Topic: REV's appearance and marketing

[PaLaDiN]

"You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing."

For some reason that reminded me of the commercial in that Futurama episode with the 80's businessman.

I want something like the NESP. While the competition stumbles all over themselves making something futuristic-looking, Nintendo remembering their roots would be kinda cool.

[PowerHair]

Not green, Xbox is green.

Personally I prefer the red idea for Nintendo.

How about silver, black, and red, metallic or otherwise.

Phazon suit anyone?

[PaLaDiN]

"Phazon suit anyone?"

Mentioning that is bound to draw comparisons to the infinitely cooler Light Suit, and we've already been over that color scheme.

Sigh... here we go again with conflicting wants. Nintendo's got their work cut out for them.

[nemo_83]

no, i believe it should be a neutral color (white, black, or silver)

it does not matter what color you pull out of the crayon box, people are going to say it looks tiku tiku tiku!  because color + gaming = toy.

sexy neutral + gaming = electronic device

Nintendo knew this when they launched their first four systems and first handheld, but got ahead of their customers with the look of VB and GC.  

[Dirk Temporo]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
...With a name like Revolution the ads just write themselves.  You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown.  It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans.  We're taking games BACK.  That sort of thing.

Best. Idea. Ever.

Along with "Evolution is slow. Start a Revolution."

[Grant10k]

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing."

For some reason that reminded me of the commercial in that Futurama episode with the 80's businessman.

Futurama actually copied that commercial from the apple commercial "1984" which aired during some superbowl (I mean copied in a good way, that was an awsome episode) The real commercial (HERE, 13.1 megs, quicktime) was basically the same thing, exept it was Apple rebelling against the mainstream computers, basically IBM.

I actually linked that page earlier but didn't explane what I linked to very well, so I am re-linking it here.

[kennyb27]

wandering_nintendo_fan, you really have to stop posting that.  It looks like a freaking baby monitor.  I don't want that anywhere near my room or any games.  (And I'm not usually one to complain about how something looks.)

[PowerHair]

Then perhaps what is required is mulitple colourings.

If they release the Rev with every single possible colour combination everyone will find something they like.

[wandering]

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wandering_nintendo_fan, you really have to stop posting that.

I've only posted it once (well, twice, if you count me quoting someone else).

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no, i believe it should be a neutral color (white, black, or silver)

I agree. But, there's no reason Nintendo can't have a nice secondary color for the REV. If the Xbox has bright green, and ps2 has blue...there's no reason Nintendo can't throw in a splash of red, or bright blue, or metallic green. I think the DS's completete lack of color hurts the system's appearance somewhat. Same thing for the black GameCube.  

[Bill Aurion]

Well the black isn't the Gamecube's main color, purple is...

I think Ninty should repeat what they did with the Gamecube, but with three colors this time...A standard color and two "stand-outs"...

[Robotor]

I really liked the metallic colors of the GBASP, I think that metallic red would be way rad to have on a console.  Dual tones, with either white or black highlights and then the same metallics used for the GBASP.  And even then they could have just a pure black/white/silver/platnium/whatever be shown as the main color.  I mean, if the system looks really cool, and it doens't affect price I'm all for it.  Unless of course it's bigger than it needs to be, as I don't have much room to fit things into my entertainment system.

[kennyb27]

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Originally posted by: wandering_nintendo_fan

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wandering_nintendo_fan, you really have to stop posting that.

I've only posted it once (well, twice, if you count me quoting someone else).

Well, I was counting in other threads too, though.  Still a joke though.

[Praxis]

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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
Ok now you are forcing me to...

There are two possible reasons that your Dell is slow...

1. You bought a 600 dollar machine and are comparing it to a 2k machine in a Mac.
2. You don't know how to take care of your computer.

We can't argue appearances as that is all just opinion... but the fact that you think Apple's last longer just shows how much you don't know.  Apple's may _seem_ to last longer only because it is a very closed box system.  You can't touch it.. upgrade wise....  and most people don't even install any new software other than stuff that is mass marketed and tested.

People who use PCs just don't have any concept of what a computer is.  Its something that runs programs.  period.  You get your nice shiny PC and then install any number of piece of crap software off the internet until it slows to a crawl...then chalk it up to the computer's fault.  I'm running a windows based machine that the central parts are over 5 year's old...  You show me a 5 year old Mac and my machine will blow its doors off.  I can render the same frames in Maya in half the time of a freaking G4 for christ sake and thats only 1 generation ago.

Anyway, to make a long story short, Macs are awesome little machines for what they do.  They are idiot proof and pretty.  If you want a machine that is actually powerful, you don't buy a Mac.  You buy a PC and maybe learn a thing or two about it.

Wintel Fanboy killing time.

1) Can't touch it.  Typical ignorance arguement.  In fact, many Macs are actually MORE upgradeable than a PC.  With the PowerMac G4 line especially, the processors were on a daughtercard.  You could literally turn a single 400 MHz G4 machine into a dual 1.5 GHz machine, put a much more powerful graphics card and a few PCI cards in it, and have a sweet setup.  My Pismo I routinely open up when I'm board in class (teachers don't notice), poke around the hard drive and processor and stuff, etc.

