Topic: The Official IWATAON Speech Thread

[ShyGuy]

I hope they are.  rev controller, analog stick, and traditional shell along with a demo disc and coupon for a free classic game download, that would be perfect.

[couchmonkey]

The controller:

Good:
- Very happy to hear about the traditional controller attachment - my worries about third party support are all but gone (Nintendo still has to overcome the usual problems of third party support, but at least the controller isn't as likely to count against them).
- Having the remote controller all by itself is Nintendo's doorway to the non-gamer crowd: I guarantee you that Nintendo will release games that use only the remote controller.  I know a lot of people are skeptical about the non-gamer crowd, even I am...but I do believe Nintendo is right when it claims that current controllers are too much for that crowd.  Many of the non-gamers I know are much more comfortable playing NES games than anything else, because the controller is so simple.
- This is going to allow for some awesome games.  Several existing genres like FPS', RPGs and sports will benefit greatly from this controller.

Bad:
- Nintendo has to be careful about how they sell this thing.  Too many attachments will turn people off, I hope Nintendo comes up with about 3 basic attachments that cover all of the major possiblities, and I hope that attachments are CHEAP.  I also think Nintendo should consider bundling all the important attachments with the system, and possibly selling remote controller bundles that come with all of the attachments.  Nintendo can sell them separately too, but don't make me buy 20 separate parts to put together a multiplayer game system that covers all of the bases.
- The same concept that makes the system accessible to non-gamers will make it scary for them.  The remote controller on its own isn't scary, but throw in a bunch of attachments and it may be even more of a turn-off than traditional controllers.
- Where are the games?  Nintendo must have an outstanding launch lineup to sell this thing.  The DS is finally showing it's full potential, but it took several months to get there.  Nintendo won't be first out of the gates, and it isn't the most popular home console manufacturer, so a few great games are a must.  On the upside, the fact that Nintendo didn't show us anything may mean the games are going to blow my skeevy little mind.  I sure hope so!

Ugly:
- Why does everyone thing Apple is so great at designing things?  The remote controller does look just like an Apple product: boring and ugly.  Just a stupid opinion, though, who cares?

Edit: added one point.

[Don'tHate742]

That would be the greatest package for a game system ever. I could see it flying off shelves especially after "word of mouth" kicks in.

Really, all Nintendo needs is a "halo" of sorts. Make a fantastically immersive, mature, yet Nintendo style FPS (read: not FPA ala Metriod...although that will be the s**t too!) and Nintendo could gain a large part of the Xbox fanbase. They won't shift entirely, instead, if the REV is at a cheap price point, they'll pick it up as a second console.

If everybody picks it up as a second console, and those non-gamers pick it up as a first....Nintendo could quite possibly recapture the gaming scene once again.

Like I said though: This will only happen if they have the software to prove the interface worthy of mass amounts of fun, and an incredible "bang for your buck"  or mass-market friendly package to launch with.  

[Don'tHate742]

^^^^^^^^^^
 

[Artimus]

Am I the only one who is totally against there being other more traditional controller designs?

[Bill Aurion]

I am to a point (since I'm rather tired of the traditional setup), but it'll keep our 3rd party support, and that's important...

[Artimus]

In a perfect world the third parties would get off their lazy asses and use this. Can you imagine something like Katamary Damacy on this? (speaking of which, there's a PSP one now...no DS) Imagine Splinter Cell! Imagine the precision of all your tools. FPS...RPG...sports! There's no genre I can think of where this wouldn't make the games more intuitive. It's a pity developers have to make what the money goes to, because each game seems to be a version of another lately. Which is ok, but how many times can you reinvent the same game?

[Cap]

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Originally posted by: Artimus
There's no genre I can think of where this wouldn't make the games more intuitive.

I have to agree. For months i've been doubting that nintendo could come up with something to get me excited about games again, but they've done it. I like it. If developers give this thing a chance i cant even begin to imagine what could be done with it, and it seems to me that if the effort was put forth, most(there would be exceptions) third party games would port over quite well(or possibly better in some cases).

[wandering]

I agree as well. I’ve slept on the controller design and my doubts have pretty much faded away.

Here are a few things for the nay-sayers to consider:

The pointer-analog setup will be standard. Most games will use this setup. Newbie games will use nothing but the pointer, and a select few wacky games will use a custom controller extension.

The controller has N64 functionality + motion sensors. Apart from the N64’s mostly useless D-pad, this controller has everything the N64’s did.

’Epic games will not work with this!’ is baloney. Zelda will work spectacularly.
Imagine: your left hand controls Link. Analog moves, L1 performs context sensitive actions, L2 lock onto enemies. Your right hand controls what Link is holding. A will draw your sword, B will raise your shield, and the d-pad will select other items. Then, you will control items with movement: you’ll flick to throw a deku seed, swing to swing your sword, move the controller around to look around with a lantern in dark places, etc.

The motion sensor makes up for lost functionality Fighters will henceforth be controlled by flicking your wrist. And it will be awesome.

