Topic: First Revolution Picture!

[Mike_Tyson]

Wow I thought it would be starting soon, then again it probably meant morning in the US not England, thanks bigjim.

[Mario]

5 hours 16 minutes 10 seconds to go!

or

314 minutes 10 seconds to go!

or

18890 seconds to go!  

[Dryden]

I think the DS / PSP comparison sounds about right, Pudu.
Microsoft is claiming a 13 to 15 times more powerful system, and Sony's claiming 35 times more powerful.  Nintendo is 2 to 3?

By those numbers, I'd say the Revolution has roughly a fifth of the power that Sony is tossing around.  This falls in line with everything we've heard so far, too - from the DS as a good indicator of their direction in the market, to Gamecube development tools being used for the Revolution, to the severe emphasis on innovation over power.  But I'd say that Sony and Microsoft's new software with entire armies of individual AI is fairly new, never mind graphical improvements.

Here's what I think could save Nintendo's bacon:
1.  And I've long said this, 3-D Display.
2.  Gloriously simple interface with their Wi-Fi plans.
3.  The aforementioned infinite reverse compatability, all the way to NES.
4.  Extensive support from companies like Square-Enix and Ubisoft.
5.  Mario 128 - but only if it fundamentally challenges the way video games are played.  (How do you do that?)
6.  A severe underevaluation of the Revolution's actual power.

I don't know, gang... that PS3 is looking mighty hard to top.  I love every franchise that Nintendo ever created, but my fanboy-ism is dying off.

[TMW]

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Originally posted by: DrydenHere's what I think could save Nintendo's bacon:
3.  The aforementioned infinite reverse compatability, all the way to NES.
4.  Extensive support from companies like Square-Enix and Ubisoft.
5.  Mario 128 - but only if it fundamentally challenges the way video games are played.  (How do you do that?)
6.  A severe underevaluation of the Revolution's actual power.

I don't know, gang... that PS3 is looking mighty hard to top.  I love every franchise that Nintendo ever created, but my fanboy-ism is dying off.

#3 Well, considering it's been said you'll be able to download older games, up to and including Super Mario Sunshine, I think that one is in the bag.

#4 SE did say they liked the way Ninty was approaching online.  In a public statement, no less.

#5 Mario 128 is a GC title.  Not Rev.  But, even if the Rev does half of what they say it will do, it will fulfill #5...

and #6...heh.  Maybe it's a typo.  What they actually meant was "2 to 3 times the power consumption of the Gamecube."    

[Dryden]

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#4 SE did say they liked the way Ninty was approaching online. In a public statement, no less.

Yeah, and Square-Enix has the power to sell systems on a large scale too.  But I don't see the flagship (FF XIII) leaving the Sony fleet soon.  Maybe more Crystal Chronicles, though.

More importantly...

Uhhh...
Why does the pic of the Revolution say Gamespy at the bottom... but Gamespy doesn't have the image?
Fake?  Or did I just not find it on Gamespy?

[BigJim]

Is there a link/video to Nintendo saying Mario was a Cube title? The only thing I heard about Mario was from Reggie at the GDC, and all he said was that Mario 128 would be at E3. There was no comment on the platform?

[Rhoq]

It looks nothing like I thought it would. Dare I say, it looks a bit boring. I thought it would have looked closer to a cross between the Mac mini and the XBox 360. But you know what? Who cares. This simple design is what Nintendo needs. What's under the hood is all that matters. I'm very glad that they when with a color that will be more widely accepted than the GameCube "Indigo".

Hopefully - we'll get our first glimpse at this baby in action later today.  

[Mike_Tyson]

To be honest I love the Revolutionary edge but it doesn't make me want to dump the advanced technology the PS3 brings with it.

When I look at it head on I honestly don't see the Revolution touching the PS3 in terms of advanced technology, it has 1080p support and can support input to two HDTV's at the same time off one console and the graphics look like CGi(I literally mean it), also take into account the advancements they've made with the eyetoy it mimics minority reports, overall a VERY impressive piece of hardware and incredibly advanced piece of technology.

The Xbox 360's initiative was to combat Sony directly in terms of advanced technolgoy and powerful hardware and they fall short of nearly half the performance the PS3 can pull off, if Xbox 360 carries on the "buy our console because it's powerful" nonsense they'll obviously hurt themselves, Revolution know they'll have trouble competing with the PS3 in terms of power so they say "hey look we're doing things differently, come buy our console", now different opens up an entire gateway of possiblities, different can be good or bad, being totally different is NOT good though, Gamecube is an example of going against the grain, they went so different they alienated support for themselves.

Revolution on the other hand sounds like absolute genius, a mix of rumors, speculation and fact are about to go into the next chapter so don't quote or flame me:

First this console is purported to possess a certain amount of power, not enough to topple the leader the PS3 but enough to give them a run and probably topple the Xbox 360, as much as Nintendo hate to admit it this is important, Nintendo seem to have the graphics side of things taken care and it looks like theyr willing to change.

