Topic: More Revolution details soon?

[Spak-Spang]

Ok...yeah this voice thing is real stupid.

Do you not realise that controlling a game by voice just requires a microphone and the software advanced enough to determine what you are saying and how to react to your voice.

In other words, at the very most this is only a PART of the revolutionary controller.  A microphone...which you know what was pretty much a given.  I assumed from the beginning we would have a microphone built into the controller.

At least now we see Nintendo is trying to figure out innovative ways to control games with a microphone...which is really cool.

[Ian Sane]

"The graphics looks like Sonic R."

No they don't.  Aside from the Bullet Bill which looks like it was intentionally made to resemble Super Mario World the graphics look at least as good as Super Mario Sunshine.  It's not very impressive and this footage certainly wouldn't sell consoles but the PS3 and Xbox 360 footage really isn't all that hot at first glance either.  It's not Sonic R or anything like that.  It's pretty smooth with rounded edges.  If something other than Mario was being shown then it would probably look good.  It just looks like EAD half-assing their Mario graphics again.

It is possible that the mic is just one of several features like the DS has.  But still Super Mario Talk to the Game doesn't sound even remotely appealing.

[Spak-Spang]

Its most likely Nintendo has been experimenting with different game types and just like Stage Debut they wanted to show the public something fun they have been working on.

The Graphics aren't top-notch because this isn't a Nintendo game that is being made...its more or less a tech demo for technology that may or may not be used in the Revolution or other Nintendo products.

Remember this could easily be as well a DS game, and then the graphics are extremely hot and fantastic.  (I am not saying that it is a DS game, but I am putting things in perspective.)

[Ian Sane]

"The goal was to shout very extremely in order to make move Lakitu"

Heh heh.  Very extremely.  That suggests this scenario:

"Lakitu move left."
*does nothing*
"LAKITU MOVE LEFT"
*does nothing*
"LAKITU MOVE LEFT YOU STUPID GODDAMN MOTHERF*CKING PIECE OF @@@$#@&%*&$##@^%@^"
*does nothing*

Voice control sucks because it's too inconsistent.  If you tend to mumble or have an accent or a lisp or something you're screwed.  Voice command stuff like on phones and such never work for me.  I'm just too mumbly and speak too fast.  Half the time human beings don't understand what I say.  The hell a damn machine is going to.

I push a button and it works 99.9999999999% of the time unless the game is buggy as hell.  Voice control isn't innovative at all.  It's a total gimmick.

[Artimus]

Sounds just like a fun tech demo they had for people to play with.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Another piece of the puzzle?

A demo rendered on GC hardware using a MP6 mic?

"DS is a hint of things to come" - I hope this is just a hint, cause if this is it then I am very unimpressed and have been very over-hyped

[Bill Aurion]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Voice control sucks because it's too inconsistent.  If you tend to mumble or have an accent or a lisp or something you're screwed.  Voice command stuff like on phones and such never work for me.  I'm just too mumbly and speak too fast.  Half the time human beings don't understand what I say.  The hell a damn machine is going to.

CURRENT voice control is like that...But what if the technology was there to perfect it?  Then it would be a pretty cool addition to any game (obviously not the whole point of the game)

[KDR_11k]

The pic is framed properly, there's the guardrail and the people are positioned properly but there's no way in hell that's a Rev shot, I can see the polygon edges in Lakitu's shell. And the level looks more like Sonic than Mario. Perhaps someone pasted that into an actual photo from the conference. Besides, it's not that dark at the booth.

[Bill Aurion]

Nup, nup, nup, the minigame is definitely real...

[Ian Sane]

"CURRENT voice control is like that...But what if the technology was there to perfect it?"

Still largely a gimmick.  What advantage does voice control really have over buttons?  Technically you can have a lot more complexity with a talking game but the programming would be insane to allow enough options to make voice superior over buttons.  Plus button games are QUIET.  I don't know about you but I don't want to have to talk the whole time or hear people playing in the same room talking.

Plus that's a big what if.  "What if Nintendo has discovered better technology than anything currently in the market" is NOT a realistic possibility.

[Spak-Spang]

Ian Sane:

Voice Controls allow games like Animal Crossing and Nintendogs to be more accurate to how you are supposed to be playing the game.

Another game that could really benefit from Voice Controls is Star Fox.

Imagine telling your Wing Mates how to fly and get into different formations...or help shoot people attacking you.  It would be a very intuitive control system.

How about in RPGs.  You can now just control one member of the party and instead of jumping from character to character realism is added by communications to coordinate attacks and ask for health spells.  

In Advanced Wars DS.  You take the role of a general, able to look upon several battles at once.  Talking to the different field officers and telling them how to run their campaigns to help the bigger war picture.

There are several innovative ideas you can come up with for good voice control games...items that really bring genres to a new level of realism and interaction.  

Also if you could get great voice recognition and commands I think you could literally bring female gamers into the market with new pet sims, and dating sims and such.  