2) Show you a 5 year old Mac?  Sure.  I'm running a 5 year old PowerBook G3 running the LATEST operating system (Mac OS X 10.3 Panther) at a good speed and using it for classes every day (I learned my lesson after dropping my PB G4).  Further, my school in one room has 6-7 year old iMacs (G3, 333 and 500 MHz) running Mac OS X 10.3 and Photoshop CS.  Macs last a long time.

3) "Idiot proof and pretty but not powerful".  Stunningly ignorant statement.  Mac OS X is UNIX based and a very powerful OS.  Windows is a massive peice of crap with terrible design and disgusting security.  Don't get me started.  You can even run a number of Linux apps in Mac OS X if you recompile them from source code with the included developer tools.

And btw, all the PowerMacs went G5 two years ago.  The G4 processor hit a brick wall and was stuck for a while with almost no clockspeed increase before a massive jump with the G5.  So comparing your Maya framerates to a G4...no.


Mac OS X is the entire reason to buy a Mac.  It IS the most advanced OS on the planet.  Panther easily blows away Windows XP, and Tiger (coming out in two weeks) has almost all the features from LONGHORN (next version of Windows not coming out for another 1-2 years).  

[Praxis]

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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
One last thing...  My argument for PC superiority to Mac has nothing to do with operating systems.  Most people like one more than the other only because they are more used to it... and that's fine...  I just enjoy the competition in the hardware PC industry.  It allows for more flexible, upgradable, and powerful systems.

That's just ridiculous.  I would rather have a stable OS with excellent performance, better features (as in nearly a generation ahead on features), that is extremely secure and easy to use, is nearly virus proof, supports open standards, and has no slowdown, than a computer with twice the power (which is NOT true of PC's, btw, a while back benchmarks had the fastest PC outperforming the fastest Mac with equivilant RAM and graphics cards by about 10%-15% in games only, Mac won in some other categories...) and a peice of crap operating system that has more holes than swiss cheese, gets slower the more you use it, has proprietary formats, required registration, uglier interface, and is buggy in comparison.

I spend more time looking at my computer screen than most other things.  And when I do that I want to be using a good OS, not caring whether I get 300 or 330 FPS in a game (yes, that was the difference between the Mac and the PC).

And your comments about Mac upgradeability are again silly.  Okay, its true of the all in one systems somewhat, but what the heck do you think they sell TOWERS with PCI-X and AGP for?



What I'd love to see is a Nintendo/Apple teamup.  The Rev is rumored to have G5 processors, and a hard drive, right?  Can you say NintendOS X?  Imagine a package that adds a keyboard and mouse for the Rev and allows you to turn the Revolution into a full fledged Mac, complete with connectivity to the DS's PDA software if that rumor turns out to be true?

[Caillan]

I'm with Praxis here. I'm using the x86 archetechure and I'm ashamed of it. But Flux/Blackbox is still the best WM ever

I believe that only thing Nintendo needs to do is stop plastering Mario to every game that's not going to sell by itself. Then it's image will improve. Not only will the games not seem so 'tiku'd up', but Nintendo will lose it's image of a rehash company as well. I once had an idiot tell me that Nintendo never did anything original whilst he explained the merits of the Tekken series. No matter how stupid they are, if someone believes that then Nintendo has screwed up their marketing big time.  

[PowerHair]

Another thing about design... a friend of mine believes the PS2 design is superior because it fits into peoples home arrangements more like a traditional DVD player and has the Disc tray. The gamecube in general cannot fit into home thetre shelvesand the like and even if it did cannot be open because of the top loading.

I'm not advocating trays or looking like the PS2, but it should be a consideration.

[Spak-Spang]

Nintendo needs to do something that is a friendly color scheme to have in the house that also fits into media centers and such.  

I would have liked Nintendo to have gone with white, but it looks like MS is going that route.  Perhaps something sleeker.  Something like what Apple has pulled off.  Apple's new stuff looks sexy and hightech.  It just looks that it is advanced.  Nintendo needs that look with the new system.

[wandering]

I've suddenly remembered an idea. I think it's mine, but I might have picked it up in a message board somewhere. Here it is: Alternate color choices are provided directly out of the box. How?  A strip of light is present around the sides of the console (or underneath, or somewhere else) that can change color according to your preference.

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I think Ninty should repeat what they did with the Gamecube, but with three colors this time...A standard color and two "stand-outs"...

I like this idea because I think it would actually make the neutral color feel more central and prominent.
But....I think marketing-wise it would be even better to follow DS's route: launch with one style... make the revolution unique, cool and easily identifyable. And then branch out with alternative styles/colors later.

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Well, I was counting in other threads too, though. Still a joke though.

