Topic: last minute rev predicts! go! go! go!

[Bill Aurion]

Iwataton is the word of the year...

[mantidor]

I dont like it ... and my prediction is nothing will happen, and if happens, there will be too much bitching about so Ill leave gaming forums for a couple of weeks.

[IceCold]

Hmm, what can we fit in 50 minutes? OK, here we go...

IN

- Donairs
- MARZIPAN (I love it)
- Haptics (tested thoroughly) and extremely comfortable controller
- Trailers of Mario 128, SSB:R (huge map w/ 8 players) , MP3, along with a graphic depicting all the 3rd parties that are on board including a few notable titles (RE5, Sonic, etc) and a few exclusives - RPG and/or mature game
- D-Pad combined with trackball in the middle
- Mention of something embedded in the Revolution but definitely won't go into detail
- Talking about Retro and Miyamoto's new IPs
- Different type of feedback

OUT

- Pikmin
- Gyros, splittable controller
- Full 3D
- Every single other rumour on the 'Net (1,432,756 and counting)

EDIT: Oh yeah, also in ---> BRILLIANT online interface demo

[pudu]

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Originally posted by: IceCold

- D-Pad combined with trackball in the middle

Hmm interesting idea...I'm just having trouble seeing it's usefulness or how it would work.  If they do have a Dpad I want it to be a nice big one with a good feel to it.  Same goes for the trackball.  But, hey, if you can explain how your dpad + trackball thing could work I could change my mind about it.

[IceCold]

Pudu: I'm envisioning a pretty big, rounded D-Pad, which is concave. A bit like the ones you see in some digital cameras except a little different, with very good response. Then, in the middle of the depression, a trackball that protrudes but not so much that it's in the way of the D-Pad. Yes, this could make the trackball a bit undersized, but it should still work.

[pudu]

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Originally posted by: IceCold
Pudu: I'm envisioning a pretty big, rounded D-Pad, which is concave. A bit like the ones you see in some digital cameras except a little different, with very good response. Then, in the middle of the depression, a trackball that protrudes but not so much that it's in the way of the D-Pad. Yes, this could make the trackball a bit undersized, but it should still work.

That sounds like your on to something.  What I'm mainly having trouble with though is how someone is supposed to use the Dpad without affecting the trackball and visa versa.  Ideas could be a lockable trackball or making sure not to use both devices at once in a game at the same time.  If the latter idea is used then the only reason of having the two control mechanisms together would be to save space.  

[IceCold]

Yeah - I don't know where I saw a picture of it, but anyway, the main reason for doing that would be to save space. Nintendo might want to make it so that it's just a controller without the D-Pad/C Stick attachments, and it is more like the SNES controller - everything on one level. This could help them do that, although I don't know where you would place it.

[Ian Sane]

"OUT: Pikmin"

I've heard that rumour.  Why would Nintendo drop one of their best new franchises in years?  I really hope it's not true.  Pikmin is still fresh and interesting and there's a lot more to do with it.  If they drop it they better not just replace it with MORE Mario spinoffs.  Hell I don't even really want them to replace it with something new.  If something new has to replace something replace something OLD.

[pudu]

Well I've been thinking about gyros and if they do place them in the controller they will need to save space so maybe this idea could be used afterall.  Anyway, what I mean by this is if gyros are in their new controller it really would make more sense to do a split controller.  I know just above I said there is not chance of this but I'm actually hoping they do it now.  How much movement will a one peice controller allow you?  I mean if you are moving the whole controller around controlling the buttons and sticks would become pretty darn hard and pretty complicated.  

Yea, I know that a two piece controller could cause the same dilema but not if you are only moving one hand.   Lets say that the right pad has the gyro control and only buttons while the left side has the sticks and possibly a trackball and/or Dpad.  That would leave your important hand stable and the right one more free to move around smoothly without overly-complicating things.  What I'm getting at is that having one hand control movement in two different ways seems way too over the top and complicated to impliment in a controller.  If the whole controller had to be moved as one piece this would be inevitable...imagine trying to move the controller around quickly and not mess up you thumb positioning and movement on the control stick?  Sounds awful!

[MrMojoRising]

Ian:  In an interview a little while back didn't Miyamoto say that there wasn't a pikmin game in the works but that the Rev's "interface" would be well suited for it.  This led me to believe that there isn't a pikmin in development right now, but that there would eventually be one, especially since the interface is so well suited to it.

