Topic: The Official IWATAON Speech Thread

[stevey]

I wish nintendo kept the black for the rev white is so ugly, everyone hate white

[Spak-Spang]

I have really been wrapping my brain around the possibilities of this new controller and the difficulties.  

What I have decided is that simply put the Revolution needs to come with a controller with all the absolute accessories needed for gaming.

Meaning I expect, and demand the Revolution to be packaged with the Analog Button, and the more traditional controller shell inside the package.  (I will be lienant on the Controller shell IF Nintendo adds 4 face buttons to the Wand for playing SNES games, and I guess the shoulder buttons.)

Then Nintendo needs to package extra controllers with all these accessories.  So basically even Controller is these three basic elements combined.  This would create a much more structured enviroment for the Revolution and allow for developers to have a solid foundation on what all players will have when designing games...specially multiplayer games.

Revolution gamers will have:
A Traditional Controler
A Revolution Wand
An Analog Stick Attachment

And buying a new controller gives players all these functions.  

I believe Nintendo can do this and completely match Microsofts price point with there controllers.  And I think that would be fair.

Additional Attachments could then be bought seperate and packaged into special games.

What do you guys think?

[Ian Sane]

"We're talking about a little tiny thing. Not the console, that goes anywhere. A little tiny object that communicates with the controller and the Rev wirelessly."

I didn't know how big.  People are talking about positioning stuff and I thought of a potential issue with that sort of thing.  Someone suggests the stand as being one of the positioning thingys.  Well we all know what goes in the stand.

Even little things could be a pain depending on one's arrangement.  How accurate are these things?  If somebody touches it and moves it over an inch does the game go all wacky on me?  Is this going to be like having rabbit ears for a console?  I don't want to have to bust out measuring tape just to set up a console.  Where do I have to sit?  Where do the other players have to sit?  Those are big issues.  If everyone has to sit really close to each other for example multiplayer is going to lose a fair bit of its appeal.  Do I have to move everything around if I want to switch from the couch to the floor?

Right now I just pop a game in, turn the console on, and sit whereever I want in whatever position I want.  Can I still do that?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I really want to see what Nintendo can do with next-gen cel-shading.

[Spak-Spang]

Ian: I agree that it could be a problem with the size and how well designed it is.  The Revolution is going to require a more liberal amount of space and some positioning other systems haven't before...but it all depends on how well Nintendo has designed this system and control scheme.

Hopefully, it won't be too much of a problem, but right now it appears well worth the extra effort.

This is literally the first time a single system controller has opened up the door to create all those unique and special arcade experiences at home.

I can't wait for dance game that requires you to move your hands and feet to dance your night away.

[Spak-Spang]

Stevey:  You would really deny yourself a video system because of a color?  That sounds like the stupid talk of not buying a Gamecube because it was purple.

Don't worry the Revolution will most likely be released in White and Black with equal amounts of both colors in the US.  Now, my question is about other colors.  I love the idea of having multiple color wands, but I also want multiple color attachments to help organize and keep my controls seperated.  Your Controller is Red and so is your Analog Stick...so this one must be mine.

[Artimus]

Let's see...Nintendo...a company trying to make games more accessable and less intimidating...makes their new console so sensitive that you have to position a censor (wired to the console) within a mm of accuracy. If it moves your system will then explode, killing all the women in the world and nuking Jupiter.

Yes. Good point.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

My analog stikk is not your analog stikk.  Hands off.

[wandering]

"I expect, and demand the Revolution to be packaged with the Analog Button, and the more traditional controller shell inside the package." -Spak-Spang

Yeah, Nintendo should probably do that.

I'm just really not sure about this whole multiple controller extensions thing....could get really confusing for the consumer. Sure, when playing the DS you have to switch between the touch screen and the buttons. But here, you actually have to set up your controller to different specifications, depending on the game.

And having to drag along 3+ controllers along, PER PERSON, when transporting the REV about town, will get really annoying.

Which is why I'm thinking there should be only one 'standard' extension: the nunchunk. All other extensions should be niche and not required for the majority of games.

