Topic: wtf is happening to the DS????

[thepoga]

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Originally posted by: altf4
To each his own man, Maybe some people prefer gaming systems that can be broken by pusing the edge of a quarter on the shell.

Also, PSP is brand spanking new, so basically what mario said.

And maybe some people prefer to be able to SPELL! OH!!!! Just kidding man. What did u mean by the last thing you said? It has nothing to do with what Mario said, unless I'm reading it wrong. Are you talking about the launch line-up? And if so, what does that have to with the PSP being brand new? yeah...

And I prefer systems with only three good games after 5 months. Makes them a lot better. Urg, I wish I lived in Japan.

[IceCold]

He was talking about Mario the poster...the one with DK on his avatar

[thepoga]

i knew that, I just don't know what he means. I guess I'm just not cut out to be smart.

Yeah, I should be studying for my IQ test. I just gotta pass it.

[MrMojoRising]

I'll probably be more interested in buying a PSP when the next-gen home consoles are out because it will likely have different games than the ones I can play on my home console.  I'm not spending 50 bucks on Tony Hawk for a handheld when I can get it for my console for the same price.

[cronotrigger913]

OK, I'll come out and say it, I have an N-Gage QD. Yes, I know, it's pretty scary, but I actually like it. I have only one game for it, which is Colin McCrae Rally 2005, but I have to say its actually pretty fun. It's interesting to actually have a handheld port of a home console game, even though it's like PS1. I get sucked into the game very quickly, just like my home console games, even though the screen is half the size of the GBA one. And that's where I believe the DS has failed. It really is a third pillar of gaming, but what is the reason for it? Do we really need a new way of playing video games? I'm still having fun playing Metroid Prime, Zelda, Star Fox, Metal Gear Solid 3, and others, so why change the rules? I have a lot of fun with my DS, but everyone is looking for the ultimate gaming experience out of this thing, and I don't think that is what it's intended to do. It's made to give you a different look on interactive gaming. The PSP is working what everyone knows and likes. If you don't like gaming in home consoles, don't get a PSP, but we all know we do. They are asking too much for the games, though, but it's understandable with that you are getting: a console game. But I do agree that the DS's library is very thin. You basically have only 3-4 games to say are any good. I guess this summer looks somewhat better, with Kirby, Polarium, and Meteos, but the PSP already has a good library right out of the gate. And nothing shows me it will stop anytime soon, even though it didn't have the best launch.

[KDR_11k]

There is a reason for the touchscreen. Consoles so far never had absolute controls and games based on them would always suffer for it (RTS, FPS, puzzle). It's also much better for interface navigation. Tapping options on the screen is much better than selecting them with a dpad.

[cronotrigger913]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Tapping options on the screen is much better than selecting them with a dpad.

But do we need to spend $150 for a better way to go through an options menu?

Don't get me wrong, I love the DS and its ideas on gaming, but sometimes I just want to play a game like my consoles. Metroid Prime Hunters seems to fit this bill perfect because it plays like a full game with a story and a sense of progression, but this is only one game, and it isn't even out yet. To me, minigames do not make a good console for long.

[MrMojoRising]

I like(d) my GBA because it gives me a different gaming experience than I get on my home console.  This includes games like Minish Cap that would be a waste of power on the gamecube.  The PSP really just has the same thing I can get on my home console (except lumines) so I really don't have any interest in it at this time.  Perhaps the situation is different for you and you would prefer an experience like your home consoles but merely in a portable way.  Different strokes.

Edit:  I also want to add that I'm glad they're trying out something new with Metroid and making it more FPS and less adventure based on the DS since it's something of an experimental system.

[darknight06]

"There is a reason for the touchscreen. Consoles so far never had absolute controls and games based on them would always suffer for it (RTS, FPS, puzzle)."

No kidding, and for this reason alone I haven't seriously played a console FPS since I learned the art of mouse-keyboard with Quake 2 on PC.  Right now, the only true console alternatives to that is either trackball or the touchscreen, one of which I don't recall being in existence right now.  Oh, and does anybody remember Diablo on the PS1?  LOL.  

"Metroid Prime Hunters seems to fit this bill perfect because it plays like a full game with a story and a sense of progression, but this is only one game, and it isn't even out yet. To me, minigames do not make a good console for long."

Not to try to make excuses for anyone, but full games take time to make, especially 3D ones which everyone seems to be clamoring for on their handheld these days, and it doesn't help that the DS was rushed to market either with most developers getting their devkits just before launch.  That's why you see all these "minigames" out right now.  However, with all the game announcements as of late, that won't be an issue for too much longer.  Oh, and a new SSX is coming to the DS.


 

[NWR_Lindy]

Bunch of random thoughts.

- I bought Zelda: Minish Cap over the weekend.  What a great game, and I love playing it on the DS.  To whoever said the DS screen rules for GBA games, you're absolutely right.

- I played Meteos last week and it's cool, kinda weird to play with the stylus though.  You have to drag blocks up and down vertically, which I'll admit could not be done easily with a D-Pad/Analog stick.  I can't wait to spend more time with it.  At least it's an example of a game that couldn't be done on any other console, which is a good thing.