Second this console is supposed to be small and sleek, the PS3 is supposed to be relatively... well tiny while the XBox 360 is of a similar size to the original Xbox, small works and by making their console small Nintendo are in a good position, sleek also works, Gamecube was sort of gimmicky and purported as a toy, ensuring the Revolution doesn't look gimmicky is an important issue for Nintendo and from what they tell us it is something they've taken care of.

Third is online, online is becoming more important and MS lead in this field but Nintendo are supposed to be offering the same serives live offers for free.. can you say jackpot?!?!

Fourth is software support, now going off what we've heard from president of S-E and several other dev's theyr interested in the Revolution and for good reason too, the Revolution could give them new territory to explore and which Dev doesn't enjoy that kind of challenge, aside from that good third party support of ports is also looking a lot more likely than it was on the Gamecube.

Fifth is peripheral support, Hard drives are becoming important to games, how about Revolution take the plunge and put a HDD bay in, this one might not happen but theyr planning on downloadable content so it's back on the tables, well have to wait and see.

If Revolution does all of the above which it has either been rumored to, speculated to or confirmed to have done then the Revolution hits the jackpot... now this is where it gets interesting.

So revolution offers what the other consoles offer and even takes the other consoles in a few of the fields, now what Revolution needs is something to seperate itself from the crowd... something.. I don't know maybe "Revolutionary", bingo again, if Nintendo can honestly pull off something different that isn't seen as a gimmick then jackpot.. no doubt about it, rumors have been floating around about a control which is pressure sensitive as in the harder you squeeze it the faster you go if your in a racing game and there have been rumors about a controller getting hot in gameplay, I don't know what Revolution will offer but it has to be something interesting, if it is then seriously Revolution should see itself in second spot, I think Sony will own this generation yet again but whoever second spot goes to is questionable, if Revolution can pull off what we're all hoping it will then Revolution takes spot number 2.

[pudu]

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Originally posted by: Dryden
I think the DS / PSP comparison sounds about right, Pudu.
Microsoft is claiming a 13 to 15 times more powerful system, and Sony's claiming 35 times more powerful.  Nintendo is 2 to 3?

By those numbers, I'd say the Revolution has roughly a fifth of the power that Sony is tossing around.  This falls in line with everything we've heard so far, too - from the DS as a good indicator of their direction in the market, to Gamecube development tools being used for the Revolution, to the severe emphasis on innovation over power.  But I'd say that Sony and Microsoft's new software with entire armies of individual AI is fairly new, never mind graphical improvements.

Here's what I think could save Nintendo's bacon:
1.  And I've long said this, 3-D Display.
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He're the thing about 3D displays and 3D display technology: every single way of creating a true 3D image takes double the processing power.  Due to images needing to be rendered for both eyes seperately the framerate is in effect halved.  Talk about weak...take that 2-3x more powerful and cut it to 1-2x...this means it could be a gamecube but in 3d?

One good note:  we all seem to be worried to heck right now...could this be Nintendo's way of setting our expectations so low and getting us so down that their show CAN'T dissapoint?  lol

[Dryden]

Nope - I don't beleive it.
Sorry, gang - but I'm calling out the IGN info as being false.  the picture is too small - and noone else has it - and the info they leaked doesn't seem like it would be from Nintendo at 2:00am the day before an unveling.  "According to Nintendo" my a**.

EDIT:  I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong.  Give me a few hours.

[pudu]

Seriously.  Why would they post an image of that size and not even say how they got it or anything of the sort at the wee hours of the morning only hours from the conference?  Couldn't they wait to assure credibility?  I swear sometimes IGN irks me off.

[Rancid Planet]

Other people have it up as well. Newsweek I think, or maybe it was USA today, I don't know, in my tired condition it could've been Jugs magazine and I wouldn't have remembered.

Edit: I checked it was USA Today that has it up. Of course those guys are no NY Times...heh.

Double Edit: I can also tell you that n-philes and nintendojo are reporting this. As is my site but I can tell you I used IGN as a source.

[kirby_killer_dedede]

The console looks awesome (other than that white thing at the bottom, its fugly, but it does look detachable...HARD DRIVE?).

Specs wise...I'm disappointed.  And IGN, as much as I hate them, tend to have their ways of getting this stuff before anyone else...

[Pale]

My god...  why does everyone fall for the hype....  If the 360 was really 35 times more powerful than the x-box shouldn't it be able to read my mind?

Holy sh*t you are all frustrating....

[kirby_killer_dedede]

I've decided I'm not making any judgements about the system until I find out what the Revolution is.

Well at least this picture tells us that Rev will indeed be at the conference today.

[Stimutacs Addict]

exactly. This is nintendo. if this thing is 3d, then i imagine the "2-3 times" to include the 2d effects on. Plus, it's going to look nicer than they want us to think

[Caliban]

I like the way the Rev looks, plain and simple, no complex design, and shiny-black.

About it's power, I thought alot people should have learned from experience already that Nintendo always underestimates its home-console power, well at least they did same thing with GC. So for now I just want to see footage and specs so I can make a decision that has already been made which is to buy it.  