Ah, didn't catch that you were joking. Sorry.
That picture has been linked to a whole bunch of times for some reason, but by people other than me. I really have only linked to it once (or twice) total.

[Praxis]

The problem with x86 is bandiwidth.   A good quote:

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the x86 Architecture forces every subsystem's throughput into a single fronside bus which then communicates to the CPU and Main Memory. This has worked fine, I was a Wintel user for 10 years myself before switching. The problem with that is every component of your system (USB, Ethernet, Graphics, PCI Cards, etc) is all fighting for bandwidth, so if your say trying to use multiple programs and access hardware functions (ie CD/DVD Burning) this causes system slowdown and because Windows is written the way it is (I'm not sure the tech side of the software) can cause programs to stall, crash, and freeze the system (remember when you couldn't do anything while your CD's were being burnt, that's because of x86's and Windows limitations) This is even worse due to the fact that the intel/amd CPU's only offer limited instrution sets (OK "1" on any non Hyper-Threading/Hyper-Transport System, those offer a whopping "2", Perhaps more on newer AMD's) There are more limitations I may mention later for now, lemme compare whats above to the current Power4 Architecture. Oh one more little thing before I move on, the maximum throughput of any Intel system is 6.4GBps

Power4 at it's core, allows EVERY subsystem to talk directly to the main memory and the CPU INDEPENDENTLY, NOTHING fights for bandwidth due to whats at the core of the Architecture, the System Controller. Forget Northbridge/Southbridge, The sytem controller regulates data moving through the system, it can direct data where it needs to go directly, making for efficient data throughput. On top of that, add to it, Branch Prediction Logic, with 95% accuracy (roughly), BPI can detect where data needs to go before it reaches the cpu, making dataflow even faster. Also add Enchanced Velocity engines in each CPU, DUAL INDEPENDENT SYSTEM BUSES Maxing out at 1.25GHz (For the moment) TWO CPU's with 2 Double Precision Floating Point Units per (Intel/AMD = 1) and you have a system that's total throughput max's out at 20GBps with much more efficiancy than that of any x86 system on the market today. A 3.8 GHz Pentium or for that matter a Dual Core 3.4GHz Pentium can't even compare when it comes to true RAW POWER, The Dual Core Pentiums still use a single System bus and the same architecute thats been around since 1989, ok so that's that. By the Way, Each G5 has 8 In-Flight Instruction Sets, VS 2 on any x86 system (AMD may have more as cited earlier, I'm not 100% on that)

My suspision is that is why the XBox 360 is going PowerPC now...

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I believe that only thing Nintendo needs to do is stop plastering Mario to every game that's not going to sell by itself. Then it's image will improve. Not only will the games not seem so 'tiku'd up', but Nintendo will lose it's image of a rehash company as well. I once had an idiot tell me that Nintendo never did anything original whilst he explained the merits of the Tekken series. No matter how stupid they are, if someone believes that then Nintendo has screwed up their marketing big time.

Good point there.  I had some guy once tell me that Nintendo never makes new games because we always get new Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games (ignoring that no two Mario games ever had the same engine and no two Metroid games ever had the same engine excepting MP2, and most Zelda games had different game engines every time)...  Almost burst out laughing, but the guy was serious.  

[Picceelo]

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Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen
Personally, I wouldn't mind AT ALL (well maybe how it's missing 2 controller ports for SSB:M) if this was the final design for the Revvie.  It's nice looking and doesn't really look like a toy IMO.  But it's not stackable.

The Revvie

I like that, but I like this this better.

[Don'tHate742]

Wow welcome to the "how many freaking times can I post that pic" club Picceelo, your number is...oops we've seem to of ran out of numbers....Congradulations, your the letter "A".

I think it would be cool if the FRONT of the REV was split in half vertically, then the two halves would slide outwards revealing a DVD insert slot in the middle. It'd be kinda freakishly cool. Like the console version of Alien. Actually now that I think it about it, it could also be the console equivilent of a vagina.

weird.....

[nickmitch]

The inapropriate replies are just flowing out of me.

[DrGAKMANx]

The Nintendo REVOLUTION & GAME GRIP Concept

The Nintendo REVOLUTION & GAME GRIP Concept & Description

Here's a link to my lil' webpage where I have more details about my conceptual drawings.

Hello Rick Powers!  I had to start a whole new account just to post here since it's been so long.

[RickPowers]

lol

[WesDawg]

I've always wanted a bright blood red console, but I'm to cheap to get one painted. Seems like the best thing they could do is sorta go XBox360 route except a little better. Give the entire unit some sort of customisable cover. If there was an easy / relatively cheap way to buy and put on a cutom cover, I think people would be all over it. Even better if they'd let you customise things like front lights, controller face plates, etc. The cube even had those customisable jewels on top of it, they just never released any you could buy.

I think the idea of whoring out Mario a lot less is pretty good too. Although I really love Mario Golf, but I'd still buy the game if they took him out.  And I think it would actually help their sales in the long run, as a lot of people seem scared of buying something that says Mario on it.