If pikmin dies a small part of me will die with it.

[Don'tHate742]

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Originally posted by: pudu
Well I've been thinking about gyros and if they do place them in the controller they will need to save space so maybe this idea could be used afterall.  Anyway, what I mean by this is if gyros are in their new controller it really would make more sense to do a split controller.  I know just above I said there is not chance of this but I'm actually hoping they do it now.  How much movement will a one peice controller allow you?  I mean if you are moving the whole controller around controlling the buttons and sticks would become pretty darn hard and pretty complicated.  

Yea, I know that a two piece controller could cause the same dilema but not if you are only moving one hand.   Lets say that the right pad has the gyro control and only buttons while the left side has the sticks and possibly a trackball and/or Dpad.  That would leave your important hand stable and the right one more free to move around smoothly without overly-complicating things.  What I'm getting at is that having one hand control movement in two different ways seems way too over the top and complicated to impliment in a controller.  If the whole controller had to be moved as one piece this would be inevitable...imagine trying to move the controller around quickly and not mess up you thumb positioning and movement on the control stick?  Sounds awful!

Exactly.

Gyros are most likely implemented in the controller. Since Nintendo's deal with Gyration is the only concrete evidence we have for the REV controller, I think it's safe to assume that it will be placed in the controller somehow.

Having gyros in a normal one-peice controller doesn't provide much room for imagination. Everything that really could be done with such a technology, has been done (i.e. Kirby Tilt, and Wario Ware). If Nintendo were to simply have a one-piece controller with such a technology, it would essentially waste the technology. Nobody wants the REV to be more tilt games. That's not revolutionary nor does it sound very fun in the first place.

To get the most out of Gyration technology, splitting the controller in half is your best bet. Cause now you can emulate arm movements, which has a much higher degree of possibilities that include all tilt games.

Anyway, I'm getting my hopes up..... I know it  but I could care less.

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Ninty has already said MANY times that specs don't matter...Would it make ANY sense for them to not show anything on the Rev but specs?  No...

?  You're assuming they have to reveal something this weekend or that this conference is some kind of deadline or something.  IF they wanted to give out more info about the Revolution, but didn't want to shoot their wad just yet then maybe they just give out specs.  This would give all their fans a bit to chew on, it would reassure folks the Revolution will be plenty powerful, and it will keep their controller secret for awhile longer.   They have been a bit paranoid about it being copied.  

Ninty's position on specs is misunderstood.  They like more power and better graphics.  They just don't think that's the only key to making games.  


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I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller.  It's a no-brainer this tech is in the next controller.  The question is what other techs are also in there.  
 

[KDR_11k]

I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller.

Noted. You will be held to that.

[Don'tHate742]

"I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller. It's a no-brainer this tech is in the next controller. The question is what other techs are also in there."

Its not a question of what other techs are also in there, rather how will the implement technology that we are almost positive they'll use (gyros)?  

[Strell]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller.

Noted. You will be held to that.

WE WILL DEMAND VIDEO OF SAID ACTIVITIES.

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IWATATON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pudu]

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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742

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Originally posted by: pudu
Well I've been thinking about gyros and if they do place them in the controller they will need to save space so maybe this idea could be used afterall.  Anyway, what I mean by this is if gyros are in their new controller it really would make more sense to do a split controller.  I know just above I said there is not chance of this but I'm actually hoping they do it now.  How much movement will a one peice controller allow you?  I mean if you are moving the whole controller around controlling the buttons and sticks would become pretty darn hard and pretty complicated.  

Yea, I know that a two piece controller could cause the same dilema but not if you are only moving one hand.   Lets say that the right pad has the gyro control and only buttons while the left side has the sticks and possibly a trackball and/or Dpad.  That would leave your important hand stable and the right one more free to move around smoothly without overly-complicating things.  What I'm getting at is that having one hand control movement in two different ways seems way too over the top and complicated to impliment in a controller.  If the whole controller had to be moved as one piece this would be inevitable...imagine trying to move the controller around quickly and not mess up you thumb positioning and movement on the control stick?  Sounds awful!

Exactly.

Gyros are most likely implemented in the controller. Since Nintendo's deal with Gyration is the only concrete evidence we have for the REV controller, I think it's safe to assume that it will be placed in the controller somehow.

