Topic: The Official IWATAON Speech Thread

[blackfootsteps]

X and Y is much more sensible than little a and Capital B.

[heinous_anus]

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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
Well I don't have a prob with the Dpad being used as 4 buttons, its placed right where your thumb would be so it would be a shame not to take advantage of it.  I've already explained how this controller can work for Madden so I don't see how it shouldn't be able to work for any other of the current games we have today.

Just think about it though, this current generation is strongly defined by action and fpsers.  To me, it seems like the Rev could be positioned to steal the FPS fanbase hands down and we all know the Xbox lives off its FPSers.  The Rev versions of any multiplatform FPSer is going to be head and shoulders above its counterparts just becuase of this controller.

It all comes down to the developers now, if they dont slack off and actually put some effert into the multi titles then I can see the Rev doing some serious damage to the other system's marketshare.

For a second, I forgot why I decided to quote your post, truth (I'm trying to sort out my thoughts on this new guy).

Ah yes, two reasons.  First, your last statement, about it "coming down to the developers now."  That's my gut-reaction to this, is that the prospect of the "Rev" getting decent ports is so incredibly black or white.  Either it gets a great port, where the system's key feature(s) is/are used to a decent potential, or the 3rd party just doesn't bother.  As Ian points out (pretty appropriately), Nintendo's current marketshare may greatly effect whether or not these companies are "with us or against us."  And that's really what it is - unlike the Cube, I don't see any way for a developer to really "half-ass" a sloppy port.  This is no complaint, just a slight fear that I have.

Also, while the d-pad can (occasionally) be used for button purposes, it certainly cannot be used (as has been pointed out) for other types of games that might require several button combinations (again, we're talking ports here) to where the d-pad wouldn't suffice.  I will be intrigued to find out how the approach will be for, say, a port of Marvel vs. Capcom 3, or, even more importantly, as again many have pointed out, N64/SNES games.  The idea that people (who don't already own a GC) will have to purchase separate controllers to use this "killer feature" in classic gaming, or buy extra dongles at $10-15 a pop, is certainly an issue.

Having said this, the interface looks great.  I'm looking forward with great optimism to see how Nintendo implements this super-cool innovation into their flagship games (as only they can do).  And have we forgotten about Japan?  As it's been mentioned, there is a strong chance that the Revolution will be an RPG paradise, which is music to my ears.  Didn't everyone get the feeling, when news/rumors started to break about the system, that this was going to be an attempt by Nintendo to revitalize gaming in Japan?  I think that there's a good chance that the Revolution may be the system to do so.

As people have said, marketing and demo units are going to be oh so crucial to the success of the system in the short run.  I know you express doubt about non-gamers'/casual gamers' interest and potential attachment (or lack of) to the system, Ian, and I usually agree with much of what you have to say, but I'm really inclined to believe that, what with all the testing that Nintendo HAD to have done with people, and also these very initial reactions about intuitiveness from the press, they might have a winner here.

Basically, for some odd reason I have a renewed sense of faith in Nintendo because of this unveiling, much more than I have had since...well, the mid '90s - I think I'm much less skeptical than a lot of folks.  If any company can pull off something so drastically different and make it work consistently (besides Apple), it's the big N.



 

[BlkPaladin]

Well that is because thos two buttons are availble when  you use it for the NES controler (ie on its side) so they used the A/B for the buttons because that is what it was on the NES controller for nostagic purposes, but since they already had and A/B they opted for a/b.

[wandering]

Well, I just got back from work a little while ago. I was expecting to be filled with warm goo after the unveiling, but then I wasn't. And then I was. And then my head exploded and reformed itself.

Christ, it's late.

This thing looks like some ill-conceived atari joystick design, but I'm sure it'll play well. Especially sure after seeing that awesome video.

I like the motion-sensing, naturally. I like the one-handed gameplay. And I like the kind of ipod cool this thing has.

But, man, is this thing clunky. I guess I was expecting that - the N64 controller was clunky. The DS is clunky.

But....multiple add ons? That'll confuse the heck out of most people. And have you seen that button layout? yeesh.

My biggest concern right now is not whether it'll play games awesomely - I'm sure it will - but rather whether Sony will steal the motion-control and come up with a more inviting solution. You know, like they did with the dualshock.

Anyway, I'm excited about this.....which is more than I can say for the other two system's controllers.

Goodnight/morning.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

heinous anus made me realise something when he made mention of the Rev being an rpg haven, Nintendo could be positioning themselves to snatch up both Japanese and American markets.  Nintendo is a sly bunch indeed.  The Rev controller compliments and expands control for FPS and RPGs (among other genres).  Its common knowledge that RPG's are huge in Japan and seem to be their most popular genre much like FPS are the current fad here in the US (curtiousy of Halo among others).  

In looking at the overall picture, Nintendo has taken the upper hand in both genres/fronts.  FPSers and RPGs on the Rev are naturally going to be above and beyond the competitions offerings just by the mechanics of it.


