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New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« on: June 15, 2005, 11:58:38 PM »
I kept waiting for someone to make a new topic on this, but I guess I will.

"Nintendo is always trying to be on the forefront of control innovations, like the analog stick, rumble or wireless," said Miyamoto, "As soon as these are available, our competitors snatch them up. Because the user interface is going to drive the Revolution software design, that's what's going to make our software stand out. Nobody else is going to be able to do what we do with next-generation game software. So, I can't reveal anything. It's under wraps because it's the big gun."

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He mentions, "the," "big gun."  I believe that this is a pun my friends.  Miyamoto has always been tricky, hiding, compacting information, forshadowing things in his interviews.  Remember Dinosaur Planet.

This quote could be taken very generally.  But I think it is very specific.  He is emphasising certain things here.  I can imagine that big gun statement coming back to tease us.  The REV controller could simulate a light gun.  He very well could be refering to the next form of force feedback that also allows many types of games to be made (like haptics which can be used to virtually simulate anything, "a virtual console") such as software for making games or shooters where you hold the gun and feel the gun.  It could alternativly mean gyros are in the controller.  It would be simple enough.  Many though may say it isn't enough even if they emplemented haptics into the thumb controls of the controller.  That is why I brought up haptics first for the controller, for arm controls rather than finger controls.  Gyros would work better for body movements.  People always ask about how gyros would work for control when you would have to concentrate on keeping your arms level in a game despite you body position.  The gyro would make more sense perhaps if it was placed inside a VR helmet (the answer to the eyetoy and HD) allowing you to use the gyro soley through your head and full body movements (no camera needed); and your arms can opperate the controller seperatly and freely.  Imagine controlling Super Mario 64 by leaning forward to make Mario run faster.  I remember doing that unknowingly when I first played Super Mario Bros on the NES.  It didn't affect the character on screen, but it was more of an impulse, a reflex.  I was immersed in the game experience.  I was in awe and completly associated with the character.  So much so that I moved my body with the character.  I've seen Miyamoto display games in the past and he leans when he plays.  Perhaps this is a forshadowing of future Nintendo control methods.  

I believe that a key part of the REV is that it is virtual.  If it is virtual it can simulate the arcade, traditional console gaming, and PC gaming.  It can bring the arcade home again.  Now days when I think of what seperates arcade games from console games is that arcade games are much more simulative.  Perhaps you really have a sword to swing.  Or you have to use both arms to control the podracer in Star Wars.  You really have a control mechanism that you move with your arms.  A steering wheel for example.  

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RE:New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2005, 01:12:47 AM »
You freaking love your "haptics" nemo.....is there a thread out there that nemo has not brought up the topic of haptics into??
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 02:26:54 AM »
If the Rev controller is anything like a gun, I will shoot them with it. That would be a very constrictive idea.

Personally I see it in a general sense, and that alone has me excited. I can't recall a time I've seen Miyamoto so pumped up over a single feature (and no, he didn't quite equate connectivity for the GC as "a big gun"), so it must be something that really gets his creative wheel cranking. Third parties jumped on the new DS technology, so I HOPE the console ones throw us a few bones here. At least one man outside Nintendo is pretty excited.

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RE:New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 03:39:54 AM »
I know what the rev controller is =p
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RE: New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 05:23:10 AM »
Famicom:  Thanks for posting those links.

That makes me feel better.

Remember the last time Nintendo had developers excited and hyped up about a system?  Yeah it was the DS.  And although it had a rocky launch, the DS is continually proving that is the handheld system to beat, even against the superior powered PSP.  

Developers just see the DS as a great system to try new ideas for, and the relatively cheaper development costs over the PSP games make it much easier to take risks.  

There are so many games for the DS I wish I could buy it is unbelievable.

Kirby
Pac Pix
Ultimate Brain Games
Mario
Metroid Pinball
Advance Wars DS
ect...

If Nintendo delivers with a unique control experience, and a yet announced hardware surprise, then Nintendo may just recapture alot of developers imaginations.

Also remember that these developers are more likely to know alittle more than us about Revolution, and they still don't know what Nintendo is up too...or they do and NDAs prevent them from commenting.


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RE: New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2005, 05:36:05 AM »
I'm a bit worried that there's STILL a lack of direction in Mario 128. I don't see the game coming out for years still.

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RE:New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2005, 05:42:06 AM »
Who cares about Mario 128?

Based on the information we have, Mario DS is the one to watch right now. Let's worry about 128 once that's safely in our grasp.

And I think you're looking too much into this metaphor. "Big gun" is a pretty common thing to call this kind of stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2005, 06:03:26 AM »
Indeed, i don't think its the end of the world if Mario 128 doesn't see the light of day for awhile either. The 2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO.

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RE: New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2005, 06:06:24 AM »
I care, and I have cared since 2001. This topic has nothing to do with New Super Mario Bros, but yeah I can't wait for that too.

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2005, 06:22:20 AM »
Actually I have a feeling Mario could be designed relatively quickly.  Mario probably has one of the largest development teams.  They are probably already designing character models and the like for enemies and friends alike.  They possible are even designing the basic level structures and worlds for the game.

What isn't yet designed is what will be new that sets the Mario game apart from the other Mario games.  They probably have a few options and Miyamoto is doing what he does best.  Watching gamers play the mechanics, and figuring if the people are having fun.  He loves to watch people and determine new ideas from the reactions of players, not just what he thinks may be fun.  It is one of the most interesting aspects to his game creation process.

Mario needs to bring something big to the table.  Sunshine brought alot of uniqueness to the formula created by Mario 64, but this new Mario needs to either drastically change that formula, or bring something new that will keep the formula fresh (which may not be possible.)

