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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2005, 09:48:17 PM »
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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2005, 10:19:31 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2005, 10:54:27 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2005, 05:10:51 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 10:53:21 AM »
"You mention Mario 128--two years ago when we talked, you said if you didn't show Mario 128 in the next year, you would consider yourself a failure. and now here we are..."

HOW DARE HE CALL SHIGERU MIYAMOTO A FAILURER!

"EGM: What about this: If you could only save one of your babies from a burning building--Mario, Link or Donkey Kong--who would you save?
SM: [Thinks for a moment] Well, if I saved Link, I'm sure the other two could get out on their own. [Laughs]
EGM: And Link couldn't?
SM: He's too cute. [I'd need to help him]"

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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 06:38:19 PM »
Well Donkey Kong could just climb out. Mario would put out the fire with FLUDD. But with Link it's like, the hookshot can only go so far!
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 07:28:20 PM »
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Well Donkey Kong could just climb out. Mario would put out the fire with FLUDD. But with Link it's like, the hookshot can only go so far!
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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 08:34:01 PM »
What if he doesn't have it? Mario can jump over the flames, Link can't do jack without equipment.

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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 01:02:55 AM »
I was disturbed by the "too cute, I'd have to save him" bit. Obviously Shigy's mental concept of Link is closer to the Wind Waker version than I'd like. While I love than incarnation of Link as much as anyone I don't view it as what Link should be represented as. Link should be thought of as capable and strong. Two things that kids are not...I just totally nerded out didn't I?

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RE:For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 03:28:25 AM »
Shut up, Link has always been Young Link in my eyes. Adult Link is an anomaly that OoT started and TP is cashing in on.

There's something to be said for innocence, wonder and childlike courage. "Big, strong and capable" belongs in any of 94683243 other generic game characters.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2005, 05:29:57 AM »
"I was disturbed by the "too cute, I'd have to save him" bit. Obviously Shigy's mental concept of Link is closer to the Wind Waker version than I'd like. "

No just ww link isn't cute hes funny. All of the zelda had kid link and all of them are cute. He justed was thinking of the ff link since that was the lasted zelda.

"While I love than incarnation of Link as much as anyone I don't view it as what Link should be represented as. Link should be thought of as capable and strong. Two things that kids are not"

so he can be cute and strong at the same time
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2005, 05:34:32 AM »
Bingo, even in Twilight Princess Link looks to start off as a pretty innocent guy...For me, the satisfaction comes from watching Link mature and get stronger over the course of the games...

"EGM: What about this: If you could only save one of your babies from a burning building--Mario, Link or Donkey Kong--who would you save?
SM: [Thinks for a moment] Well, if I saved Link, I'm sure the other two could get out on their own. [Laughs]
EGM: And Link couldn't?
SM: He's too cute. [I'd need to help him]"

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RE:For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2005, 09:14:19 AM »
lol, my my my, such a feisty crowd. It's incorrect to state that OOT was the first apperearance of Adult Link.

LoZ:AoL Link was an adult, or 16 but he sure wasn't a child. And I'm not sure, but he didn't look like a child in LoZ, might be in his Teens, hard to tell.

And ALTTP, Link wasn't a child either, I'm not sure of his age, but the manual art would put him in his teens. it was the limitations that made Link in the game look the way he did.

In essence, Child Link didn't really appeared till OOT. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the past I never heard/seen link below age 9. TP isn't cashing in on anything that hasn't been established over time.


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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2005, 09:31:17 AM »
In a Link to the Past Link was pretty young.  They don't describe his age, but his Uncle wouldn't let him assist in rescuing Zelda.  If he was an older teenager you would think that he would have helped.  

In fact, most of the Zeldas avoid discussing his true age.  The only two that ever make hint of his age are OoT and I think The Legend of Zelda 2...which states that he is older because of the darker theme of the story.

When people say Link is a kid, nobody means he is like 5 or 6...but that he is still of the adventurous stages in life.  He still sees the world as a place of wonder and magic, which is an obvious main theme of Zelda.  When you make a character older you take that aspect way from story.  It then becomes a young man or adult on a more serious mission.  The feeling of the world and story are completely lost.

I think that is why this Zelda game has Link turning into a Wolf.  It brings the fantasy and magic back into the mix.


