Topic: The Official IWATAON Speech Thread

[blackfootsteps]

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Originally posted by: Artimus
My favorite part of all this is people are so concerned with the look.

"GOOD FEATURES, MAKE IT LIKE TEH REGULARZ CONTROLERLSZDHSDKF!"

I love how closed minded everyone is, how determined current gaming is the best.

Just tell them to wait until Monday when Sony announces their new PS3 boomerang complete with pointing device.

[zakkiel]

I love the cries of "gimmick!" interspersed with "this is impossibly different for standard game designs!" You can't have it both ways, people.

As for fatigue: believe me, not an issue. Yes, you may perchance burn the odd extra calorie, and we mourn your loss. But most people's wrists can handle hours of writing (it's the fingers that give out) to give one example, and people can play badminton indefinitely even if they haven't played in a year (it's the cardiovascular that gets you.) Did anyone suggest that DK: Jungle Beat would cause fatigue? A lot of the same basic motions. As long as you aren't holding your arm still and unsupported for extended periods, you'll be fine, my dear couch potatoes.

And try playing Zelda and timing how long you actually have to spend continuously swinging a sword. Except for a few special spots, it's not too damn long. Boss battles have you manuevering much more than using your sword, and for the rest your foes are quickly dispatched. So yes, I strongly suspect we will see fighting that involves you swinging, though I doubt it will be the massive gestures shown in the video.

[BigJim]

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Originally posted by: mantidor
BigJim, you are basing those claims on the video, which is just supposed to show someone really exited, I doubt will have to jump in chairs and wave our arms all across the room while playing.

I said "even if it's just a nudge of the wrist." I never thought chair jumping was a necessity. I'm not that daft.

And I'm not making claims, I am asking normal questions and voicing natural concerns that are bound to come up with this kind of change. Nobody can say all of their questions have been answered. They're bound to have new ones.

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Shecky

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Originally posted by: trip1eX
What's with the swinging a controller will be tiring stuff?  Come on now gamers aren't that wussy are they?  If anything one should welcome the extra exercise!

DDR is exercise, flicking a wrist a couple hundred times is just asking for pain.  (and truthfully would get boring if you had to do it that many times)

I urge all of you to go practice with your TV remote... heck have a friend playing WW and flick the remote everytime he swings  Remember it's got to be free floating, no resting it comfortably in your lap.

Last time I checked pressing down the analog stick, d-pad and hitting buttons for hours at a time isn't pain free either  man.  Not to mention the mouse on my pc or this keyboard.

[MANTI5]

" With MANTI5 posting people are going easier on me. Thanks, pal"

No problem.

I can see the competitors answer to this now: "One of our competitors wants you to flail about, swing, poke, and pull to get the same result you get from us by pressing this button."

[King of Twitch]

I can't WAIT to do a real Zelda charge spin in real life

[Mario]

Man, I just picked up my tv remote, and I forgot how many awesome things I can do with it! I normally flip it around and throw it up in the air without noticing. Perfect controller

[The Omen]

Gee, all this talk of excercise reminds me-we had a Revolution Ideas thread awhile back, and I said I wanted to be able to power off the console from the controller.  People reacted like that was the laziest thing in the world to request, but really, it's about convenience.  I think it was Ian Sane who reponded to my assailant and pointed out that nobody complains about DVD players, tvs, vcrs having remotes, so why shouldn't a game console.  Pretty funny....

Thank you nintendo for listening.

[Bill Aurion]

"One of our competitors wants you to flail about, swing, poke, and pull to get the same result you get from us by pressing this button."

Talk about overexaggeration...But yeah, I'd rather perform an action myself than press a button...Why the hell do you play games if you don't want to interact more with them?

[Caliban]

That video is fabulous, lol I loved the fly-squat pseudo-game, the chefs were hilarious, oh I think I might finally get a baseball game if they do it with such level of interaction, what was that guy, that appeared after the fishing-grandpa, doing?, flicking the controller so that mario jumps lol. Simply ingenious! Boy did Nintendo ever deliver such a big-bang message. I was still hoping for a more definite release date other than just 2006.

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"One of our competitors wants you to flail about, swing, poke, and pull to get the same result you get from us by pressing this button."

Talk about overexaggeration...But yeah, I'd rather perform an action myself than press a button...Why the hell do you play games if you don't want to interact more with them?

That's a retarded point anyway, because on Revolution you can do BOTH.

[Bill Aurion]

The guy after Grandpa was doing some type of dentistry game it seems...

[Ian Sane]

"Just tell them to wait until Monday when Sony announces their new PS3 boomerang complete with pointing device."

This brings up another possible problem.  Nintendo was all worried that Sony would steal their idea.  Well I can say for sure Sony will not steal the remote idea.  However the motion control is the REAL idea.  That's what people are going to steal.  And if Sony steals the motion control then their controller is better and Nintendo has no advantage at all.  I think the boomerang design is stupid but at least it has more buttons than an NES controller and I don't have to buy any attachments to play what today are considered standard games.