These experiments can be done while other work for Mario Revolution is being worked on.  Then Nintendo can still make launch.

However, Nintendo may decide not to launch with Mario and keep him for later.  This may be a good move to present Nintendo as a new company if their new IP is more mature, and launches the system.

Super Smash Brothers Revolution
New IP
Online multiplayer Metroid on Revolution

That would be a good Nintendo launch lineup.


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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2005, 06:48:42 AM »
I agree, except for the multiplayer Metroid part. Super Mario Revolution will probably come out soon after Revolution, March 2007 is my guess. It's going to be hard for the new IP to get attention launching against a new Super Mario game.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2005, 06:58:00 AM »
"I'm a bit worried that there's STILL a lack of direction in Mario 128. I don't see the game coming out for years still. "

What! I've been waiting for mario 128 when I gotmy cube

"Who cares about Mario 128?"

I do I've been read pgc every day just wait on mario 128 news

"Indeed, i don't think its the end of the world if Mario 128 doesn't see the light of day for awhile either. The 2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO. "

Not for me it is! Mario 128 were are te tho!
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RE: New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2005, 08:02:42 AM »
"Imagine controlling Super Mario 64 by leaning forward to make Mario run faster."

That would, well, suck.  Moving your body while playing with a controller is one thing but actually using this movement to control the character is different.  I've done the "jump with the controller" thing too but when I do that I'm not moving the controller in a precise manner where I'm trying to control the jump with my movement.  That would just be ridiculously imprecise.  If that turned out to be Nintendo's big idea I wouldn't buy a Rev.

I think "big gun" is just a figure of speech.  "It's time to bring out the big guns."  It's a popular saying.  Does Miyamoto even speak English?  This is probably translated so we don't even really know what he said.

From the sounds of things I imagine Mario isn't going to make it for the Rev launch.  They would realistically have to be working on it now instead of thinking of concepts.  I don't know how I feel about that.  I think the Cube launch was hurt by the absense of Mario but the real problem seemed to be that Luigi's Mansion was too short to be the flagship title.  It was really more the absense of an epic game to last through the post-launch drought.  So having Mario at launch probably isn't needed provided Nintendo makes up for it with something of equal depth and scope.  If they launch with a DS-style lineup of glorified mini-games then they're f*cked but they should be fine if that have something with some meat to it that people want to play for a long time.  In a way actually it might be better to have no Mario since Mario is very overexposed right now and could use a break so that his next platformer gets more notice.  Sunshine was largely ignored because to the average Joe Mario had been in at least one new game every year and thus they didn't notice the significance of a new platformer.  Plus Nintendo has a negative image of rehashing the same stuff over and over again.  With no Mario the Rev might look fresher like Nintendo is trying something new.  But it's important that Nintendo has something equally as great at launch.  And that means it has to be for traditional gamers.  The "real" Mario games aren't non-gamer games so a non-game as the flagship title wouldn't be a good substitute.  Mario fans are longtime game fans and thus there has to be some major game at launch for them.

"2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO."

Who's going to buy a Rev for DS games?  

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RE: New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2005, 08:06:46 AM »
Yeah.  Smash Bros.
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And I beleive he just meant "Big Gun" in the sense it will turn Sony and MS into quivering bits of charred flesh.

...well, maybe not exactly that, but you get the idea.
 
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2005, 11:23:17 AM »
He talks through a translator, does he not?

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2005, 11:31:29 AM »
So hopefully Nintendo is going all out this gen.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2005, 07:56:38 PM »
"Its capabilities, such as the function to play with the DS via Wi-Fi connection, might change the way of gaming, and it's interesting."

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2005, 08:18:59 PM »
I saw that too, but I think that he was trying to say that "It is a possibility that it can connect to DS games"
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2005, 11:12:24 PM »
everyone knows "big gun" means main attraction
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2005, 11:54:44 PM »
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Hino commented that the Revolution will probably have a very unique hardware spec, which he is looking forward to


I really hope he's not just pulling this out of his ass and he's actually been let in the know...the "probably" tells me he does know something...perhaps the rumored PPU.

And I would also be surprised if "big gun" was supposed to be taken literally, I was excited by it because it was one of the first times in a while that someone from Nintendo actually came out and said that the controller specifically is going to be revolutionary.

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2005, 03:29:49 AM »
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Originally posted by: stevey
"I'm a bit worried that there's STILL a lack of direction in Mario 128. I don't see the game coming out for years still. "

What! I've been waiting for mario 128 when I gotmy cube

"Who cares about Mario 128?"

I do I've been read pgc every day just wait on mario 128 news

"Indeed, i don't think its the end of the world if Mario 128 doesn't see the light of day for awhile either. The 2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO. "

Not for me it is! Mario 128 were are te tho!


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RE:New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2005, 05:52:39 AM »
With Reggie saying that the game would be at E3 this year, I assumed it was well into development.  The comments about the team still playing around with concepts for the game definitely have me worried too, but I think it's still possible that this could be available at or near launch.  And that is the good news about the game being moved over to Revolution: If it were released at launch and showed off the Revolution's capabilities well, Super Mario 128 would have a lot more impact both as a game and as a selling point for Nintendo.

But what the heck am I supposed to play UNTIL Revolution comes out?  It's not like Zelda is going to last forever.

I'm happy to hear Miyamoto speaking so highly of the system's interface.  I'm really looking forward to it!
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2005, 06:25:12 PM »
Zelda is eternal!!!!!!!!
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RE: New article featuring Shigeru quotes, "the big gun."
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2005, 08:51:05 PM »
Then why did my opy of Link's Awakening die shortly after I finished the game?