Author Topic: wtf is happening to the DS???? (Read 39319 times)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #50 on:** April 05, 2005, 07:51:19 AM »

Apparently DS. Y'know, with the PSP not having even sold out and the DS backing up with pre-orders several months after the launch.
Everyone saying DS will fail apparently forgot about that.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #51 on:** April 05, 2005, 07:52:05 AM »

24 titles with three or four worthwhile purchases, meanwhile they look at the DS and they see 15 titles, 12 of them are crap and 3 of them are just OK. You tell me which one they'll prefer.

Ratio of Crap to "worthwhile" on PSP --> 23:1 (because rehashes are NOT worthwhile to me, nor should they to anyone that already owns a PS2...Lumines ONLY)

Ratio of Crap to "worthwhile" on DS (as of end of March) --> 12: 3 (JUST ok? Sorry, but that's a matter of opinion...Yoshi Touch & Go is easily my favorite handheld game of all next-gen portables)

23:1 vs 12:3...You can do simple math, right?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #52 on:** April 05, 2005, 08:52:49 AM »

BILL: Several of the rehashs, specially the sports Rehashs will be worth it to buy and play on the go. So that kicks the number up for PSP. I hate sports games, but you know that is true.

As for DS. I would say there are 3 games you should own on the system, and 2-3 games that are just OK right now.

Those games you have to own are:
Super Mario 64 DS
Yoshi's Touch N Go (Brilliant Old School gaming. I love it.)
WarioWare (I am not a fan, but I understand the addictive nature of it.)

The other games depends on your taste of games, and what you want.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #53 on:** April 05, 2005, 09:16:09 AM »

I'm not paying 40-50 bucks for rehashes, whether they are sports or not...I play handheld games because they give me something different...And I know people that feel the same way, and they are faithful PS2 or XBox owners...

Ian Sane · « **Reply #54 on:** April 05, 2005, 09:39:11 AM »

"I'm not paying 40-50 bucks for rehashes"

Yet Super Mario 64 DS is the very definition of a rehash. One could argue Warioware Touched is as well or at least it's as much of a rehash as Wipeout Pure. Maybe those aren't part of your 3 but I doubt you can tell me another DS game that would fit the top three aside from those and Yoshi. So basically it's Yoshi vs Lumines.

It doesn't matter anyway because to prefer the DS you have to have really specific tastes. With the PSP there's more flexibility. 24 > 15. With more games to choose from there's more variety and more options. Statistically there's a better chance of finding something to like on the PSP. With the DS I have to like quirky gimmick games to recieve any enjoyment out of it. With the PSP I just have to like games period to find something decent.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #55 on:** April 05, 2005, 11:41:03 AM »

I paid 30 bucks for that "rehash"...Which it really isn't because it's minigames are the real meat of the game...

And no, no sane person can argue that Wario Ware Touched is a rehash...Implementation = COMPLETELY different...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #56 on:** April 05, 2005, 12:38:08 PM »

Maybe Sony released the rest of the games since then, but last I checked there were only about 15 games available for the PSP. The others are coming out over the next month or so, methinks.

Objectively, I think both lineups are about equal right now - given that Nintendo had 4 months, it should have a better selection. Subjectively, I think the DS kicks PSP's butt. I bought one last week and I can't put it down.

I also played a PSP for a couple of hours last weekend. I am very happy with my choice. Granted, I was playing Ape Escape which is probably not the PSP's greatest title, but I doubt even the PSP's best would impress me as much as the pure simplicity, originality and fun of the DS lineup.

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #57 on:** April 05, 2005, 12:53:14 PM »

WarioWare Touched is the same game with a different input method. It's like playing WarioWare with a mouse instead of a joystick. It's not different enough from what's been out there before to make me want to buy it.

When I think of the phrase "rehash" I think of words like "redundant" and "stale". WipeOut Pure is none of these, just like F-Zero GX wasn't either. I could accept somebody calling Tony Hawk a rehash, but if that's the PSP's definition of a rehash I'll take it. Tony Hawk games are typically excellent, and ideal for on-the-go gaming.