- When we're talking about people playing games on handhelds, does the N-Gage even count?  

- Some of you may slag the PSP because "its games are no different from what's on a console", but last time I checked, that's the point.  The fact that I can play a high-quality 3-D version of Tony Hawk without being tethered to the PS2 in my living room is what makes the PSP cool.  I was also a big fan of the LCD screen for PSOne, so I think that planted the seed (I thought that playing Final Fantasy Origins on a great-looking screen not much bigger than a GBA was one of the coolest things ever).

- After playing Minish Cap, I can't wait to see a Zelda game on the DS.  I really don't want it to be 3-D though...that would kinda disappoint me.  The N64-quality 3-D on the DS isn't one of it's strongest points, in my opinion.  It makes it look underpowered, like it's trying to do what the PSP does but can't.  Still, I can't lie, if a DS Zelda along the lines of Ocarina of Time was released I wouldn't be complaining (well, I would, but not about that).

- Nintendo really needs to release a killer online-capable RTS game that uses the touch-screen to its fullest extent.  Hopefully Advance Wars DS is that game.  Starcraft would be awesome too.

silks

[MrMojoRising]

Advanced wars is turn based, not Real Time.

[KDR_11k]

Yes, unfortunately.

[Miyamoto Osaki]

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- Nintendo really needs to release a killer online-capable RTS game that uses the touch-screen to its fullest extent. Hopefully Advance Wars DS is that game. Starcraft would be awesome too.

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Advanced wars is turn based, not Real Time.

yes, advance wars is tun based but with starcraft, its real time, so i agree to both.

Ill like to see Oot, MM and maybe WW on the DS. I think the touch screen is better than the analog stick
A- no more blisters
B- you have more control wth the touch screen.

and I hope the games that come out for the DS are 'RPG' (long live Role Playing Games)

[ThePerm]

I am wondering what is brewing for ds..its been way too quiet and i jsut assume nintendo is waiting till e3(like they always do...which just is a bad practice).Anyways, I was always told that DS graphic capabilities was somewhere between n64 and dreamcast. So i can imagine the best looking DS games would look like better looking conkers bad fur day. Where are thsoe games damnit?

[ruby_onix]

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- When we're talking about people playing games on handhelds, does the N-Gage even count?

It depends on the situation. If someone can work it into a conversation as a valid point, then... it's a valid point. Unfortunately, odds are good that almost nobody will understand that point.

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- Some of you may slag the PSP because "its games are no different from what's on a console", but last time I checked, that's the point.

Yeah, it's the PSP's biggest strength, and the PSP's biggest weakness.

One thing that really bugs me about the PSP though is that it isn't a PS2. You have to buy your games twice. That's not cool, IMO. They should've made the PSP play actual PS2 games.

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- After playing Minish Cap, I can't wait to see a Zelda game on the DS. I really don't want it to be 3-D though...that would kinda disappoint me. The N64-quality 3-D on the DS isn't one of it's strongest points, in my opinion. It makes it look underpowered, like it's trying to do what the PSP does but can't. Still, I can't lie, if a DS Zelda along the lines of Ocarina of Time was released I wouldn't be complaining (well, I would, but not about that).

Last I heard, the rumors were saying that Nintendo had two Zelda games in the works for the DS. One being an all-new 2D Four Swords-style game, showing off the kind of new styles of gameplay that Nintendo was hoping to stir with the DS, and the other being an all-new 3D Zelda game, made with a port of the Zelda 64 game engine, sort of like Majora's Mask.

[Deguello]

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At least it's an example of a game that couldn't be done on any other console, which is a good thing.

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Some of you may slag the PSP because "its games are no different from what's on a console", but last time I checked, that's the point.

Kinda contradictory here.  It seems like the DS has to feature games that can not exist on any other platform, whereas the PSP can get away with having similar games to consoles because "That's the point." Your example of Tony Hawk is not a very good one either.  Tony Hawk Underground 2 Remix isn't just a game that is "no different from what's on a console."  It is exactly the SAME as what is on a console, except, y'know it has got "Remix" in the title.  And trust me when I say most people would just get the better looking, better-controlling Ps2/Xbox/GCN version, espeically if they are gonna be priced exactly the same as the PSP version.  And having similar games to a console also won't make a handheld appealing.  What really set the Gameboy on fire was Pokemon, and the very idea of Pokemon (that being a uber-customizable battling RPG, plus a heavy emphasis on trading) was not possible on any console at that time.  The same could not be said for Wario Land and the like, but at least they were only $30 compared to consoles wanting $50.  

The PSP's name is sorta misleading, isn't it Ruby?  I mean with the DS, the GameBoy, and the GameCube, which each name you get a sense that each is different.  With the Playstation Portable, the logical assumption for those not in the know would be that it is a Portable Playstation, and would then conclude that it can play Playstation games.

