Topic: STar Fox assault vs adventures

[trip1eX]

Ok maybe this is old hat but....

I just got SF:Assault today but I already like it better than STar Fox adventures.  I notice tho that most reviews have adventures rated alot higher.  I can't see really see that.

Adventures was just really dull.  I couldn't even get more than 4 hrs into it before I quit and never looked back.  The graphics while great in some respects (fox swimming) looked sorta flat and they all just didn't mesh well.  Plus the game had it's share of slowdowns.  

Assault tho stands out to me as vibrant.  It's more polished.  It's fun!  I'm hooked on the ship battles right away.

The ground stuff is pretty good fun too.  Tho I admit the controls are a bit touchy (I fell off platforms numerous times after climbing forever.)  And it's hard to find the targets.  I already died completely in like the 2nd ground mission; the one on the big spaceship.  I don't know where the h the targets are.  

But still I get the hang of the controls a bit and it's fun.  

Fun!  Fun.   fun.  It didn't hurt I picked it up new for half price.  Anyway I think some folks doing the reviews forget that many others haven't played every Nintendo game out there (yeah that's me.)  

[KnowsNothing]

I really want Star Fox Assault, because it looks like pure fun.  It's a game that reminds me of why I started playing games.  No amazing graphics, no intese story, no blood and gore, just pure fun.  Howvever, I've only played a bti of it, so I can't really say anything....

Where'd you find it for half price?

[raptorspike]

I want assault because it is Star Fox 64 with better graphics. I loved the game on the N64, and loved the demo. I also liked Adventures, because it was something new!

[odifiend]

I don't know...  Assualt was enjoyable until the ground missions which just don't have the finesse that the air missions have.  I have a pretty difficult time controlling the landmaster and fox on foot even though that problem was never present for me on the 64.  I liked that they were trying to return Fox to his roots, but it is nowhere near as polished as Adventures, graphically or control-wise.  They probably should have delayed Assualt for another 6 months...
But as for which is better I can't definitively say.  They are apples and oranges.  Adventures shows that more time was put in it, but it is pretty dull gameplay and the end of the game is a travesty and I felt Assualt was a letdown compared to the N64 version.  Tie, they both lose?

[Bill Aurion]

I like both of them, so that's all that matters to me...I just hope that next time there are more air missions...

[trip1eX]

Another thing I like about SF:Assault is the voicework and the way it's used while you're playing.  And how they sorta tell you what to do but don't point it out directly to you.  This was a bit frustrating at first, but I've learned to listen to the crew to figure out what to do next.  At first I wasn't paying attention to anything they said.  





@ those wondering about the 50% off......Border's bookstore (yeah the stores by me actually have vid games) has 50% off games with many good Gamecube selections like Mario Party 5, SF:ASsault, RE4, MP2 and Mario Tennis among many others.  YMMV.  (your mileage may vary) They'll ship to you if you ask for a reasonable rate.  Ask the clerk on the phone if you don't want to go to the store.  

[Hostile Creation]

Have you played the N64 version?  Everything you mention is in the N64 version, except loads better.  I was none too fond of the ground missions in Assault, they were relatively lacklustre.  Adventures didn't do much for me, though I enjoyed portions of it.  Between the two, Assault is better, but it pales in comparison to Starfox 64.  If you haven't played that, PLAY IT.

[oohhboy]

YOU ALL FAIL!!! Only Star Fox SNES is great. N64 lacked the sh!t, it's Yamauchi hide factor. Cubed Foxes were dogs.

[trip1eX]

WEll the fact I haven't played Fox on the N64 is why I think I find Assault fun and better than what alot of the reviews have said.  

I know when I play sequels that often the magic isn't there the 2nd time around and not just because the game is a dog or anything, but because it's a been there done that deal the 2nd time around.  

 

[Toruresu]

It's a tie, they both lack what Star Fox 64 had.

[Ian Sane]

"I notice tho that most reviews have adventures rated alot higher. I can't see really see that."

That's because Star Fox Adventures was overrated by reviewers at the time it came out.  It was a long anticipated game with amazing graphics released at a time when the Cube didn't have too many high profile games.  It was also Rare's last game with Nintendo.  People wanted to like it desperately.  This was also back when people were still quite optimistic about the Cube's chances.  There were some big problems but, dammit, we all wanted Nintendo to succeed so reviewers were more lenient.  Star Fox Adventures had to deliver.  It didn't but we all wanted it to so reviewers were very generous to it.

Star Fox Assault came out at a different time.  Optimism regarding the Cube dropped like a rock at E3 2003 when Nintendo revealed Pac-Man Vs as their big flagship title for the year.  Connectivity was revealed to be a dud and the Cube was revealed to be offline.  That combined with the fact that the Xbox had pulled ahead due to a well-timed Christmas bundle and suddenly reviewers were a lot more down on the Cube.  So Star Fox Assualt didn't get any slack.  It was reviewed by jaded reviewers who were pretty annoyed at Nintendo.

Both games failed to deliver and are not worthy of the Star Fox name.  It's just that due to the different periods they were released reviewers had different attitudes regarding the Cube.

[couchmonkey]

Personally I loved what I played of Star Fox Adventures, but I went in expecting a Rare game, not a Star Fox game.  I got what I expected.

I think that might have had an effect on reviews too.  People were lenient on Adventures or hard on Assault (depending on how you want to look at it) because one was a different type of game for the series while the other can be directly compared.