I think Nintendo should probably just drop the whole remote idea and put the motion stuff into something resembling the Cube controller.  That's a much safer design.  This design is a combination of great ideas and very questionable ideas.  Sony can just steal the good ideas and make a controller that's much less intimidating.  Then Nintendo's just left with a wacky remote that opinion is mixed about.

If Nintendo showed something similar to the Cube controller with motion control in it no one here would complain or be worried.  We would all think it was great.  It's a much safer design.  The worst complaint would be that some people expected something weirder or there would be a few nitpicky stuff.  But no one would be questioning if this game would work or how much this attachment would cost.  We would just be talking about how cool this new motion stuff is and what the possibilities are.

[Bill Aurion]

"If Nintendo showed something similar to the Cube controller with motion control in it no one here would complain or be worried. We would all think it was great. It's a much safer design."

No, I'd personally be very disappointed...Plus, if you watch the trailer, there are things you just COULD NOT DO with a two-handed controller...

[MANTI5]

I still occasionally play the original Donkey Kong, I wouldn't go bulid a replica of the levels and have someone roll barrels for me to jump over.

What I'm saying is, this WILL work for some games and very well too, but I don't want to play every game this way. It would be nice if it were optional, but yes that would make this a gimmick. But so would allowing GC controller compatability with any new games.  

[trip1eX]

I just saw that video.  Wow!!!  It's freakin' good.  LIke someone else said it really shows how Nintendo will market this thing and really makes it kewl!!

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334p1.html

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The guy after Grandpa was doing some type of dentistry game it seems...

Me and my pervert mind LOL! Oh and so it seems I heard more closely the drilling sound.

[Bill Aurion]

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Originally posted by: MANTI5
I still occasionally play the original Donkey Kong, I wouldn't go bulid a replica of the levels and have someone roll barrels for me to jump over.

Do you live in a videogame?  Because my example was based on videogames, not real life...

[ThePerm]

came across this a  few  days ago lol

[MANTI5]

"Why the hell do you play games if you don't want to interact more with them?"

That's what I was responding to with the DK comment, just overexagerating to make a point.

[mantidor]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
That video is fabulous, lol I loved the fly-squat pseudo-game, the chefs were hilarious, oh I think I might finally get a baseball game if they do it with such level of interaction, what was that guy, that appeared after the fishing-grandpa, doing?, flicking the controller so that mario jumps lol. Simply ingenious! Boy did Nintendo ever deliver such a big-bang message. I was still hoping for a more definite release date other than just 2006.

whats more funny is that we havent seen one single screenshot yet we are curious about trying this thing.

[Artimus]

This reminds me of something I use: mouse gestures.

I can move my mouse all the way to the top of my browser and click "Back" and I go back. It works. I have full access to all the buttons and you can have right clicks and that little arrow next to the big arrow and all those fun things.

Or I can just hold one button and move left. In half the time. I focus entirely on the website, never looking up, even for a split second. I just move my hand and voila!

Bit different perhaps, but I think you guys need to let go of 'BUTTONS RULE!!!"

Fighting games will be amazing. A jumps, b clocks. The dpad moves left and right or up ladders. How do you attack? Flick your wrist. IGN has a great example of this. COmbo could be two quick flicks. Super-combo one forward two back. Etc. Exactly the same idea as buttons, except there are even more possibilities, and it's quicker.

Open your minds. The button is not the be-all and end-all!

[Hostile Creation]

"If Nintendo showed something similar to the Cube controller with motion control in it no one here would complain or be worried. We would all think it was great. It's a much safer design."

Really, I think what they've designed is far, far more intuitive than something like that.

[BigJim]

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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I PRAY that Nintendo has thought this through, VERY deeply, and that their examples are strictly theoretical. I HOPE they don't force new control movements just because they're possible. If people have to stop playing Zelda after 15 minutes to give their hands a break, that would be a serious problem... yet another thing fixed that wasn't broken.

When do you ever have to fight for more than 2 minutes in any Zelda game?  And besides, we don't know all the dynamics yet, so why speculate on things as inane as being tired from swinging the controller?  

Me?  I can't wait to fight with the master sword...or blast away in time splitters 4...or jab Bald Bull in Punch Out...

As for it being optional...I don't think they should make this optional because then it becomes a gimmick...I want them to stand behind this.

You kinda answered your own question. I speculate because we don't know the dynamics. It's not even fair to say I am speculating. The points I raise are natural for this kind of change. What I am really doing is asking for more information. I don't assume Nintendo's way is the best way. There have been enough examples on the DS where the touch screen control was more hassle than it was worth.  I raise the points because I don't want it to be another one of those situations.

[Mario]

Whoa, fighting games will be awesome with this controller! Imagine grabbing someone in SSB and moving the controller in the direction you want to throw them!