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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2005, 09:38:56 AM »
Well, Link has technically never been an adult...As Spak said, Zelda is basically about the gradual strengthing and maturing of the character over the course of the story, and even though Twilight Princess starts with an older Link (16), you can tell from what has been shown that he's rather innocent and childish at heart...Over the course of the game we'll see him mature just as we have seen in the previous games...
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2005, 09:57:03 AM »
I'm sorry, MysticGohan24. Given the number of "I don't know", "would"s and "hard to tell"s in your post, you fail at proving anything.

I'll give you LOZ:AoL but not much else. There's a reason OoT started out with Young Link... it's because Zelda has almost always started out that way.

Edit: I was right. Check the SSBM Young Link trophy description.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2005, 10:46:16 AM »
"but the manual art would put him in his teens. "

so every manual art shows him like that (but oot,mm,ww,ff) but there not all the same link. Miyamoto says hes a kid over and over.

"And ALTTP, Link wasn't a child either,"

no in the game its say hes a child.
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2005, 11:47:44 AM »
I'm sorry, but when I read that quote, I read in to irony.  Maybe he didn't mean it that way, but I believe he did.  Out of DK, Mario, and Link, which ones are precieved as cute?  My bet would have gone to Mario and DK.  Link is the only one out of those 3 that has been put in a "realistic" looking enviornment.  But hey, that could just be me.

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2005, 01:50:07 PM »
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I was disturbed by the "too cute, I'd have to save him" bit. Obviously Shigy's mental concept of Link is closer to the Wind Waker version than I'd like. While I love than incarnation of Link as much as anyone I don't view it as what Link should be represented as. Link should be thought of as capable and strong. Two things that kids are not...I just totally nerded out didn't I?


You're one of those guys who wants Zelda to be what it's not. Link was a kid in EVERY game up until Ocarina. Miyamoto's entire vision of The Legend of Zelda is based around a kid who is forced to grow up very fast in order to save the [insert location here].
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2005, 02:37:12 PM »
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I'm sorry, MysticGohan24. Given the number of "I don't know", "would"s and "hard to tell"s in your post, you fail at proving anything.

I'll give you LOZ:AoL but not much else. There's a reason OoT started out with Young Link... it's because Zelda has almost always started out that way.

Edit: I was right. Check the SSBM Young Link trophy description.



Actually I did not pally It just wasn't specific, cep's AoL. But everyone believes oot was the first to have an adult link.
Which is to say not entirely accurate. OOT's link is 16/17 yrs old, about the same age as Link in AoL. I'm going by the Manual artwork for
ALTTP, It can be said he's a kid, but not a child in ways people would view a person under 12.

I didn't fail at anything, except Miyamoto's defination of a "child" But either way it's all good. I personally loved both.
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2005, 03:10:23 PM »
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I was disturbed by the "too cute, I'd have to save him" bit. Obviously Shigy's mental concept of Link is closer to the Wind Waker version than I'd like. While I love than incarnation of Link as much as anyone I don't view it as what Link should be represented as. Link should be thought of as capable and strong. Two things that kids are not...I just totally nerded out didn't I?


You're one of those guys who wants Zelda to be what it's not. Link was a kid in EVERY game up until Ocarina. Miyamoto's entire vision of The Legend of Zelda is based around a kid who is forced to grow up very fast in order to save the [insert location here].


Yeah and you're one of those guys that thinks your opinion is more valid than mine because you say so.

I didn't claim to state any facts. I just gave my opinion. Which is this...When I think of Link, "cute" isn't the first word that pops into my head. And you know what? I GET to think that all I want. Yes I do. Because it's MY head and I can think of Mario as a bad ass pimp if I want. I can think if Samus as a two dollar skank if I want. It doesn't make it fact, it just makes it what I think. That's why they came up with the word "opinion" so people could have a term for saying what they think without claiming that it's a fact.

And I'm not just going off on you here Dark Tempo. As a regular on many, many forums, I have gotten really sick lately of people wanting me to only have THIER opinion on things and only phrase those opinions usuing the words and terms that THEY would use. Some of you people need to learn to discuss things without getting your panties in a wad. Confrontation is one thing, but I'd rather be questioned as to what my reasoning is when I give my thoughts on something. Not told what kind of person I am, what I think, or what appendage of theirs I can suck on.