Yoshi's Touch & Go is a neat distraction, but I'm not paying $30 for it when games like WipeOut Pure and Lumines are available for only $5-10 more. Those two games alone will keep you occupied for a lot longer than YT&G ever will. You can't argue that for $40 ($35 at some places), you get a LOT of bang for your buck with PSP games. Meanwhile, DS games that are borderline GBA-quality are in the same price range. It doesn't make sense. When you put PSP sports games up against DS sports games, it gets even more ridiculous. Madden NFL DS is currently $40, and when it comes out for the PSP it'll likely be the same price. Nobody in their right mind would buy the DS version, given the choice.

silks

ruby_onix · « **Reply #58 on:** April 05, 2005, 02:19:29 PM »

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I expect good games, is that too much to ask?

This early into the system's life, I think you're expecting a miracle by saying you want more games.

Fine, I'll give you one. Play your GBA games on the DS.

Nimoy · « **Reply #59 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:20:32 PM »

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Originally posted by: Silks
WarioWare Touched is the same game with a different input method. It's like playing WarioWare with a mouse instead of a joystick. It's not different enough from what's been out there before to make me want to buy it.

I could accept somebody calling Tony Hawk a rehash, but if that's the PSP's definition of a rehash I'll take it. Tony Hawk games are typically excellent, and ideal for on-the-go gaming.

silks

Right, so the 12 millionth itteration of the Tony Hawk franchise is great for handheld gaming and is "different enough from what's been out there" to make it a worthy purchase, whereas Warioware still in its infancy as a franchise just doesn't offer enough that is new. Reading you loud and clear.

And here's my take - Tony Hawk games are generally dull and bore the life out of me and if, even if, I really liked the franchise, I certainly wouldn't buy it in its handheld form. As for the ideal type of handheld game, well I'd argue that both Yoshi Touch and Go and Warioware Touched are very close to perfect in this regard. Both are addictive, easy to pick up, offer a unique experience that isn't able to be duplicated on a console and both provide intuitive control through a very intuitive control input. Anyone can pick up either of the games in question and play them without learning the intricacies of a console controller and this lends the latest Yoshi (which I happen to think is the best game available for either next gen handheld atm) and Warioware games significant appeal.

On the issue of the dearth of DS games currently available, well have a look what's out in Japan and hold your breath, there are a heap of quality releases coming in the not so distant future, games like Meteos, Pac-Pix, Kirby, and Polarium, none of which would work on another gaming system. If your looking for games that closely resemble console titles the DS is obviously not where you want to be, surely this was obvious from the start, buy a PSP, play a PSP and stop the damn incessant whinging.

UncleBob · « **Reply #60 on:** April 05, 2005, 05:35:53 PM »

Don't tell me to wait for good DS games, damnit. I'm a gamer from birth and therefore I have absolutly no patience to wait. I want what I want and I want it now.

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #61 on:** April 06, 2005, 04:31:16 AM »

Call it whining if you will, but the DS' launch lineup was sub-par. That's a fact. The PSP launch lineup is much better. That's not my fault, that's Nintendo's fault.

A console-style Tony Hawk game is new for a handheld. Compare Tony Hawk PSP to the last Tony Hawk game on GBA and you'll see what I mean.

If I wanted to use my DS to play GBA games, I'd still have my GBA. Unfortunately, playing GBA games on my DS is my only choice right now.

silks

Nimoy · « **Reply #62 on:** April 06, 2005, 05:42:56 AM »

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Originally posted by: Silks

A console-style Tony Hawk game is new for a handheld. Compare Tony Hawk PSP to the last Tony Hawk game on GBA and you'll see what I mean.

Any modern console style game is really, this is the very reason some people find the DS a more attractive proposition. I've played some of the better PSP titles such as Wipeout Pure and Ridge Racer and found myself wanting to play the games on a larger screen. DS and GBA games I believe work better as portable experiences, both offer an experience not realised with console gaming - two dimensional and touch input gaming and believe it or not there are those of us who prefer what the DS and GBA bring to the table.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #63 on:** April 06, 2005, 11:51:45 AM »

You could arguedthe opposite...since console-style Tony Hawk games are new for a handheld, people might be more interested in them! However, for me, Wario Ware and Yoshi Touch N Go are both more interesting and they fit handheld gaming like a glove. I've been playing straight through the bus ride to work without even noticing how much time has gone by with these games. I can't stop!