"Right now I just pop a game in, turn the console on, and sit whereever I want in whatever position I want. Can I still do that?" -IanSane

Knowing Nintendo, probably. I'm guessing the only inconveince is that, when first setting up the REV, you'll have to place a small device on your TV in addition to plugging the REV into TV and wall. And that wouldn't be much of an incovenience at all.  

[vudu]

Ian - You'll probably just have to recalibrate the controller when you move.  Didn't you even use a Super Scope 6 for the SNES?  When you turn it on you shoot at 3 different points on the screen.  The SNES assumes you aimed at the spots and calibrates the gun accordingly.  If you moved while playing, you would bring up the menu and recalibrate.

As far as the Revolution controller goes, I'm thinking you press the Home key and it auto-calibrates.

[wandering]

"You'll probably just have to recalibrate the controller when you move."

I hope not, that would really suck.

People move all over the place in the controller video, though, so I'm not that worried

[Spak-Spang]

Wandering:  You bring up good points there...but how often will we be dragging our system places now that online multiplayer is around.

In fact, the more I see the controller I am worried about 4 player multiplayer games.  The 4 player Split Screen system seems like it won't work for this controller.  Specially with First Person Shooters.

Now, you also bring up a good point about confusing gamers with so many attachments...but 3 standard attachments aren't too many...specially when you are at most using 2 of them.  Besides, it is more important to make the console appear developer friendly with the convential controller understood to be available to every gamer, and the Analog Button available for every gamer.  

The other attachments I agree should be niche and less worried about.

[ShyGuy]

Stevey you're racist!!

I'd like them to change the colors of the buttons on the wand, not necessarily gamecube colors, but a different shade to make them stand out. Just a minor asthetic quibble.

[Spak-Spang]

ShyGuy: I could live with that.  I really like the skin mockup they have with 4 buttons below that appear to be like the SNES buttons.  But I just want to play with it no matter what.

By the way, I demand a new Luigi's Mansion game with this controller!!!!

[KnowsNothing]

Asthetically I honestly think the Rev controller is the hottest out there.  Check out this and this.  Every single color looks hot.  The A button is downright arousing.

Spak- I'm not sure what you mean....How would split screen not work?

[wandering]

"but how often will we be dragging our system places now that online multiplayer is around."

Playing with people that are right beside you is always more fun, IMO.

Besides, I don't know about you, but that controller video made me really excited about the possibilities of single-tv multiplayer gaming. Didn't that co-op horror game look like it could be the coolest thing ever?

As for the split-screen problem, some of the best multiplayer games are single-screen (see: super smash bros.) Sure, traditional fpses and other deathmatches might not work, but you could still have co-op on-rails shooters, for example.


Now, you also bring up a good point about confusing gamers with so many attachments...but 3 standard attachments aren't too many

I guess. And it IS nice to have all your bases covered.
Personally, though, I'm going to hope that the classic controller won't be used for anything except classic download games.
I mean, really, why on earth would any developer opt out of free-hand motion control for 2 extra buttons and a stick?  

[Fro]

Since the controller is multifunctional, split screen FPSes still work, you just would move the controller like an analog stick instead of "pointing" on the screen where you want to shoot.

[mantidor]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
A quick note to Mantidor about him being a lefty: just switch the controllers and you can use the wand (that's what I'm calling it) on your left hand and the other thingamajig on your right, I don't see any barrier with this controller in fact it must be the most ergonomic ever for any hand use, you will see that in the video several people used the left hand to use the wand, oh and the attachment with the analogue stick looks like it can be used by either left or right hand so I think you will be alright.

Yeah I realised that after looking closely, but the original screenshots led me to believe the analog atachment was ergonomically design for the left hand, not any hand, I suppose it molded so perfectly with the left hand that I somehow thought that.

[Galford]

Now that I've heard that Nintendo is making a clam shell for the Rev controller, I'm not quite so nuclear.
It also sounds like Nintendo is making the Nunchuck add-on standard for the pack-in.

I want to see a real game played on this thing, not some demos.

Nintendo's first gen of Rev software really must show how this will work or
many people will label it as gimmicky.

[stevey]

"many people will label it as gimmicky."

It's not gimmicky the 360 controller is gimmicky with it on button

[kennyb27]

Well, after driving the past two days and being away from a computer, this thread has quite grown (I think I had to read 9 pages of 30 posts each to catch up), and as I suspected, some people have taken what I said and ran the wrong way with it.