2 pointers can be used at once, one in each hand. Does the functionality never cease?

I’ve come to the conclusion that this controller is very functional, and will, in fact, rock your world. I hope you folks come to the same.
 

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: Rancid Planet

So bottom line, the controller RAWKS. The naysayers are TEH SUK and Nintendo just totally energized me about games all over again. I didn't think they could do that but they did. I should have known better than to doubt their courage. So in apology I will simply BELIEVE IN THEM enough to think that they will address the few major issues that are apparent with their little controller in due time and that all we be right upon the system's realese.

And I was right to believe in them. The "Standard gaming" controller they are releasing is my proof. I knew Nintendo wouldn't shut out third parties like that.
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My original post is still the best one in this whole thread. Eat it suckers!

[vudu]

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I can't understand why people can't see sports games with this controller. They'll be so immersive...just really, the possibilities are so far out there right now, I have trouble trying to form an adequate explanation...

I totally want to be able to tape two controllers to my feet to play FIFA 2006.  That would ROCK

I also think Nintendo should include the original Super Mario Bros and Duck Hunt with the Revolution.  If nothing else, it would be pretty funny.

[trip1eX]

I remember Miyamoto saying that he wasn't sure whether the d-pad or the analog stick was better.  I think he was about the remote controller.  They went with the d-pad.

[Don'tHate742]

They couldn't find any middle ground?

Haven't they seen the analogue stick that instead of tilting in all directions, slides in a nice circular sort of pit? That would have been a much better option than the D-pad.

Meh...oh well it's nothing to really bitch about....

[Hostile Creation]

The D-Pad can be used as buttons, you tards.  In most cases I doubt it'll even be used for movement (either the analog peripheral or moving the remote itself will be).

[Stimutacs Addict]

its a bummer that every game released for this console will HAVE to use that controller....

then again that controller kicks some wicked ass

[Bill Aurion]

Who said every game needs to use the controller?  That's absolutely not true...

[The Omen]

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Ugly:
- Why does everyone thing Apple is so great at designing things? The remote controller does look just like an Apple product: boring and ugly. Just a stupid opinion, though, who cares?

Apple has that sleek, minimalist futuristic 'A Clockwork Orange' style down pat.  People dig dystopian/utopian designs.  Nintendo's Revolution looks as though it could be in THX 1138 and the imagined future of society.   It's just cool.

[vudu]

Here's a quick thought ... Has Nintendo specifically stated what/where the detector(s) for the motion-sensor will be located?  It it possible that (at least one of them) they're in the base of the Revolution stand?

[Artimus]

Goes on the TV.

[couchmonkey]

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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Ugly:
- Why does everyone thing Apple is so great at designing things? The remote controller does look just like an Apple product: boring and ugly. Just a stupid opinion, though, who cares?

Apple has that sleek, minimalist futuristic 'A Clockwork Orange' style down pat.  People dig dystopian/utopian designs.  Nintendo's Revolution looks as though it could be in THX 1138 and the imagined future of society.   It's just cool.

Yeah, I know why people like it.  I just don't.  Actually, I liked iMacs back in the day because they added some colour to the world of computers.  In spite of my whining, I think the design is smart because it makes Revolution look "cool".

Nintendo: please give me an indigo Rev so I can place it next to my GameCube.  I know I don't need my GameCube anymore after the Revolution is announced, but I'm going to keep it anyway.  I plan to buy a coloured Revolution because the white/grey/black ones are so boring, but that funky retro green one is sooo going to clash with indigo.

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: Artimus
Goes on the TV.

What do you mean?  Physically on top of the TV?  Or on the screen?  What if I want to put it under my TV?  Or next to?  Elaborate, please.

[Artimus]

Nintendo said they are working on location. But you put it above or below your tv.

[Ian Sane]

It's kind of an annoying restriction if I have to position things about my TV just so.  I don't play games in a big empty room.  Adding a new console to an already crowded entertainment system is a bit of a challenge so a console that is picky about where is sits in relation to the TV is very inconvenient.

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's kind of an annoying restriction if I have to position things about my TV just so.  I don't play games in a big empty room.  Adding a new console to an already crowded entertainment system is a bit of a challenge so a console that is picky about where is sits in relation to the TV is very inconvenient.

You are so totally idiotic at times it's really quite refreshing. I bet Guiness has a place for you.

We're talking about a little tiny thing. Not the console, that goes anywhere. A little tiny object that communicates with the controller and the Rev wirelessly. I use a 13" tv in a dorm room for most of the year and I'm not flipping out.

[Caliban]

Ian are you referring to the sensor plates? Maybe they will be thin enough that you can place them anywhere without any inconvenience to your organized entertainment space.

Edit: As far as we know we don't know if these sensor plates are connected in any way to the Rev. As far as I am concerned the plates will not be connected to anything, they will serve as reference points to the controller, how I don't know but I bet it can be done without the need to connect them with wires to get their source energy for transmission, perhaps one of those thin watch batteries will be used since I guess the plates won't need much energy.