Author Topic: Hardcore ssmb (Read 26512 times)

foolish03 · « **on:** April 05, 2005, 04:45:54 AM »

Wow this is the way to smash-out(yeah thats what i call it.) These guys take ssmb to a whole new level. I stopped playing it, mainly because i sold my copy. I think im going to repurchase it. Check out these sweet videos

(on a side note does this forum support the link name here format?

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http://ssbm.captainjack.jp/maji2-2.html

Pale · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:16:11 AM »

I wasn't that impressed. I mean, you can tell they've played a lot.... But I think I could at least take a few rounds against them.

foolish03 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:29:24 AM »

I just never thought anyone would play smash brothers like that. They do seem to add a little more depth to the game that I hadnt seen before i watched there the videos. Maybe thats why im so impressed.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 05, 2005, 08:49:57 AM »

Some of their techniques are amazing. For example, Link holding a bomb till it explodes to give himself another jump to reach the platform.

However, like PaleZerO said...I could take some rounds with them. I'm not bragging, but I think I could beat Link and maybe Sheik too (only vid I saw). It would definitely be a good match.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #4 on:** April 05, 2005, 09:35:45 AM »

Those are some pretty average fights (not to brag). Compared to the way my friend and I play, these are a little below average. I do like how they kinda use they same people we do though. My friend uses Samus and I use Jigglypuff. When me and him fight it's intense. All that comes to an end though when I switch to my main man, Falco.

Seeing the videos though reminds me that I can actually block though

Keep on forgetting about that.

darknight06 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 05, 2005, 09:51:40 AM »

Ummm, these are national tournament level players, no you WON'T beat them. That's not even a quarter of what those guys do.

Pale · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2005, 10:33:17 AM »

I'm not usually one to beg for online play, but this is why Smash Brother's needs to be online. I'd love to take on some of my fellow braggers here =P.

And darkknight...national tournment players doesn't necessarily mean we don't stand up to them. The fact that i recognize almost every move and combo they do is what brings me to my conclusion that I may be able to take a few rounds from them. You putting them on this stupid god like pedestal is stupid. The comment reminded me of watching those stupid Madden tournament specials on G4...

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2005, 10:49:44 AM »

I concur with PaleZerO....

Maybe if we were in that tournament, we could of proven ourselves at least a little bit. Online play with ranking and tournaments is exactly what I want from SSMB. It's intense when you play someone at your skill level. It makes you think cleverly and at a pace that you don't normally play at.

Anyways, those guys are good, but there not unreachable in terms of skill. I don't play very often (on and off for about a year 1), but even I can confidently say that I could hold my own against them.

PaleZerO, once SSB Online is made for whatever console....you got a competitive partner

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Hostile Creation · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2005, 11:51:01 AM »

I can't really tell how good they are without playing them, but it's nothing I've never done or seen.
My friend and I are so good we play most of the match not even hitting each other

One technique with Marth: I noticed he got turned around by Dr. Mario's cape when he tried to get back on the stage and therefore died. Easily solved if you wait for Marth to fall to the lowest point that his up+B technique will still reach the edge of the stage. I do this as often as I can, and the character can't affect my recovery in any way (and certainly not the cape). The distance is easy to judge with practice, and I seldom ever if ever fall when I do it.
Rest assured, they are damn good and would probably beat me. But with practice I could become as good or better. My own friend is an excellent player and I could beat him all the time the first six months I had the game (when it was pretty much the only thing I ever played). Now he and I are about matched, but we're both still amazing. Our friends marvel when he and I duke it out (since we're always the last two standing).

Edit: The one guy kicks ass with Sheik, though. Sheik's probably my second best, but this guy's technique is excellent. I'm going to have to borrow a few

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2005, 02:13:21 PM »

I've made one music video for this game a while ago.
I play this game on weekends with friends for maximum hilarity.

I've gotten all I could ask for from this game. No need to be an "expert."