[Caterkiller]

Both of the recent Star Fox Titles are garbage to me. They are much different games but Assault was more enjoyable.  Now Star Fox 64, it had much better voice acting than Assault, control was spot on, and just about every stage rocked, no matter what vehicle you had. Assault took away alot of what made the first 2 Star Fox titles great, all the obsticles and secret paths of the on-rails stages and replaced it with way too much "all range mode" with clunky controles.  Pluss its sooo much slower! More ships and gibberish on screen my apples! Speed it back up!  Theres a reason why Star Fox 64 is Miyamoto's 3rd favorite game of his own creation, it was a great epic game with great control, great game play and great multiplayer, well except for the amount of stages used.  

If we can play Star Fox 64 online with the Revolution I sooo look forward to playing against most of you.  

[trip1eX]

WEll SF:Assault was fun while it lasted.  It's probably good it's fairly short.  It can get a bit repetitive.  Anyway it's already  up on Ebay.  

[trip1eX]

Ok it's not on ebay yet but soon.  Anyway another comment.  The engine in the multiplayer maps is fairly impressive.  Large open enviroments with a very good look to them.  It's impressive being able to run all over these enviroments with the ability to get in a plane and fly over them at the same time.  Also the trees are all destructable and it's sweet when you get shot down and crash to the ground.  

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: raptorspike
I want assault because it is Star Fox 64 with better graphics.

No, it isn't. Well at least two thirds of it isn't.

[RABicle]

Star Fox Adventures shouldn't have ever existed.
Star Fox Assualt should've had alternate paths
Star Fox Assualt should've had co-op.

[Infernal Monkey]

I liked Adventures. But that's possibly because it introduced that new character. You know the one, uuhh ooh.. Tricky. Yes. That'll do. But really, it was pretty good fun, I thought I'd get pissed off at all the collecting it apparently has. BUT WHERE? Oh no I had to go into temples and junk to find important objects that move the story along. I also had to find power cells, this is horrible. Still has some of the greatest graphics on GC, too.

Assault. Eh, the flying shooty shoot shoot levels were pretty outstanding. The on-foot levels are pure, uncut awful, and that kinda destroys the fun of replaying story mode. Graphics were a massive step back from Adventures and well, pretty much anything. StarWolf was featured a fair bit, that was cool.

THE VOICE ACTING WAS WEIRD, IT SOUNDED LIKE EVERYONE WAS RECORDING THEIR LINES UNDER THE SEA

[joshnickerson]

Assault was a huge disappointment for me, so much so that by the time I got to the final level, I just didn't have the will to finish it anymore.

Nintendo should've held it back and polished it more. It just makes me all the more glad that Nintendo delayed Zelda until next year to make it better.

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
I liked Adventures. But that's possibly because it introduced that new character. You know the one, uuhh ooh.. Tricky. Yes. That'll do. But really, it was pretty good fun, I thought I'd get pissed off at all the collecting it apparently has. BUT WHERE? Oh no I had to go into temples and junk to find important objects that move the story along. I also had to find power cells, this is horrible. Still has some of the greatest graphics on GC, too.

I mostly agree with you there.

I don't think Adventures is that great of a game. But it is definately a good solid title. Just nothing I plan on playing 20 times. I've beaten it twice and that'll do. But I totally agree that the "collectathon" argument is a little lame. That's just what you DO in certain games. Especially Rare games. But then again I liked DK 64 a LOT so what do I know?

SFAdventures had great graphics and sound, the gameplay was tight and fluid (although I could've used a few more offensive moves with my staff) the level designs were nothing great overall. But a few of the worlds had some really interestingly put together areas. Some of which actually made you have to think in order to solve a puzzle. Overall though, the puzzle solving was light and the enemies were weak. Even the bosses.

But as far as fun games go, this one is right up there. I think anyone who wants a good game for a one time run through, SFAdventures is your game.

[Ian Sane]

"Nintendo should've held it back and polished it more."

I don't think polish would help because it was really a very fundamental design flaw that hurt Star Fox Assault and a poor concept is a poor concept regardless of how well it's executed.  Star Fox Assault's shortcoming were largely due to Namco not being able to resist taking Fox out of his ship.  It's the same major brainfart decision that ruined Rebel Strike.

Whenever there's a character that is hidden from view there's this bizarre impulse companies seem to have to "unmask" them.  I think the logic is that a character isn't as marketable if he's hidden.  In the good Star Fox games Fox is hidden in his ship the whole time so there's an urge to take him out of it so we can see him.  It's the same reason why Metroid: Zero Mission's ending is the way it is.  It's the same reason why Spider-Man takes his mask off every five minutes in the movies.  Of course what they fail to realize is that what the character is hidden by is what people are actually interested in.  That's why Darth Vader is the coolest villian ever while Anakin Skywalker is a emo loser.  The star of Star Fox isn't Fox McCloud.  It's the Arwing.

Though I figure if Star Fox Adventures didn't exist Star Fox Assault would never have ended up the way it did.  Adventures set precidence for Fox to walk around on foot.

[KnowsNothing]

Well, then we can blame Star Fox 64's unloackable 3rd person multiplayer mode for Star Fox Adventures.

So it's Star Fox 64's fault for making Assault suck.

[Ian Sane]

"So it's Star Fox 64's fault for making Assault suck."

How ironic that something I love so much would later hurt me so deeply.

[Don'tHate742]

I never figured out how to make Fox run around in the 64 multiplayer.

I must agree with everyone here, and say that the Cube Starfoxs' have to be the worst Starfoxs' ever created.

Starfox SNES was pure genuis. Starfox 64 was pure madness with one of the craziest bosses ever. Cube Starfox's....well let's just say they never happened. Starfox Revolution should kick ass though.

[Caterkiller]

With the coming generation I think Nintendo will develop most, if not all of its franchises since they will all be reinvented(in some way or another) with the Revolution Controller.  With that being said I think we can look forward to a great NINTENDO developed Star Fox in the coming years.