[IceCold]

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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
[QOne thing that really bugs me about the PSP though is that it isn't a PS2. You have to buy your games twice. That's not cool, IMO. They should've made the PSP play actual PS2 games

Handheld would be too big, would be a lot less profitable (no software sales), blah blah blah  

[xproductionz]

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Originally posted by: IceCold

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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
[QOne thing that really bugs me about the PSP though is that it isn't a PS2. You have to buy your games twice. That's not cool, IMO. They should've made the PSP play actual PS2 games

Handheld would be too big, would be a lot less profitable (no software sales), blah blah blah

i have always pondered this and i think this was a smart move on nintendo.. well you know how they say when you play chess is to think ahead your moves.. well nintendo seems to think that.. or so i think anyways.. and it already has begun.. look at the DS... its basically something to tide you over till the NEW GB comes out.. but wait.. they already thought of that by developing the GC... how you say.. well take this into consideration... the next GB already has games out for it... its basically the GC games... the new GB will basically use the same operating system the GC uses.... developers already have devkits for it and the discs are already small enough for it.... so lets say the new GB xomes out.. you not only can take ur GC games with you but new games as well... and when you get home you dont need some kind of GB player to play fames on the big TV... just take the disc out of your GB and plug it into you GC..

now another twist to this is that if the revolution is backwards compatible and use the same discs then you have a triforce (triangle) of 3 key products on the market that can be taken advantage of...

1.the GC which can play the NEW GB games(if they use the same operating system)
2.the NEW GB  which can play GC games (and posibbly the Revolution games)
3.the Revolution that is backwards compatible with GC games and can play the NEW GB games

....just some food for thought.. just speaking my mind

[NWR_Lindy]

Just like the purpose of the DS is to give you an experience that's radically different from a console, the purpose of the PSP is to NOT give you an experience that's radically different from a console.  They're both doing what they're meant to do, and it's not like one approach is better than the other.

In terms of experience, the GBA SP isn't doing anthing different from what, say, the SNES was doing, and people love it.  Meanwhile, the PSP gives you the same type of "console in a handheld" experience that GBA SP does (only updated), and people hate on it for that reason.  That doesn't make sense to me.

BTW, if Nintendo creates a handheld GameCube I would crap my pants.

silks

[KnowsNothing]

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In terms of experience, the GBA SP isn't doing anthing different from what, say, the SNES was doing, and people love it. Meanwhile, the PSP gives you the same type of "console in a handheld" experience that GBA SP does (only updated), and people hate on it for that reason. That doesn't make sense to me.

There wasn't a better option until now.  Also, the GBA played games and styles of games that had come from the previous two generations.  It kept those games alive.  The PSP is playing what we're playing right now only alot worse.

[MrMojoRising]

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The PSP is playing what we're playing right now only alot worse.

Exactly why the PSP will be more attractive to me after the next gen systems have come out and it will be forced to either make something I won't play on my home console or a really watered down crappy version of it for the same price...even moreso than it does now.

[clevelandst124]

The ds is not something to tide you over.  It is a great system.  It has a few good games now, many killer apps coming, and is better than any handheld system nintendo has released to date.  And debately as good as the psp for less of a price.  

If a new gb comes out this year(doubtful),
1.  It'll probably be less than a ds.  Most reports I've seen state it will come out at $99.  This isn't going to be the all in one that people were hoping for to combat the psp.  
2.  There is a .000001% chance it will be backwards compatable with the gamecube.  Think about the psp battery woes.  A portable gamecube is over 50% more powerful than a psp.  Also think about button placement.  3 shoulder buttons and 2 analog nubs.  This thing would not be small.  

[Darkheart]

You say that it wont be able to do gamecube quality graphics?  Um.... it better and for one good reason. We have already achieved Nes, Snes, and now N64 graphics on a handheld, where else is there to go?  There is no reason to keep Snes graphics because what would be the point we have a GBA that does that already.  Same goes with taking the level to the N64, we have the DS Ninty is not stupid enough to compete with their own handheld at the same level.  A portable gamecube sounds nice though, you get all of your fav games you already own on the road, etc etc.  There is one problem with that though, you have little to no software sales.  With the PSP at least theres a new media format forcing people to buy games they might already own on its bigger brother system the PS2.  But, if there are only gamecube games out there, many of us wouldnt really go out and buy new gamecube games, at least I wouldnt I have plenty at home.  Portable Gamecube = Dream for Nintendo fanboys and fangirls.  But, honestly to me, I see this as a huge fault, its not the Nintendo way, and its cheating.  Then again, it might be the right thing at the same time.  With a portable gamecube, theres no deep competition between the DS and the New GB,  new games and innovation = DS and games already out and a huge library of great gamecube games = New GB.  Nintendo is eventually going to release the new GB and compete itself with the DS, I have no clue how the two will not clash. Well thats my 2 cents.



~DarkHeart~

[darknight06]

"1. It'll probably be less than a ds. Most reports I've seen state it will come out at $99. This isn't going to be the all in one that people were hoping for to combat the psp."

Think about it for a second, if the units $99 there's no way it's going to have GC or even DC level graphics.  Chances are if a new GBA is coming this year, that's all it will be is a new GBA. GBA with a backlight and maybe wireless.

[nickmitch]

A DS cart that plays the GBA game only it allows the game to use the DS's built in wireless.
I don't see a new Gameboy system until after the revolution is here. Unless the PSP. . .well. . .you know.