Topic: wtf is happening to the DS????

[NWR_Lindy]

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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing

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Also, the GBA played games and styles of games that had come from the previous two generations.  It kept those games alive.  The PSP is playing what we're playing right now only alot worse.

So when Nintendo rehashes a Mario game from a previous generation it's a noble gesture that "keeps those games alive", but when Sony releases something like WipeOut Pure they're ripping us off?  Come on.  The games coming out for the PSP are good games in their own right.

[couchmonkey]

I think most of the games on the PSP are good games in there own right too.  I do have a bone to pick with games that are basically exactly the same as the home console version, I don't think that's a great idea, but then I don't care for the NES Classics series, either.

I think there is a bit of an unfair bias towards the DS in that it's expected to to do something with its features in every single game.  I bet if a top-notch title that didn't use the features were to come out it would still be well received, but the media seems to ding a lot of DS games just for not using the features.  I have a feeling this will start to sort itself out as the year goes on, though.

[KnowsNothing]

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So when Nintendo rehashes a Mario game from a previous generation it's a noble gesture that "keeps those games alive", but when Sony releases something like WipeOut Pure they're ripping us off? Come on. The games coming out for the PSP are good games in their own right.

I said games and STYLES of games.  The mainstream wants everything 3D, but we need something to keep 2D gaming alive.  Take Mario & Luigi for instance; it's a beautiful, original game, that would not have been released if it weren't for the GBA.  What other console would except it?  The PSP does have original games, I'm not saying it doesn't, but the majority of the games are almost exactly like the console versions from THIS generation.  I never said anything about Wipeout Pure, so uhh, what the hell.

I'm very happy that the DS embraces both 2D and 3D gameplay.  Even the PSP has a few 2D games (although they are fighters and puzzlers...) .  The longer it takes to eradicate 2D gameplay the better.  

[Bill Aurion]

So when Nintendo rehashes a Mario game from a previous generation it's a noble gesture that "keeps those games alive", but when Sony releases something like WipeOut Pure they're ripping us off? Come on.

You've got to be kidding me...Nintendo ALWAYS gets bitched about when it comes to remakes or sequels while Sony gets off scotch-free!

[NWR_Lindy]

KnowsNothing: So you're slagging the PSP because it promotes 3D gameplay.  Well then slag the GameCube, XBox, and PS2 for that matter.  They're all "guilty" of making 2D gameplay a thing of the past.  One could argue that the only reason handhelds are currently the last bastion of 2D gaming is because it's the one area where Nintendo can get away with selling obsolete technology.

Bill Aurion: I was pointing out the hypocrisy in what KN was saying, I wasn't agreeing with him.  Both Nintendo and Sony feed us the same old same old, it's not like one is any better than the other.  They just do it in different ways.

[KnowsNothing]

I'm long past the fact that 2D gaming on consoles is pretty much dead.  What did I have left?  Handhelds.  One of the PSP's main attractions is the fact that it can pull off impressive 3D visuals, and certainly its target group is expecting nothing less than that.  The PSP is just helping to eradicate a style of gameplay that I, and many others, truely love.

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One could argue that the only reason handhelds are currently the last bastion of 2D gaming is because it's the one area where Nintendo can get away with selling obsolete technology.

I can totally live with that.

And now I've long forgotten what my original post was.

[thepoga]

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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing

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I said games and STYLES of games.  The mainstream wants everything 3D, but we need something to keep 2D gaming alive.  Take Mario & Luigi for instance; it's a beautiful, original game, that would not have been released if it weren't for the GBA.  What other console would except it?

Paper Mario? Viewtiful Joe? Smash Bros?

[NWR_Lindy]

KnowsNothing: I hear you.  I love 2D games to death, and I hope they don't go away entirely.  I realized a while back that what I probably love most about 2D games (and in particular games like Final Fantasy III and Chrono Trigger) are their hand-drawn backgrounds.  Something about those backgrounds always amazed me, like I wanted to see how beautiful and detailed they could be.  They were like pastoral paintings.  Only recently have 3D games reached the level of detail to really provide backgrounds that take your breathe away (God of War on PS2 is about the best I've seen for this).

[KDR_11k]

Even if 2d gaming completely dies on the consoles, handhelds and even the mobile phones (that'll take some time...) there will always be the good, old PC. Loads of independents making 2d games of varying qualities (the japanese seem to be better at this, though). Sometimes you'll see a game like Doukutsu Monogatari which can easily compete with commercial offerings.

[MrMojoRising]

Sure there may be 2-D games on the PC, but I don't own a computer and I've never used one...ever...

[thepoga]

Oh, and Alien Hominid! I forgot to mention that game. I really couldn't believe it was released on consoles though. It's probably the last game with sprites we'll see in awhile.

[NWR_Lindy]

As long as Treasure is around we'll always have 2D action games.  I really hope somebody still carries the torch of 2D RPGs though...I really enjoy games like Golden Sun.  Simple but elegant, and a whole lot of fun to play.

[KDR_11k]

MrMojoRising: Then what are you writing this from, a WebTV? On the Mac there's Virtual PC which should be enough for those 2d games.

[MrAustin]

It's sad to see that 2D is going away, truly it is, but there can be just as much beauty in 3D.  I used to only play 2D games, yet I realized that to continue doing so was denying myself of present experiences, which in 10 years I'll speak of as fondly as I do now about the glory days of 2D (I agree with whomever mentioned FF3, etc).

As far as the NDS/PSP debate, my view is this:  I had a DS, I have no patience, and I have no DS.  I have a PSP, patience need not apply, I'm happy.  I don't bash others for wanting a DS, it's just not my ball of wax.  I understand that with new hardware there is always a period of 'getting to know' what it can do, but at the end of the day I just want a good game and could care less what hoops the companies we pay to play said game have to jump through to get it done.

[KDR_11k]

2d will live as long as the PC indy scene lives. Of course that's niche but hell, if you care about 2d you're probably niche as well and finding indy stuff should be no problem for you.