Author Topic: Router compatable with the DS (Read 6324 times)

Nemo · « **on:** July 06, 2005, 01:06:14 PM »

I'm going to be getting a router for the computers in my house, but I wanted to make sure it'd be compatable with the DS when online games come out later this year.

I know that 802.11g is faster than 802.11b. I think the DS uses 802.11b, right? (Also, do we know what the Revolution will use?) If the DS uses the b, obviously an 802.11b router would work fine, but would be slower for all the computers in my house. As I understand, an 802.11g router would NOT be compatable with 802.11b devices, such as the DS. So, I think I'm stuck either getting a slower router or not being able to go online with the DS. Am I correct?

Sir_Stabbalot · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2005, 01:14:52 PM »

Wah? 802.11g is backwards compatable with 802.11b. It's 802.11a that's not compatable with either.

IceCold · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2005, 01:23:03 PM »

A 802.11g hotspot signal is compatible with an 802.11b data signal. You just won't get a higher transfer rate if you're using a "b" signal in a "g" hotspot.

So rest assured, that router will work.

Nemo · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2005, 01:40:02 PM »

Will 802.11g devices work in a 802.11b hot spot as well? (Not that it applies to this situation, I'd just be curious to know.)

Pale · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2005, 02:50:21 PM »

Yes...

But only because every 802.11g device is also 802.11b.

Strell · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2005, 04:19:11 PM »

802.11g is just b but faster. They both operate under 2.4 ghz wireless frequency. B is 11 MBps, G is 54MBps (I think that's megabits per second but I could be wrong).

I use a b network right now for my computer and it works just fine.

As far as DS compatability goes, you might want to do some research on the wireless demos that you can download right now. The webpage that houses that information will list a lot of routers and wireless cards that carry specific chipsets that are compatible. I think they use an RT2560 chipset, which should be manufactured by a company called Ralink if I know my cards well enough.

Here's the page with homebrewed drivers and instructions on how to download stuff to the DS:
http://users.belgacom.net/bn967347/download.htm

And here's a list (from the above site) that is supposed to list compatible PCMCIA cards and routers:
http://ralink.rapla.net/

So I assume if you have that tech (which I don't so I can't test it myself), you should be able to communicate with the DS wirelessly (I would have killed to be able to get the Meteos demo from E3 1.5 months ago).

As far as the Revolution goes, my guess is that it will use either b or g. I'm leaning more towards G for gaming purposes (beacuse of the increased speed over b) since more data will need to be relayed as oppsoed to the DS. My guess is that DS data is far less than super 3D detailed graphics.

The next step with router tech will be PreN, but I really don't know much about that. I think they are compatible with b/g, but I'll have to research more (I'm at work, I'll reply later).

Another thing to think about: if you have 2.4ghz frequency cordless phones, you might want to look into investing in a 5.8 ghz frequency phone. Because they operate on the same signals, they *can* cause interference. It won't happen all the time, but it is best not to chance it and to keep the lines are clear as possible.

Grant10k · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2005, 05:26:24 PM »

well, the point is that 802.11b is MUCH faster than your internet connection (unless you have a T1 or something) so it really dosn't matter that it isn't G. G is only good for data transfer (files and stuff) or huge networks, but games are designed to use a relativly (sp?) small amount of data. 11MBps is plenty for DS's networking.

ALL G devices are also B devices, but B devices are only B devices
A rectangle can be a square, but a square can't be a rectangle.

IceCold · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2005, 06:56:25 PM »

"802.11b is MUCH faster than your internet connection "

Yea - the "b" connection turns out to around 1,375 KB/s - that's more than enough as you all know.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2005, 04:15:25 AM »

T1 isn't very fast. According to CNet Full T1 is like 1.5Mb/sec...my road runner is 5Mb/sec...I just wanted to throw that in there because I have a very fast internet connection. Sorry. Anyway, there's no internet connection faster than what an 802.11g router can dish out, except maybe "Internet2". An 11Mb/sec connection = 1375Kb/sec, so it's not going to slow down your connection one bit. High-speed routers are mainly for networked computers so they can send each other huge amounts of data at quick speeds.

Pale · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2005, 04:34:54 AM »

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Originally posted by: IceCold
"802.11b is MUCH faster than your internet connection "

Yea - the "b" connection turns out to around 1,375 KB/s - that's more than enough as you all know.

It's important to mention that there are still many benefits to going to G even if you are only using it for internet. Namely, it will have a better and more reliable range.