[joshnickerson]

Okay, what the FUNK? You people are ALREADY whining?!?!?! And what, because it's ONLY two to three times as powerful as the Gamecube? Okay, first of all, the Cube is an amazing piece of machinery. Just take a look at RE4 for an example. It already looks almost perfect. Make it look twice or thrice better and it's gonna look pretty much like real life.
Secondly, what the hell makes you think Sony and MS aren't simply LYING about their numbers? Saying s**t like "Yeah, the Xbox 360 can display TWELVE ZILLION POLYGONS" and under their breath say "when you take out any textures, lighting and every single special effect. Oh yeah, and only in black and white vector graphics."


...okay, I feel better now

[Caliban]

Josh, although I agree with you there are alot of people out there that don't have the same perception for technology as some of us do, and so when they hear Sony/Microsoft say "We've got PS3 to do infinite polygons." (just an example, of course I exagerated just like them) what do you think they are going to decide?! They will go and buy PS3/XBOX360. It's all about who has more power at home.

[henryhund]

Well a couple E3s ago, I seem to remember a company (cough, Sony) that said a certain system (cough, PS2) could do in the range of 110+ million polygons or something.  Nintendo, on the other hand, said GameCube could do (how many was it? I'm not sure the exact number... Nintendo must have done a good job convincing me that numbers aren't importatn) like 3-4 million polygons.  Everyone scoffed at GameCube's lack of apparent power.  But that didn't really matter.  When it came down to it, Nintendo underestimated its power and Sony VASTLY overestimated.  Although things DID turn out in their favor.

Plus, was it not Microsoft who Photoshopped a bunch of Xbox screenshots before it came out?

[slingshot]

It will be awesome.

I am sure someone will come up with a "jacket" to cover the ReV in whatever lollipop junk you want.  "skins" are popular with cell phones.

[pudu]

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Originally posted by: henryhund
Well a couple E3s ago, I seem to remember a company (cough, Sony) that said a certain system (cough, PS2) could do in the range of 110+ million polygons or something.  Nintendo, on the other hand, said GameCube could do (how many was it? I'm not sure the exact number... Nintendo must have done a good job convincing me that numbers aren't importatn) like 3-4 million polygons.  Everyone scoffed at GameCube's lack of apparent power.  But that didn't really matter.  When it came down to it, Nintendo underestimated its power and Sony VASTLY overestimated.  Although things DID turn out in their favor.

Plus, was it not Microsoft who Photoshopped a bunch of Xbox screenshots before it came out?

This is very true.  Nintendo got so much criticizm for releasing a more realistic 6-12 million polys/sec with effects on rather then Xbox 300+ million/sec.  It must be said xbox looks better then gamecube in the graphics department as a whole but come on, those numbers were BS.  It's all a marketing game and Sony and MS and good at it.  Also consider this:  to run at 60 frames a second you must always divide the number by 60 to get the actual polys that can be displayed.  By Nintendo's estimates the Cube runs between 100k and 200k polys in a scene during a game and that's probably accurate.

P.S. sorry I like numbers and specs

[BlkPaladin]

In today's USA today, they had a little advertisment right beside the title of the newspaper on the front page. And the article is the head article on the Life section. The PS3 only has a tidbit in the article that says details are on page 5 of the Life section..

They bring up that all game will be downloadable up to first party games for the gamecube. (They don't know if they are going to charge for the service, or have it for free. They says game from the arcade days of Donkey Kong to current games of Mario Sunshine.)

Then they bring up the power statement. It seems they are playing on ease of development for "all access gaming" as Kaplan puts it.

[Pale]

Its not a question of Nintendo underestimating their console, its a question of the public being f*cking stupid....

So, if the X-Box 360 is 35 times more powerful than the standard x-box what does that mean?  I mean, logically, it should say that the 360 can take Halo 2, and render it 35 times on teh same screen without dropping a frame.  Come on people.  How the hell can you be so stupid as to believe that?  If you are, then don't buy a fricken Nintendo and stop posting on this site so I don't have to read your garbage anymore.  Seriously.

Will the Rev be able to render the new Zelda 2-3 times on teh same screen?  Almost definately...  Is that an amazing thing?  Sure as hell is.  Are MS and Sony basically lying to the public?  They sure as hell are.  Is the public stupid enough to believe them?  Most likely.

[BigJim]

Nintendo has said before that X system is Y times more powerful than their last... At least they did when discussing GameCube. They didn't say it was just 2-3x better than N64 either.

It's not really about falling for the ridiculous claims of the competition. Performance has legitimately improved exponentially in the last 5 years. It's fair to expect that with the new consoles. 2-3x better, even by Nintendo's conservative means, still suggests it may not be in the same league as the other platforms. You may need that much more power just to support higher video resolutions. What will that mean for textures and lighting?  Will developers have to choose between VGA and high-quality effects or 1080i with lower quality effects?

It's definitely wise to hold judgement until we actually see some video. But the knee-jerk reaction thus far is still partially valid, at least for the moment.