[stevey]

Easy there Ian with the bitching no one say this is a rev game it's just a min-game people played like the "son of god" water min-game

"THere a quite strange mini-play which was placed at the disposal of the visitors on the Nintendo stand in Game Convention 2005.

The goal was to shout very extremely in order to make move Lakitu , the caméraman present in Super Mario 64 DS . A world in 3d was very well carried out with pipes, bombs, plants, all that drawn from the universe of Mario .

Remain to know now if this mini-play were just there to amuse the visitors where well if this one were a new approach of the next plays on Revolution.

The mystery remains whole...."

and ha ha mario it's is 9:00am sat. in tokyo town you are the weakist link good bye.

[Ian Sane]

Spak-Spang those are good ideas but they're largely unfeasible.  Or at least they are in a level where voice commands would be worth it.

I love the Star Fox idea but I can issue commands to wing mates in Rogue Leader without a microphone.  Sure I can only tell them four options but that's realistically all we would have here.  It would take for too much development time to make it so you can tell your wing mates to do anything.  They would have a preset number of "commands" no matter what.  Where voices work is in online multiplayer games where you can tell your wing mate actual commands and they'll interpret them because they're human.  Otherwise it's just "go after the fighters".

In real life if I was playing with my brother I could say "go after those homing bastards" and he'll know what to do.  He knows who you mean even though you weren't totally specific.  With a game you have to say "go after the homing defense missiles".  Like you have to use the real name.  You would have to say real positions.  With a human you can say "to the side of me" and they can tell that there are two bombers on one side of you and a small rock on the other.  The computer might shoot the rock, or not do anything because you didn't say "shoot", but a person would know what to do.

It would take incredible complexity to design a voice command system that wasn't just the equivalent of saying what button to press.

[Spak-Spang]

Ian Sane:  I hated the command issue in Star Wars I didn't think my wing men were actually doing anything.

In Star Fox, I think if you kept the commands limited to 2 or 3 word sentences it is very feasable.  You state the Wingman's name:  "Falco"  wait for a response: "Yes Fox"  Then respond:  "Help Me"  Then the computer sees what enemies is attacking you and sends Fox over there.

It might be faster with a button press but not nearly as cool.


Yes they would have limited commands, but you can open up simple commands to added more complexity.

It might be limited to:

Help Me.
Attack the Boss.
Evausive manuevers.
Fly for Repairs.

But if you can tell your wing mates individual commands...all of a sudden those 4 commands become very strategic.  

[Ian Sane]

"It might be faster with a button press but not nearly as cool."

It would be like a Final Fantasy FMV summon.  Cool the first few times and incredibly annoying forever after.

[Bill Aurion]

If you are in real life and you're a squad commander, do you press a button to tell your squad where to go?  Would you go "Oh gawd, this is annoying having to yell out commands to my team, where's my button presser!"?

[kirby_killer_dedede]

Mic control would be absolutely awesome...if it were only part of the revolution, like the DS, as Ian mentioned.

I believe it was Ares who spoke of some extremely awesome war game for Rev.  I'm not saying I necessarily believe him, but his game idea was a cool one anyway.  It seriously gave me goosebumps reading his description of the game.  It's not a new idea, but I seriously think it would be awesome to be in the middle of combat and deciding on the fly what your people are to do.  If anything's close to "real-time" strategy, it would be this.

[Chris1]

Well the imfamous seriousgamer has just posted that the Rev name will be nintendo entertainment system (nes) and will launch this year, seems very unlikely as much as i'd like for that name and date to happen

[stevey]

"Well the imfamous seriousgamer has just posted that the Rev name will be nintendo entertainment system (nes) and will launch this year, seems very unlikely as much as i'd like for that name and date to happen"

That as like as Matts ending his bitching about nintendo, pigs flying, and hell frezzing.  

[Nile Boogie]

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Originally posted by: Pale
Nile needs to stop recklessly announcing this stupid date.  This isn't the lottery...if you do happen to guess right we aren't going to all bow down to you.

I wanted no one to bow to me. I just wanted folks to no when I was getting my copy of Nintendogs.(Mon Aug. 22nd 2005 1200p PST) "Play on Playaz."

[Pale]

wait what?  you aren't claiming they are announcing the Rev then?  I withdraw my statements then...and act very confused... cause I am... confused.

[Nile Boogie]

I have no idea when they'll show the Revolution as a whole, I just know what's on the controller (A upside down optical mouse ball thing and a blue light).

I would speculate that Nintendo will announce "something" on the date I posted.*






*Please pay me very little mind, as life is hard here in philly at the moment with all this T.O. foolishness.

[Artimus]

How does an optical ball and a blue light play an NES game?

[The Omen]

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How does an optical ball and a blue light play an NES game?

Picture Minority Report.

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*Please pay me very little mind, as life is hard here in philly at the moment with all this T.O. foolishness.

I sure miss the hoopla of being a Philly fan, which is why I'm moving back.  ;-p

[Pale]

Alright Nile, I'll bight.... How do you know this?