I used to work at Circuit City and i was told to tell people they didn't need G if they were only using it for internet. After I used B, had crappy range, and switched to G, I changed my tune. They are so close in price, I highly suggest going G if it is your first time setting one up.

Draygaia · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2005, 07:32:37 AM »

I'm actually hoping that free wireless hotspots around the US will be more common. *hopes gas station, white hen, or wal-greens eventually has one*

stevey · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2005, 03:28:53 PM »

"A rectangle can be a square, but a square can't be a rectangle. "

No, all square are rectangle, but not all rectangle can be a square. and speaking of wi fi dose anyone know how to hack a web key? There five hot spot in my house but all of them need web key and I want to use them to play online ds and my neighbor are evil.

Strell · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2005, 04:39:02 PM »

All squares are rectangles.

A rectangle can be a square, but only if it has all sides the same length.

Additionally, differentiability for a function implies continuity, but continuity doesn't gaurantee differentiability.

My calculus teacher nailed that in my head.

Stevey:

You can hack a key from what I know, but I wouldn't recommend it for the sole reason that this is generally considered, cough, illegal. I'm sure if you googled around you could find the necessary programs. Most of them require that you look at packets and dissect a valid key from that information, and then set up a "dummy" MAC Address. In essence you replace some computer that is connected with a "dummy" (maybe better to think of it as ghosted) address that the router recognizes, and then you can freely send information around. At least, from what I remember reading, that's basically how it works.

Honestly it would be better to just ask if you can connect. While using someone else's connection that you aren't paying for is also somewhat illegal, it's better than stealing bandwidth. In all reality I doubt anyone would notice (ISP or neighbors, etc), but it's best to not chance it.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2005, 09:19:50 PM »

Stevey: Yes, do it! And that's just an unprotected network, breaking into a protected network is hacking and bears 15 years in jail and a 250 000$ fine!

Grant10k · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2005, 10:27:06 PM »

Quote
Originally posted by: stevey
"A rectangle can be a square, but a square can't be a rectangle. "

No, all square are rectangle, but not all rectangle can be a square.

Quote
Originally posted by: strell
All squares are rectangles.
A rectangle can be a square, but only if it has all sides the same length.

Additionally, differentiability for a function implies continuity, but continuity doesn't gaurantee differentiability. My calculus teacher nailed that in my head.

Christ...i was trying to make it SIMPLE. Ok, I'm going to make this so simple that no one can misunderstand it

All G and B will work.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2005, 03:32:32 PM »

Leeching off a neigbor's Wi-Fi, protected or not, is a 3rd degree felony. Someone was the first person to be arrested for this a few days ago. You can probably find a link on MSN. It's just like stealing cable.

Renny · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2005, 05:29:03 PM »

I don't remember him being convicted. There are really no appropriate laws in place to address the issue of unprotected WiFi APs. The laws dealing with accessing networks are pre-WiFi.

I think the DS and PSP in particular could bring this issue to the forefront. They likely won't have any real AP management, and will probably just connect to any 'open' AP. I'm looking forward to 8-year-olds being arrested for happening into ignorant telecommuters' WiFi signals.

jasonditz · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2005, 07:37:39 PM »

Once you see more commercial use of Wifi you'll probably see those arrests dry up. Nothing makes an arrest more politically unpopular than when lots of people realize "that could just as easily have been me".

Personally, I leave my AP open intentionally for people to use if they want to. Not that anybody ever has...

31 Flavas · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2005, 07:51:58 PM »

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Originally posted by: Renny
I don't remember him being convicted. There are really no appropriate laws in place to address the issue of unprotected WiFi APs. The laws dealing with accessing networks are pre-WiFi.

I think the DS and PSP in particular could bring this issue to the forefront. They likely won't have any real AP management, and will probably just connect to any 'open' AP. I'm looking forward to 8-year-olds being arrested for happening into ignorant telecommuters' WiFi signals.

Not to mention that those AP should have been protected / locked w/ at least a WEP key. It's your fault if you don't lock or secure your wi-fi signal then broadcast it into my yard or house or onto a public street where I can sit in my car and use it.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2005, 08:44:31 PM »

An open connection should be considered an open door with a sign saying "come in, take what you want".

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2005, 11:23:40 AM »

Absolutely. If you don't at least use a WEP key you're a moron, inviting people to steal your signal. I'd also suggest using MAC address filtering, so even if your WEP key gets stolen they'd have to be really competent in order to 1) find out the MAC address on your list and 2) spoof said MAC addresses.

If somebody can do that then they deserve to steal my signal IMHO ;-D

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