Having gyros in a normal one-peice controller doesn't provide much room for imagination. Everything that really could be done with such a technology, has been done (i.e. Kirby Tilt, and Wario Ware). If Nintendo were to simply have a one-piece controller with such a technology, it would essentially waste the technology. Nobody wants the REV to be more tilt games. That's not revolutionary nor does it sound very fun in the first place.

To get the most out of Gyration technology, splitting the controller in half is your best bet. Cause now you can emulate arm movements, which has a much higher degree of possibilities that include all tilt games.

Anyway, I'm getting my hopes up..... I know it  but I could care less.

Restricted range of movement was only one of the drawbacks of implimenting gyros in a one-piece controller.  Ok try this guys (and gals?), pic up your controller and move it around as if you are conrolling something with motion-sensing control AND try to also think about your thumb as it moves the analogue stick around as if controlling another movement.  Just trying to think about it is hard for me...and the fact that moving your arms around would make the chances of messing up on the stick even greater.  A two piece controller with each hand only being responsible for a different dirrectional movement seems far more plausible to me if they used gyros.

[MrMojoRising]

If the controller doesn't have gyros at all I'm going to laugh really hard because of how positive you guys are that it will have them.

If it does have them I will not laugh.

[wandering]

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A two piece controller with each hand only being responsible for a different dirrectional movement seems far more plausible to me if they used gyros.

Plus, Nintendo actually patented a 2-piece splittable controller awhile back....

[pudu]

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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
If the controller doesn't have gyros at all I'm going to laugh really hard because of how positive you guys are that it will have them.

If it does have them I will not laugh.

Considering the fact that there are thousands of threads and blogs run on almost 100% speculation, rumor, and he said,she said type info. whatever is revealed will have to be taken for what it is.  Just because we speculate to no end doesn't mean Nintendo has to do what we think they might do.  We've basically created everything from thin air and have hyped it up ourselves.

The funny thing is I allowed myself to get caught up in it all in a big way so no matter what happens I'll probably be dissapointed on some level.

[Fro]

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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Everything that really could be done with such a technology, has been done (i.e. Kirby Tilt, and Wario Ware).

There's quite a big difference between a tilt sensor, which is what Wario Ware uses, and a gyroscope like Gyration is producing which senses movement in an accurate fashion along the X and Y axises.

I agree that it'd be quite awkward to use gyros for movement, for example, in a standard boomerang-shaped controller.  You wouldn't have the freedom of movement, nor the control options you'd have with a splittable controller.

[BigJim]

Oye. Ok, I just chatted with someone at EA. He told me some of the buzz going around. If true and Nintendo discusses it, then TGS will kick off some of the fan-hitting sh*t.

I know it's ghetto to tease but i If it's not announced then I'll mention what I heard. I'm not gonna be the one to "break" it on the eve of the show OR look like a tard if they don't mention it. LOL.  But I think it's good news if true.

[PaLaDiN]

Oh, good... rumors about rumors. This is what we need now to make the waiting easier.

[Dasmos]

IN:
Iwata dancing on stage
Mario sporting new goatee and possibly tongue ring
Pink bow-ties
My new quilt cover

OUT:
Furby
Midnight Snacks
Touch Screens (except in the case of the DS)

I believe that not much will be shown at TGS, although I wish there will be. At least IWATA is speaking hs own language and will not seem so cryptic.  

[Don'tHate742]

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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
If the controller doesn't have gyros at all I'm going to laugh really hard because of how positive you guys are that it will have them.

If it does have them I will not laugh.

I'd laugh also.

I never said I was positive. Instead, I'm assuming (which is a bad thing to do, but meh..) that it is implemented somehow due to fact that Nintendo and Gyration signed some deal for an un-disclosed amount. That bit of information combined with all that was said at E3 are the only fundational clues that we have.

But, oh well...it seems like our game of geuss and hope is over (thank God).

I'm sure that Nintendo won't dissapoint regardless of what the controller turns out to be.

[couchmonkey]

Well, my former theories were right about Nintendo keeping it simple, and my new theory is right about making it customizable.  So I'm wrong 100% of the time, and right 100% of the time.

I think this design could work very well or very poorly.  Nintendo will no doubt release a lot of "Non-gamer games" that use ONLY the remote controller.  That may appeal to non-gamers, but I think the add-ons may scare them away as well.  Can you imagine having to rebuild your controllers every time you switch games at a party?  What about the cost of all the add-ons?  Nintendo is going to have to play this carefully to keep costs down and avoid ticking customers off.