Topic: Revolution Secret 'Leaked' At Brokensaints (SPOILER)

[Spak-Spang]

BILL:  Best Icons Ever.  Seriously, that is great stuff.  I will laugh every time I see your posts now.

[Mr. Segali]

Hehe, I actually laughed out loud.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Not really sure where to post this and didn't want to make a new thread

Collection of everything we know/heard about Revolution so far:
GameSpot forums

Was Nintendo using HD-DVD (HD-DVD is now in the process of being merged w/ Blu-ray)?
If they were using HD-DVD do you think that they will use the new hybrid format as well?

p.s. this post is about the picture @ the link, I posted it here cause it also contains the info from the "Aries" posts

[Caillan]

I'm definately not a photo-editing expert, but I'm suspicious of that picture. It's a strange coincidence that the textis exactly straight, down to the pixel, if you rotate it -23 degrees. So are the lines, except teh middle one is isn't quite paralell with the other two. The 'Nintendo' logo at the top and bottom are slightly different, as you'd expect from a photo, but the copyright symbol is unusually smudged on the top and missing completely on the bottom. If you look at the dot below the HD DVD symbol, you'll notice disparity between the size and tone of each copyright symbol. This may indicate that someone scaled the symbols so they wold look good when pasted onto a CD. I say fake, for now.  

[Arbok]

I'd say the picture of the CD is most likely fake, mainly beacuse the "Internal Use Only" just doesn't look right to me there in terms of position, but it does make me interested to see what short title they give to the system.

[BigJim]

No question it's fake. Common sense says the format will be proprietary just as all formats in the past have been. You won't see HD DVD, DVD, or Blu-Ray logos on Revolution discs.

That aside, even black ink would appear slightly reflective. But it's all uniformly the same color no matter where it appears on the disc (shaded or lit). The "internal use" line would be less than pristine considering the backdrop. It looks like the reflection lines were used to keep the text straight in photoshop.

[Savior]

Sure past consoles used other formats. It would be nice if the Revolution added this new stuff just to be on the same level as the PS3

[Bill Aurion]

Looks like a real disc to me...But I couldn't care less about the media the Rev uses...

[Don'tHate742]

Why not?

If it uses HD-DVD, it may be able to read future movie releases.  

[Savior]

1.HD/Blue Ray Movies might be big, being a HD/BR movie player out of the box will help them be even with sonyy

2.Its a bigger canvas for game developers. No reason to hold the genius of Miyamoto or Shinji Mikami back  or Hideo Kojima...  

[Ian Sane]

"If it uses HD-DVD, it may be able to read future movie releases."

I think that's why Bill couldn't care less.

If Nintendo using HD-DVD gives them an advantage in regards to games then Nintendo should go for it.  But if it's just for some new movie format that currently isn't even in stores who cares.  Make a quality game machine first and then if it's cost feasible throw in some extra frills.

[Savior]

Nintendo is a game company. They wont add HD DVD if it doesnt help their games..

[Deguello]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray no longer exist.  Sony and Toshiba scrapped both in favor of a unified format to be determined later.

[Don'tHate742]

Well, I wasn't distinctly stating that Nintendo should add that as an incentive to invest in HD-DVD. They do need to concentrate and decide which is better for the system. However, for us users, when it comes to the day where we (not we, we) have to decide wether we want a REV or a PS3, the fact that the REV can play movies will come in handy.

It did for the PS2, and it will for any other console.

Nintendo should careless, but we should want it to play movies just because. It's like why wouldn't your favorite brand of computers not to play dvd's? It already plays all your favorite games, but why not dvd's....for free?

[Bill Aurion]

Except it's not free...I do NOT want to pay 100 dollars more for a function I will NEVER use!

[Savior]

I think Iwata or Yamauchi said the DVD playback led to Sonys big lead. You might not want it Bill but many many others do.  

[The Omen]

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Except it's not free...I do NOT want to pay 100 dollars more for a function I will NEVER use!

Come on, Bill.  Surely you don't put your interests in front of Nintendo as a whole/?  They need to have it if the PS3 and Xbox 2 have it.  

[Don'tHate742]

"Except it's not free...I do NOT want to pay 100 dollars more for a function I will NEVER use!"

How can you say that? If they are incorperating the HD-DVD drive into the REV simply because it provides ample room for games, how can you say that you'll be paying 100 dollars more a function, when that function is neccessary to play the games?!