EDIT: As for Sony trying to copy this revolution, I think the only way they'll be able to do it is to split the controller in half much like Nintendo has.  I know the thought seems weird but its just natural.  Try picking up a current gen controller and moving it to in one direction while pressing the analog stick in the oposite direction (whole controller right while analog left), it just doesn't feel right, feels counter productive in a way.  By splitting the controller in 2, the hand controlling the analog stick won't be affected or feel obligated to move in conjuntion with the controler/hand as a whole.

[wandering]

The BBC is on the ball - with coverage that isn't overtly negative. Hooray.

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Well that is because thos two buttons are availble when you use it for the NES controler (ie on its side) so they used the A/B for the buttons because that is what it was on the NES controller for nostagic purposes, but since they already had and A/B they opted for a/b.

The A/B a/b thing is really confusing, they need to pick new names for the A and B buttons.

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As for Sony trying to copy this revolution, I think the only way they'll be able to do it is to split the controller in half much like Nintendo has.

Right. I'm imagining a scenario where Sony creates the controller everyone was expecting Nintendo to create: a regular controller that can split in 2, with motion sensors/gyros in one or both halves.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: wandering

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As for Sony trying to copy this revolution, I think the only way they'll be able to do it is to split the controller in half much like Nintendo has.

Right. I'm imagining a scenario where Sony creates the controller everyone was expecting Nintendo to create: a regular controller that can split in 2, with motion sensors/gyros in one or both halves.

Well hopefully Nintendo has secured all the rights & patents needed to protect their idea well into the next generation w/o atleast collecting on liscensing fees and/or royalties.

[Mario]

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Those are gimmicky pick-up-and-play games. They're the stuff you play when you want to fool around for 15 minutes. They're the sort of games you play in an arcade. However a serious gamer sometimes wants to sit down and play an epic for several hours a day for a couple of weeks.

UGH. I think a REAL serious gamer is the gamer who spends MORE than 15 minutes on those "gimmicky pick-up-and-play games". I consider that REAL GAMING. Yoshi Touch & Go is my favourite game on DS, I could play it for hours just trying to set high scores and discovering new paths etc. Casual gamers are the ones who flock to the latest 200 hour FF to waste their life away with boring leveling up and a story that replaces their own life, i'm ashamed to be put in the same category as them when you say that's what hardcore gamers want.

Anyway, some of you are downright depressing, it's happy happy Revolution time.

[Bill Aurion]

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Originally posted by: Mario

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Those are gimmicky pick-up-and-play games. They're the stuff you play when you want to fool around for 15 minutes. They're the sort of games you play in an arcade. However a serious gamer sometimes wants to sit down and play an epic for several hours a day for a couple of weeks.

UGH. I think a REAL serious gamer is the gamer who spends MORE than 15 minutes on those "gimmicky pick-up-and-play games". I consider that REAL GAMING. Yoshi Touch & Go is my favourite game on DS, I could play it for hours just trying to set high scores and discovering new paths etc. Casual gamers are the ones who flock to the latest 200 hour FF to waste their life away with boring leveling up and a story that replaces their own life, i'm ashamed to be put in the same category as them when you say that's what hardcore gamers want.

Anyway, some of you are downright depressing, it's happy happy Revolution time.

Quoted for truth...Plus, Iwata said himself that they will never give up traditional gaming so just chill...

[BranDonk Kong]

Am I the only one who thinks this will make standard controllers in consoles obsolete?

[stevey]

"So ... are the folks at Microsoft crapping their pants right now or are they laughing their ass off? "

Right now their laughing their butts off but their find out what make the rev so great it be to late and there be dead!!!11! lol my god I read over 550 post in a few hour I need a drink and to naysayers that said the be nothing at tgs I luagh in your face and reggie is take your name and about to kick butt

[Shecky]

For such an out of the box thinking of design, I feel a lot of people are still in the box when thinking of how to apply it.  Or maybe that's just my false impression.  Taking one aspect of the game (like sword play in Zelda) and assigning it to the motion abilities is something that's limiting... inside the box and a "gimmick"....  why not the boomerang, or the weapon of my choice?  Quoting myself:

"Actually it would be good if you could just assign a weapon or two to the motion control... for a game like zelda. So maybe it could be your sword when you feel like engaging in some sword play, or maybe you decide to assign it as your bow and the game senses when you make a "bow draw" type motion. I find that much more functional - picture a boss battle that requires slashing and the occasional arrow (oh like I don't know ... ganon ). Being able to quick draw a few weapons.... that would be cool and functional use. Also, in a FPS as you aim and shoot with the controller, you can make a quick "throwing a hand grenade" motion to chuck a grenade without ever have to actually switch to one."

Adding to that... A star wars game: plays with the wand and stick attachment.  Hold select on the stick and the wand becomes responsive to "force actions"... like detecting a motion towards the set as "force push".  Holding the "B" trigger pulles out the character's lightsaber for which the wand controls.

See endless possibilities

[Nile Boogie]

It's like an EyeToy but not really...

I truly (hopefully) believe this to be the birth of the Indie Gamer. Small 8-man teams of programmers putting out quality software in record time. The DvD feature I think has to become standard. No way can this pass muster if playback id optional but the controller is a remote. Damn the fees!! I have faith yet I can blame those who are apprehensive about the future.


