't hurt).  And IGN may have been critical, but I think the IGNCube editor has been mostly supportive of Nintendo (even though he has said some stupid things at times).

So, my point is neither of these have changed their position.  See what I mean, it's seems to me, at least, that everyone is just taking them a whole lot more seriously since they said these statements about the Revolution controller.

[Hostile Creation]

I for one still hate EA.  I try to ignore IGN, but they have some of the best coverage for the Revolution stuff (and seem optimistic, which is nice; no point in reading something that will only point out the flaws), so I give them that.
Other than that, my opinion of them remains unchanged.

[Rancid Planet]

I absolutely hate EA. And IGN, no real problems with them I just hate how overrated they are as a website.

And no, EA never really bashed Nintendo in the past, not with words anyway, and IGNcube...well they ARE the Nintendo section of IGN. I mean Matt is kind of a dumbass but I could say way worse things about many of his fellow IGNers.

I don't really care what EA, IGN or anyone else SAY about the Rev. It's really about the longterm here. EA need to stop raining on Nintendo's parade and port over everything. IGN, just so long as they don't invest too much energy into bashing the Rev, we should be fine. But as I said, EA are the generic mainstream developer and IGN are the generic mainstream website. So having them say positive things at the moment is doing nothing but helping out Nintendo's cause.

[Artimus]

Yeah, say what you will about Matt he's not even comparable to the stupidity of the other sections. He actually plays and is familiar with all systems. Ever hear the PS2 or XBOX guys talk about other systems? It's basically every moronic statement you can think up. I should mention Craig from handhelds is good too.

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: Artimus
Yeah, say what you will about Matt he's not even comparable to the stupidity of the other sections. He actually plays and is familiar with all systems. Ever hear the PS2 or XBOX guys talk about other systems? It's basically every moronic statement you can think up. I should mention Craig from handhelds is good too.

I know. While I have my issues with Matt, whenever anyone starts in about his lesser qualities I like to mention how the PS2 and XBOX section staff act like 13 year old fanboys instead of profressionals. Matt comes down on Nintendo sometimes but he's just trying to appear objective. The other guys don't care how biased they sound.

My only issues with Matt have to do with his tendencies to act like he knows some "secret info" that there is no way he knows.

[wandering]

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PS2 and XBOX section staff act like 13 year old fanboys instead of profressionals. Matt comes down on Nintendo sometimes but he's just trying to appear objective. The other guys don't care how biased they sound.

Actually, one of the reasons I was looking forward to Nintendo teaming up with gamespy was that I thought it might put Nintendo on more equal footing when it came to the, ahem, financial contributions department. I think ign's positive coverage of rev's controller might be an early sign that their partnership will indeed pay off for Nintendo.

What's that, you say? You think I'm implying that ign is bribed by Microsoft and Sony? Don't be ridiculous!

[mantidor]

If anyone has any doubt basically everyone who has tried the controller has only said good things, so even if ign is being "bribed" the other sites arent, even gameinformer liked it!

[wandering]

Oh, I don't doubt that the controller is good.

But I do wonder, if Nintendo wasn't in a financial aragement with ign, whether ign would've dissented and talked about how awkward the controller was, and how it didn't have enough buttons, etc.

Or I am just being way too cynical here?

[PaLaDiN]

Has G4 tried the controller? I heard they didn't like it very much.

[Switchblade Cross]

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Originally posted by: wandering
Oh, I don't doubt that the controller is good.

But I do wonder, if Nintendo wasn't in a financial aragement with ign, whether ign would've dissented and talked about how awkward the controller was, and how it didn't have enough buttons, etc.

Or I am just being way too cynical here?

Well, IGN hasent suspiciously gone back and changed their review of crappy FOX games and they havent been rainting and raving over DVDs that diden't deserve it.  Just because FOX OWNS IGN that dosent mean they give their products special treatment.  I see the Nintendo thing no diffrent.

I'm not deathly inlove with the Xbox just because I use Windows...

Come on, people can keep their objectivity.  If they give preferential treatment then they will compromise journalistic integrity, which is bad for them in the end...

[wandering]

IGN? Journalistic integrity?
I don't think they have any left to lose

[stevey]

"Has G4 tried the controller? I heard they didn't like it very much. "

reggie:with our big showing of the controller we had...

kevin(the evil infidel that make fun of nintendo that I GOING TO KILL!):what showing?

reggie: you don't know HA HA HA (reggie kickes kevin butt)

[couchmonkey]

Matt was running his scurvy mouth about Nintendo for months and then he slowly but surely changed his mind, I 'ave no doubt that he was converted by the power of the Revolution.

[Rancid Planet]

G4 never likes anything. It's their way of looking "objective" without putting any though into their opinions.

[Jhiando]

Man I just read every freakin' post here ! I really wanted to see what Planet Gamecube posters had to say.  God I hate how these forums work ...  Anyway I've been on these boards for a very long time, was on the previous Planet Gamecube board ( I remember DR GAKMAN - remember him? ) , etc. I own an Xbox, Gamecube and an Alienware Aurora FX -53 PC. I am not an Xbox fanboy , Nintendo fanboy but I do prefer PC games. I told people here about Jean Gray dying in X2 before it was released ( i work in the motion picture industry ). I told everyone here that Splinter Cell on Xbox was going to outsell Metroid Prime ( all the other Planet Gamecubers thought I was nuts / dead wrong ). I told everyone here  the Xbox was going to be number #2 and Gamecube #3 ( you can guess what most forum posters said to that ).

Anyway my 2 cents ( this is a forum after all ).... NINTENDO HAS FREAKIN' LOST IT's MIND ! They lost it by putting a figurative gun to it's head in the form of this controller and blown it's brains out. My prediction this time ( like some of the other times I've gone out on a limb and posted them here - got flamed for posting critical Nintendo posts ) ... Revolution is worse than the Gamecube in user base. That controller is a revolution and it's playability maybe be revoltuionary / fun whatever BUT this Revolution will be a massive failure. It will go down in flames. YES the die hard Nintendo fanboy fanatic will still buy it  BUT Nintendo will lose some of the mainstream gamers who bought a Gamecube last generation... they will not gain them this generation. They won't be #1 ( I think Microsoft might actually pull it off this time ) and it won't be #2 ( again Xbox 360 or PS3 )... but it will be in an even worse third place position. Of course Nintendo being Nintendo - they will probably still be profittable.
I do think that there will definitely be some great games which take advantage of that controller ... BUT  I think that controller should have be an add on controller like the Donkey Konga drum set or something.

Anyway mark this prediction along with the others I have made and become true. In one to two years time we will all know who is right or wrong. Now I will put on my flame proof suit of armor....  

[Hostile Creation]

And you're right because you spoiled the ending of a movie?