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Not impressed at all.

Good for you, I'm glad you made your decision on it before you could try it for yourself...

You know, Bill, I could say the same thing about you, you just saw images of it and were very impressed.  Don't our initial impressions form our INITIAL opinions?  Just because the first time I saw it, I didn't have the same positive reaction as you, means that I can't talk about it, but you can?  I wasn't saying I went to TGS and tried it and didn't like it.  I'm saying that what hit my mind (which is by the way the definition of impression) when I saw it was initially...it wasn't negative...let's just say not entirely positive.

Oh, and I have to ask everyone who talked about EA, is it comfortable on that bandwagon?  Because for the past two months, you have been torching EA's decisions and every game they make, and now all of a sudden, you jump on the bandwagon because EA says some positive things about Nintendo's new console (like Ian said, they have to say that, they want their games to sell on it and if they don't say that, the games won't--it doesn't mean they really are excited).

What about the IGN bandwagon too?  I mean that's all I hear on this board, is how IGN sucks and are biased, but after their positive HANDS-ON impressions of the controller, IGN is right and we have to hold them up as exemplary. (Tut, tut, Grey Ninja would not be happy with ya'll).

Now time for me to state some of my recent feelings, I can't help but agree with alot that was said by Ian, Manti, and by the guys in the recent addition of Blah Blah Blah.  I do see alot of potential, but I want to see something that will justify Nintendo's going to this type of controller.  Like someone said in this thread, I don't think Zelda is about swinging a sword, that sword is just a vehicle to the point of the game: an epic adventure.  I don't think Mario is about flicking the controller to jump, I think jumping is just a part of the experience.  

I have, however, warmed up to the idea of the controller, I'm just going to wait and see how Nintendo uses it in their games (which will in turn, form the way third parties look at the idea).  

[Bill Aurion]

You know, Bill, I could say the same thing about you, you just saw images of it and were very impressed. Don't our initial impressions form our INITIAL opinions?

Yes, I am INITIALLY impressed...The idea for the Revolution is POTENTIALLY awesome...Does that mean I'll finally like the end product?  Of course not, but I am willing to trust Nintendo for the time being and I'm willing to actually try the thing out...HOWEVER, saying that you aren't impressed and that you won't be buying/trying a Revolution because of that initial impression is flawed...You understand?

Oh, and you probably weren't pointing the EA/IGN comments at me, but I've only pointed out the EA comments to prove that the support will be there (which isn't even needed anymore now that we know that there's a traditional control setup)...

[Mario]

It's pretty sad that you're making Bill look like the bad guy here because he's HAPPY and excited about the Nintendo Revolution.

[kennyb27]

I never said that I wouldn't be buying it though.  I said this:

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All I can say is that this may be the first time Nintendo has some serious convincing to do for me, at least, when it comes to selling me a console.

Meaning: I would have to be convinced some more that I like the direction Nintendo is heading.  We haven't seen a game demo yet, I want to see what it's like before I'm ready for fork over 300 dollars for a system and a couple games.  

And you're right, I wasn't pointing the EA/IGN comments at you.  Like I said, I read 9 pages of this thread in a 45 minute span and that was the feeling that I got from a lot of people, I just thought it was very interesting considering the view of mostly everyone on this forum normally.

EDIT: Mario, I'm not making anyone (especially Bill) look like the bad guy.  I'm one that loves reading yours and Bill's posts normally because it's refreshing to read someone who can find the silver lining in the sometimes "the world against Nintendo" philosophy and I think everyone that reads the forums semi-often knows that.  I was pointing out something that I thought was flawed in his assessment of what I said.  I'm glad there are people who are "HAPPY and excited about the Nintendo Revolution."  I WANT Nintendo to succeed, I love playing Mario and Zelda and Metroid.  If there weren't people like Bill, then Nintendo wouldn't exist.  I'm just not as convinced as Bill and you are yet.  What can I say, I'm less of an optimist.

[Bill Aurion]

If you are still willing to try the system, I take back what I said...I've seen a lot of posts from people that say they aren't buying a Revolution based off their initial impression, and I probably just assumed you were doing the same...(geez, that was like 10 pages back)