If some of you WANT to think of Link as someone who is so helpless that he couldn't escape from a burning building, meanwhile the Plumber and the Gorilla are fine, go ahead. I don't care what you think. I may ask WHY you think that out of simple curiosity but you're not going to get any "You are 1 OF DOSE PEEPHOLE WHO TEH SUK AND I H8!" comments out of me. Because I like to converse, not attack.



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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2005, 05:55:54 PM »
Just to try and clarify the different Links and their ages...


The Link of the original "The Legend of Zelda" on the NES is supposed to be 10 years old. The game did not do a very good job of conveying that. I don't think it even tried. The official artwork for the game is a little bit goofy, and he looks more like a hobbit than a human of any particular age. Upon first finding out that Link was supposed to be 10 years old in the original Zelda, most people that I've seen seem surprised.

The Link of "Zelda II: Link's Adventure" on the NES is the same one as above, but at 16 years old. Sixteen seems to be seen as still a "kid" by Western standards, but it seems to be a popular "coming of age" point in Japan. In-game in Zelda II, Link looks about right for 16 year old, as he does in the artwork. I've talked to a couple of people who weren't even aware that there was a time gap in between Zelda 1&2. They just assumed that Zelda had been cursed in the ending of Zelda 1, and that they had forgotten it.

The Link of the animated cartoon shown in America appears to be the 16 year old version of the Link who starred in the original two games, except that he appears to be in some parallel world where Gannon didn't go after the Princess at the age of 10, so Link never defeated him at the age of 10, Zelda and Gannon retain their respective Triforces, and Link has never had the need to seek out his own Triforce.

The Link of "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" (set long before the original NES games) on the SNES is a new Link, who is apparently 16 years old, based on the official artwork, and the later-revealed fact that you can't wield the Master Sword until you're at least 16.

(The Link of the LTTP manga/comic which appeared in Nintendo Power around the time of the game's release is from LTTP (obviously), and while he looks young, he's much closer to sixteen than ten.)

The Link of "The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening" on the GameBoy is the same Link as above, with no significant time delay, meaning he's not much older than 16.

The Link of the CD-i Zelda games appears to be the same Link as above, based on the official artwork, but might not be, as they're definitely not considered "canon". He appears to be 16.

"The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" (set long before the SNES game) on the N64 was the first game to include both a "young" and an "adult" Link. The fully-apparent 10 year old version drew a great deal of confusion and uncomfortability from many at the time, but it was offset by the awsomeness of the game. Many people also found comfort in the fact that you could sometimes play as the 16 year old "adult" Link, who had been given a "mature" quality to him, beyond any of his 16 year old predecessors.

The Link of "Majora's Mask" on the N64 was the 10 year old version of the same Link as above, without the time travel aspect which gave birth to the 16 year old version.

The Link of the Capcom-developed "Oracle" games on the GBC has the same in-game sprite as the Link from Link's Awakening (which was the 16 year old LTTP Link), but that's just because the Oracle games were built off the Link's Awakening game engine. The official artwork shows him as being clearly younger than the Link's Awakening Link, and he is most likely 10 years old. This new Link is later revealed to be from the distant past of The Minish Cap, which is the distant past of the "Four Swords" games.

The Link of "The Wind Waker" on the GameCube is a new Link, 10 years old, now with the childish nature of the series exponentially increased through cel-shading. This caused a schism to explode within the Zelda fanbase, with "adult Link" being held up as the poster child of a side tired of putting up with the 10 year old version, and "original intent" being the rallying cry of the other side, due to the age of the Link in the original NES game.

Four Swords (on the GBA), Four Swords Adventures (on the GameCube), and The Minish Cap (on the GBA), all use official art in the style of the cel-shaded Wind Waker, despite not being cel-shaded, and feature in-game art that looks like a cross between A Link to the Past and The Wind Waker. They are all most likely 10 years old.


Although the bulk of Zelda games and popularity are seemingly revolving around the 16 year old version, Shigeru Miyamoto is apparently on the "10 year old" side of the fence. The return of "adult Link" in Twilight Princess (technically an older version of the cel-shaded Wind Waker Link) seems to be a concession.

I personally wish there wasn't a fence.


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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2005, 06:55:05 PM »
So, just who would you guys save?

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RE: For those that care...the full EGM interview with Shigy and Iwata
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2005, 06:57:16 PM »
Zelda has a green dude that whacks things with a sword, and does amazing stuffs and kills amazing things.

That's good enough for me.
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