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My Tomato can beat-up your Pokeball.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2005, 02:43:11 PM »

The fact is though.....you don't need to be an expert, because there is no need to be an expert. If tournaments were setup constantly around where you live, I'm sure you'd give SSB a little more time to become an expert.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2005, 03:11:42 PM »

Not at the cost of my Emerald Blue JPN GCN controller. 4 first-party GCN controllers of mine kicked the bucket because of this game (analog dead zones bigger than EAD Man). NO LONGER, NO MORE WILL I SACRIFICE. I SHALL SET THEM FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Shift Key · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2005, 03:30:19 PM »

What is this Super Smash Melee Brothers game that they're all playing? I donot understand!

In any case, these guys are good, but they're not gods.

Side answer: Use [ L = link name here ] urlhere [ /L ] without the spaces around the brackets.

MattVDB · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2005, 03:31:20 PM »

When I play, it isn't always about not getting hit. It's about hitting more. The difference being, I can spend the majority of my time dodging, trying to get a hit in, or, I can accept a 5% hit, knowing that I will be dealing 15% or so back. That is how I play. I don't mind getting hit, as it is part of the game, just as long as I get something for it.

When playing for points though (Bonus mode is a fun diversion) first strike is worth quite a few points. I played against a player matched with me, and we didn't hit each other for more then half of the round. Every projectile thrown was either dodged or caught, and every close attack avoided. It's scary when that happens. The dance formed is just awe inspiring to watch.

I was surprised to see that nobody used Samus. I was dissapointed at first she didn't handle the same as in the original, but she works wonders in Melee. Like I've said before, I've toured college campuses for tournaments, and haven't lost a round in a year. Pale and Don'tHate, when SSB online comes around you have yourself a match. Oh, and Pro666, I like the music you picked for the video. It fits well.

Arbok · « **Reply #14 on:** April 05, 2005, 04:48:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: MattVDB
When I play, it isn't always about not getting hit. It's about hitting more. The difference being, I can spend the majority of my time dodging, trying to get a hit in, or, I can accept a 5% hit, knowing that I will be dealing 15% or so back. That is how I play. I don't mind getting hit, as it is part of the game, just as long as I get something for it.

I assume this is advice vs. the computer, as against a veteran player all they often need is that first hit to start on a quick series of attacks before smashing you far enough away that you will be at square one again, having gained nothing, or, even worse, far off the edge allowing the other player to ledge gaurd in order to see that you don't make it back.

As for these videos, I must say I'm amazed. Like the Marvel vs. Capcom 2 movies of this same nature, it looks easy, but once one actually tries to mimic what they are doing they notice how advance they are. I was pretty amazed how well they were playing with Marth, chances are I would get owned pretty fast when playing with my fav, Ganondorf.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:01:02 PM »

Ya Ganondorf = easiest charachter to counter with Roy

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MattVDB: Sounds good man... I don't play in tournaments, but I do bet, and like you, I haven't lost yet.

MattVDB · « **Reply #16 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:24:48 PM »

Well, what I was saying was hypothetical, and mostly situational. 5 and 15% runs aren't all that common. What I was meaning was, there are certain moves that are more powerful get up moves, for example, then flat out attacking moves. If I choose to use those type of attacks, I have to let them hit me. Really, it is hard to give blanket advise, for every situation, but for me, I've found this technique works better then trying to dodge every single punch thrown. Now, I do understand that if I'm playing against somebody who combos continually I'll only sparingly accept damage, but really when it comes down to it, it's a game of king of the hill, not boxing. The percentage doesn't hold as much sway as being able to hold them off. There were only one or two moves they pulled that I haven't seen or done myself, but I do respect them for getting to play nationally. That would be awesome.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #17 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:35:27 PM »

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Originally posted by: MattVDB
I like the music you picked for the video. It fits well.

Thanks a bunch.