...and further more.




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[Shecky]

As for all the "we want a traditional one piece controller" talk

I'm calling, from now, an attachment that looks like the wavebird... except that the center of the controller (specifically the very top front and back) are gutted.  The Rev's wand would drop into the top and connect.  Since the back is gutted the battery door is accessible.  Also removing the top front would make the home, start, and select keys accessible.

Personally I think both have their place.  An attachment that makes for a "one piece" controller and the two piece we've seen.  I see a lot of FPS being played with the 2 piece and a wrist over wrist style of control.

[Rhoq]

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Originally posted by: Shecky
As for all the "we want a traditional one piece controller" talk

I'm calling, from now, an attachment that looks like the wavebird... except that the center of the controller (specifically the very top front and back) are gutted.  The Rev's wand would drop into the top and connect.  Since the back is gutted the battery door is accessible.  Also removing the top front would make the home, start, and select keys accessible.

Personally I think both have their place.  An attachment that makes for a "one piece" controller and the two piece we've seen.  I see a lot of FPS being played with the 2 piece and a wrist over wrist style of control.

Shecky - it sounds like you and I have the same thing in mind...

(from the "More Traditionally Designed Controller" Thread)

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Originally posted by: Rhoq
I have a feeling that there might be a more "traditional" Revolution controller as well. The remote control piece could slide into the underside of it, connecting inside the controller (no dangling wire) and use the "B" button on the underside as a trigger for the controller. The entire thing wouldn't be any larger than a WaveBird controller.

 

[Bill Aurion]

Well no worries, guys...

Eurogamer: How is the controller going to work with games that aren't designed specifically for the Revolution - multi-platform titles and so on?

Jim Merrick: We're producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the Gamecube controller. It's like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you've downloaded.


SEE THIS, IAN?  I sure hope so, because now it's confirmed that the Revolution can play EVERYTHING...

[Pale]

Good morning everyone.

Glad to see Ian is trying to stay constructive.  Sorry to see Mantis is still posting here.

Anyway, I'm still very intrigued with this idea.  Plenty of people are down on it though, which can be expected.  Nintendo has the shock stage finished.  They have everyone's attention.  Now they just need to prove it to people.

I see two possible situations next gen, both of which see an increase in Nintendo's sales.

1. (Not as likely as two, but still a possibility)
This is a revolution.  Games will never be the same.  Nintendo will be dominant.  Revs will sell at SNES levels.


2. (Much more likely)
This will cause a great increase in the number of people that own multiple consoles.  This benefits Nintendo because virtually every one of those people will choose the Rev as one console, and then the actual decision will come down to PS3 vs. MS.  This is why differentiation is a good thing.  Next gen will still be Sony vs. MS everywhere, but for a slightly different reason.  The revolution isn't really a similar product anymore.  People won't base their buying decision off of a competition... they will base it solely off of whether or not they want to play Rev games.  Considering it's Nintendo, that's a very good thing.

[Bill Aurion]

Eurogamer: Is the freehand-style controller your trump card, or have we got more exciting stuff to look forward to?

Jim Merrick: Let's just say we have more surprises in store.

IT'S NOT OVER YET! =D

[Pale]

Bill, did you go to sleep? =P

[Bill Aurion]

Aha, I got 4 hours of sleep, which is standard here at college...

[Spak-Spang]

Not over yet.

Lets see.

We know we can use 2 controllers at a time for drums and such.

We have an analog attachment.

We have comments from Iwata that a more traditional controller can be linked to the control wand (read the 1up impressions of the controller)
and Reggie commenting that this controller would be perfect for the other games.  (Read: Still something missing...)

Though the system is really all falling into place.  Why the Gamecube Controller ports are needed.

I can't wait to see the other attachments.  Literally there are an endless supply of attachments, AND they could be rather cheap to make and sell.

Now I want to see a great Fishing Game
Sword Fight Game (First Person Fighter) With the option of 2 sword fights.
Drumstick games and such.

Hopefully these controllers are cheap, because already I want 4-8 controllers for all the advanced games available.


My only worry about the controller is multiplayer games...it may be difficult design to play traditional single screen multiplayer games.

Will those games disappear for a more user friendly online gaming?

[Toruresu]

So I arrive at work, launch PGC, see the controller pictures...BAM... Iwataton indeed.

I'm still not sure, as someone already said, I wanna play and see how this actually works.

[ThePerm]

i doubt it, but i wonder if the controller is cheaper then a  remote? one of my worries is having to buy so many attachments...and them being way to pricey.

[Caliban]

A quick note to Mantidor about him being a lefty: just switch the controllers and you can use the wand (that's what I'm calling it) on your left hand and the other thingamajig on your right, I don't see any barrier with this controller in fact it must be the most ergonomic ever for any hand use, you will see that in the video several people used the left hand to use the wand, oh and the attachment with the analogue stick looks like it can be used by either left or right hand so I think you will be alright.  

[BiLdItUp1]

So I don't exactly understand - will the analog stick and traditional style controller be pack-ins? I wouldn't want to pay for that...