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #64 on:** April 06, 2005, 02:46:59 PM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I've been playing straight through the bus ride to work without even noticing how much time has gone by with these games. I can't stop!

Funny, I could say the same thing about WipeOut Pure and Lumines. We're both right in our own ways. I don't think I would be so grumpy about the DS right now if it would have launched with something I liked. I'll be a lot happier once Meteos releases in June. Until then, PSP is my savior.

silks

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #65 on:** April 07, 2005, 01:49:01 AM »

Am I the only one who appreciates GBA games on my DS just because the screens are so much better? It sounds shallow and stupid, but games like the Minish Cap look so much better on my DS, I get annoyed playing on my SP. Obviously a better screen for GBA games isn't enough for a $150 purchase, but that along with Band Bros. makes me a happy DS owner.

Mario · « **Reply #66 on:** April 07, 2005, 02:29:50 AM »

I would actually pay money for a portable that was EXACTLY like the GBA SP, except had a DS quality screen.

Playing GBA games on original GBA is just.. terrible, you can't even see the screen unless you're sitting right under the sun, the GBA SP is better, but the colours appear washed out on the lit screen, the DS screen is perfect, but it's too big and uncomfortable to play. All I want to do is enjoy my GBA games fully, damn it Nintendo! Ah well, maybe the next Gameboy

Oh, also, the combination of Super Mario 64 DS, Wario Ware Touched and Metroid Hunters First Hunt made the Nintendo DS launch awesome for me. It's not a fact that it was sub-par.

UncleBob · « **Reply #67 on:** April 07, 2005, 05:28:40 AM »

Wario Ware Touched! was hardly a launch title (Here in the states, at least)... Buying my DS in November and waiting four months for the next *good* game purchase? Wow... that sounds a lot like the GCN right now...

vudu · « **Reply #68 on:** April 07, 2005, 09:13:30 AM »

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Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber
Am I the only one who appreciates GBA games on my DS just because the screens are so much better?

The only GBA game I've tried on the DS was Astro Boy and I didn't like it one bit. The extra buttons just confused me. Maybe I'm just not that swift.

I like the larger buttons on the GBA-SP which is why I use it for playing GBA games. However, I can see how the DS might be very nice for games such as Fire Emblem and FFTA, which don't require rapid button pushing.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #69 on:** April 07, 2005, 12:04:01 PM »

I play all of my GBA games on my DS now. Mario mentioned the DS's clunky design- I like that better. Sure, at first it felt strange, but now I'm a little too cramped when I use my SP..

The only issue I have is with the position of the buttons (I think Y should have been used as the B button in GBA games....), but all it takes is some practice. Some games I still can't get used to- Metroid Fusion, for example -but almost every other game I'm fine with. I began playing Minish Cap on my DS and now it seems weird on my SP

couchmonkey · « **Reply #70 on:** April 07, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »

I actually prefer the GBA because I mostly play while waiting for the bus -- I really don't like how I can't see the DS screens outdoors. But I'm sure the games look better indoors. I just haven't bothered to compare.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #71 on:** April 07, 2005, 02:30:35 PM »

Couldn't you just turn off the DS backlight while you're outside? Or is that just as bad?

Arbok · « **Reply #72 on:** April 07, 2005, 02:45:44 PM »

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Originally posted by: Silks
A console-style Tony Hawk game is new for a handheld. Compare Tony Hawk PSP to the last Tony Hawk game on GBA and you'll see what I mean.

http://mobile.sunrise.ch/eshop/ngage_skater_l.jpg

Speaks for itself.

The system might have been crap, but a Tony Hawk game closer to its console counterparts is nothing new on handhelds.

thepoga · « **Reply #73 on:** April 07, 2005, 04:49:35 PM »

that game is a really dumbed down version of the first Tony Hawk game. It's come a long way since then. And TH for the PSP is practically the same (or better) than the ones on consoles.

altf4 · « **Reply #74 on:** April 11, 2005, 05:42:48 PM »

To each his own man, Maybe some people prefer gaming systems that can be broken by pusing the edge of a quarter on the shell.

Also, PSP is brand spanking new, so basically what mario said.

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