Sometimes I don't get you Bill....

Your faith is too......blind.

[Shift Key]

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It's like why wouldn't your favorite brand of computers not to play dvd's? It already plays all your favorite games, but why not dvd's....for free?

What? A DVD drive might come standard with a computer, but it is added to the cost of the system. Its a totally different thing to what you're all on about.
And brand computers are horrible. Build your own and end up with a more powerful computer with money to spare.

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If they are incorperating the HD-DVD drive into the REV simply because it provides ample room for games, how can you say that you'll be paying 100 dollars more a function,

Because technology costs money. And HD-DVD is not even a dominant format for movies at the moment - throwing it into the Revolution would make it much more expensive, thus turning people away. And who knows if the format will be successful?
Even if they included this magical new format, but  turned off the movie playability, you wouldn't be happy at all, I'll bet. That's called hyprocrisy. Because then you'd complain that they should be able to play movies. Bill's just drawing a line, and he does have a point. There are ways around the maximum capacity of a medium...

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They need to have it if the PS3 and Xbox 2 have it.

Last I heard the 360 is going to have DVD9 (dual-layer DVD for those playing along at home) so don't bet the farm on that hunch.

[ruby_onix]

HD DVD/Blu-Ray/whatever is a brand. The guys in charge of the brand demand money that goes toward slapping a fancy name onto something.

Going with a custom format is almost automatically cheaper (assuming you can produce in the right amount of bulk). The problem with the GameCube's disk format is that it was smaller than DVD, which turned out to be too small.

Panasonic could probably make Nintendo another custom-format that's bigger and cheaper than HD DVD/Blu-Ray (I mean, they're both already "old" technologies). The only drawback would be that it legally wouldn't be allowed to play HD DVD/Blu-Ray branded movies.

Yes, it would be nice if the Revolution played HD DVD movies. But how much does an HD DVD movie player cost? If that name-brand by itself (we're not talking about the quality of the storage medium here) bumps the Rev's launch price up from $250 to $350, is that really a good idea?

I'm sure it would be a "selling point" and might be a good business move. But as a gamer, that's just getting in the way. That equals a least a extra year or two of price drops until the system gets into a person's price range.


Of course, everyone always says "Nintendo can afford it", and just expects Nintendo to eat the cost on that. Give them a free system. And look the other way while they download pirated games. And Nintendo should give out more t-shirts. And buy them a lollipop.

Well then, why settle for Nintendo giving you a $350 system (with HD DVD) for $250? Why not ask for Nintendo to give you a $250 system (without HD DVD) for $150? It's the same thing. Both are $100 cheaper.

[KDR_11k]

Wasn't Nintendo very close to Panasonic, one company from the Bluray group? PS can give out licenses to BRD technology. If Nintendo came around and asked them for a disk format the result would likely be a BRD derivative. Means the drive is already BRD compatible in most respects. Shouldn't cost much to go from there to full BRD support and since companies are prepared to make even UMD movies I'd say if a major consumer electronics device can play BRDs you're going to see a lot of movie publishers release BRD versions of their movies. Since Sony is very likely to use BRD technology as well and the X360 won't push any HDDVD tech into people's homes it's likely that BRD could win against HDDVD since there won't be a market for HDDVD content.

But then, N might be so scared by all those movie companies supporting HDDVD they might just switch their tech. Don't expect great multi-media support from Nintendo but I think they know that at least some basic support will help sales.

[Don'tHate742]

I think you all misunderstood me.

I simply looked at the picture Bill provided. Using that I mentioned the possibilities of it playing future movies, then somebody said something about cost, then my words were mixed up.

Ok, let's say Nintendo picked HD-DVD, NOT TO PLAY MOVIES, but simply because it meets all there needs videogame wise. So, 1-3 years down the line...hey look HD-DVD movies, cool...hey wait! Doesn't the REV use HD-DVD...ya! you think they can play on the REV? Wow they can!

That's all I was implying damn it! It would be like an easter egg, rather than an incentive. It would just be nice to have....wouldn't it?!

[Savior]

The Rev will play movies as well as games folks, i think its almost a given.

[BigJim]

But how are you that certain, Savior?  

[Savior]

The chip is called Hollywood, Iwata and Yamauchi have said that one of the reasons why the PS2 succeded was due to its DVD playback, and finally Nintendo getting into the animation industry.