StoneColdLink · « **Reply #18 on:** April 05, 2005, 07:29:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: foolish03
Wow this is the way to smash-out(yeah thats what i call it.) These guys take ssmb to a whole new level. I stopped playing it, mainly because i sold my copy. I think im going to repurchase it. Check out these sweet videos

(on a side note does this forum support the link name here format?)

http://ssbm.captainjack.jp/maji2-2.html

Dude, when you see the videos of Ken or Isai, keep in mind those are the 2 best Melee players in the world. Azen was one of the best, until he retired from the game. Trust me, Im a hardcore Melee player, I have played against Wes (Best Samus in the world) and Dave (best Falco in ther world) and they are quick and unpredictable. Ken has won like 4 or 5 MLG (Major League Gaming) tournys in a row. Need to know more about the other people on Captain Jacks site, dont be afraid to ask.

StoneColdLink · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2005, 07:33:08 PM »

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Originally posted by: darknight06
Ummm, these are national tournament level players, no you WON'T beat them. That's not even a quarter of what those guys do.

I agree, I have seen Ken, Isai, Azen is real life play. These guys are insanely good. Ken is the best in the world, hands down. You WONT beat these guys, all you can do is dream about it, cause in the real world, it wont happen, trust me, I played those guys before.

foolish03 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 05, 2005, 08:37:33 PM »

Well of course its nothing you havent seen. Smash brothers melee isnt really that deep compared to games like street fighter and soul calibur. They do however fight very gracefully with much skills. I never thought of ssbm as a tournament worthy fighter. I havnt played in a while so im not the greatest of fighters(i do pretty good with roy). Thats probably the reason im impressed. Im on the lower end of the skilled ssbm players.I doubt the majority of you could hang with the top ssbm players. Its great to dream though right.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #21 on:** April 05, 2005, 09:41:37 PM »

Never say never unless someone chops off your fingers and you can't even play video games. That's my motto.
SSBM is very deep. Random buttons pulling off moves that you have to learn is not deep. Knowing every move right off the bat and having to blend them together perfectly (ie, what you would do in most real fights), is much more so in my opinion. But normal fighter games pretty much bore me.

Dasmos · « **Reply #22 on:** April 05, 2005, 10:16:38 PM »

The only videos i have watched of them is the ones concerning Dr. Mario my fav and expert character......i was disappointed it was so basic. One thing i do more is jump yeah so i think i could beat Marth in that instance hands down. IMO anyways.

EDIT: I just watched one of the Marth/Falcon battles....more intense....yeah i couldn't beat him (marth) easily or at all.

foolish03 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2005, 01:57:04 AM »

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Never say never unless someone chops off your fingers and you can't even play video games. That's my motto.
SSBM is very deep. Random buttons pulling off moves that you have to learn is not deep. Knowing every move right off the bat and having to blend them together perfectly (ie, what you would do in most real fights), is much more so in my opinion. But normal fighter games pretty much bore me.

What exactly do you mean by this. Are you implying that the games I mentioned do not have depth. Dont get me wrong I love smash brothers. It does have a level of depth to it, its just not as deep as fighters such as street fighter(not the vs series). It may be boring to you but it takes much skill to master these games, particularly street fighter(third strike). Maybe the reason you believe you can match these players head to head is because there isnt much depth to the game. Techniques are basically the same. Customization of fighting styles is limited.

If those didnt amaze you maybe this will
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=726109

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2005, 05:34:59 AM »

I'm saying half the skill in those games derives from having to know what series of buttons (which you couldn't know without a manual or lots of experimentation) pull off certain moves. Memorize those moves and you're well on your way to mastering the game. Quite the opposite is different from Smash Brothers. You can know every move in the game without knowing how to use them.
Maybe they're equally deep, but traditional fighters try to give a greater impression of depth through hiding what moves you use, so that someone who plays the game a lot and bothers to learn specials does particularly well. I never do in those games, since I don't know what the specials are. That and they're too clunky for my taste, but this is personal opinion, mind you.

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Author Topic: Hardcore ssmb (Read 26512 times)