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Offline SgtShiversBen

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RE:Iwata: Revolution Backwards Compatable and Wi-fi out of Box
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2005, 12:53:46 PM »
Why can't Nintendo just use the same plug for both controllers?  Wouldn't that be kinda feasible?  Maybe, I don't know.  But that's what I assumed.  They'd still get the REVOLUTIONARY controllers for the new console, and keep the GameCube controllers too.  But with this being backwards compatible (hopefully with all the features able to be used) that I can trade in my GameCube and 10 games and get the Revo.  But, probably won't work that way, even though I do have 10 games I want to get rid of.
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2005, 03:42:46 PM »
Well, there is no currently stated reason why they couldn't.  However, I would say that it depends on how much data Nintendo would need to have the new controllers send to the console and vice-versa.  If it's as low as GameCube, then they could probably stick with the current controller ports.  However, there is information out there that suggests that the Revolution controllers might need much higher throughput than that.

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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2005, 04:13:11 PM »
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so...
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2005, 05:31:28 PM »
How is Nintendo going to use WiFi for home console purposes?  The backwards compatabiltiy is nice, but for me its more of a conveniance than anything.  THe less consoles I have to have hooked up the better.  I think its safe to assume that Revolution is not going to be some crazy contraption.
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2005, 06:14:11 PM »
You sly boots, Rick... dropping hints when everybody's drooling over Zelda.
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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2005, 07:38:56 PM »
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How is Nintendo going to use WiFi for home console purposes?



All you have to do is plug your ethernet cord into a wireless router. It costs about the same price as a network adapter for any of the current systems. Really simple. You have to set it up with your PC and such, but that's not hard.

The biggest advantage is that you don't have to run a wire from your Rev to your modem/pc. Very useful.

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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2005, 07:46:09 PM »
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!! The Revolution will be Backward compatiable!!!  Nintendo just saved me (and theirselves) from buying the Xbox 2. The speculation was killing me because there was no way i was going to stick with Nintendo if i couldnt play my $1000+ worth of GC games on the REV. I have been loyal and never bought any system other than Nintendo but i would have got an Xbox2 if Nintendo F'ed up the REV. And a REV without BW compatibility would have been F'ed up!  
Sorry had to vent. Im very happy with Nintendo. All i need now is an anouncement of Metroid Prime 3: Revolution.  

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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2005, 07:52:52 PM »
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever...What does backwards compatibility have ANYTHING to do with buying or not buying a different system...The logic behind that is the work of some really hard liquor me thinks...
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2005, 07:55:31 PM »
OH yea, The Rev better have RPG's on it. NOt this card or real time RPG crap that permiates the GC. Something akin to the Wizardry series or Dragon Quest/Warrior or maybe some real Final Fantasy not that garbage Crystal Cronicals.  

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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2005, 07:58:03 PM »
Tales of Symphonia and Paper Mario 2 are better than every other RPG out this gen...
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2005, 08:09:25 PM »
I'm assuming Hollyway and ds will use the same hub..thus saving you money on your vast multiplayer network
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2005, 08:25:44 PM »
Somebody gonna get hurt real badly.

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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2005, 12:31:53 AM »
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Well, there is no currently stated reason why they couldn't [use the same GC ports on the revo]. However, I would say that it depends on how much data Nintendo would need to have the new controllers send to the console and vice-versa. If it's as low as GameCube, then they could probably stick with the current controller ports. However, there is information out there that suggests that the Revolution controllers might need much higher throughput than that.


It wouldn't be hard at all to make a high speed port that can accept the GC's low speed controller data, USB 1.1 is crazy-slow but the faster USB 2 uses all the same port and all the same cables. You can even plug a HighSpeed device into an old USB 1.1 port, windows will yell at you if you do, but it still works.

It would be just the same as plugging a Gameboy game into a GBA, Nintendo will probably stick a chunk of plastic somewhere so you can't plug a Revo Controller/Glove/Gyrosensor/Brainscanner into the GC.
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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2005, 03:11:41 AM »
The point is that you CAN still play your GC games exactly as you do now- with the same controls-
no need to learn new button functions.  AND, the rev IS revolutionary IN the way it is played.  It isn't about adding a new
button- like every new controller seemed to do after the first NES.  Think about it like this- designers design games for
systems knowing the controller- A controller is a HUGE part of a new system.  If Nint made a new system that employed a
controller DESIGNED to play old games, then the system would already be outdate before the release.

NIN offers the best of all worlds here!  BW compat, you can use the same old crusty controller to play your games EXACTLY
as you always have, (NOTHING NEW TO BUY, or LEARN) AND you get a new revolutionary controller!  WINwinWIN!

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RE: Iwata: Revolution Backwards Compatable and Wi-fi out of Box
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2005, 03:41:18 AM »
Paladin: Sorry, but Planescape: Torment is the best computer RPG ever and that is a FACT just as Grim Fandango being the best adventure game is a fact.

Nosferat: Oh the irony of mentioning Wizardry and Final Fantasy in one sentence...

Slingshot: NIN is Nine Inch Nails.

You know, plugging a GC controler into the Rev to play GC games might have more reasons than the Rev controller not being able or ideal for playing GC games. There is a reason people demand to see foreign movies and series in their original language with subtitles if needed even though dubbing seems to be easier for them to understand.

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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2005, 03:46:56 AM »
"Paladin: Sorry, but Planescape: Torment is the best computer RPG ever and that is a FACT just as Grim Fandango being the best adventure game is a fact."

Well, yeah. I wasn't including PC in the equation.

I played Torment for a while and lost the disc.
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2005, 05:34:22 AM »
I think the only reason Nintendo decided to state that the REV will be backwards compatible, was to ease skepticism about the REV. Many people are worried, or even afraid that the REV will not be able to play conventional games. They wanted to end all that, but at the sametime not reveal anything vital (any specifics about the controller). I think they came across the right solution.

It's funny how you guys are still skeptical even after that statement was made. So many rumors and ideas must still be lodged into your head to even think that the REV won't play GC games right out the box. Just look at this statement as "The REV can play conventional games" as well as being backwards compatible. Great news all around. The only question un-answered is can you use GC controllers for GC games like the PSone can on the PS2? That is a moot point, nothing insightful will be revealed regardless of the answer (though it would be nice to use the Wave-Bird). Plus, I'm sure everyone will have 4 controllers by the time SSB comes out; so using your GC controllers for GC multiplayer games will come down to preference only.

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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2005, 06:43:18 AM »
It is a "moot" point, not a "mute" point.  To be moot is to be irrelevant.  To be mute is to be unable to speak.  I can't beleive how many people still make that error.  

OK, back on topic.  I personally think that Nintendo is going to protect their revenue stream for accessories by NOT allowing GameCube peripherals to be used.  I'd certainly like for them to prove me wrong, however.
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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2005, 06:45:29 AM »
Wouldn't it expand their accessory sales to have people use two seperate controllers?

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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2005, 07:24:54 AM »
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Wouldn't it expand their accessory sales to have people use two seperate controllers?


Well depends, if the same group of people that bought the gamecube bought the revolution and only them then the accessory sales would be less as no one would buy extra revolution controllers.

On the other hand I see it this way if Revolution can use the gamecube controller, it allows Nintendo to really change their controller design because they already have the gamecube controller for your standard platformers, rpgs...etc.

Either way I dont care, Revolution could be Virtual Boy Mach 2 and I'd probably still buy it and Im sure most of the people on this forum would to.
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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2005, 09:11:45 AM »
To Bill
You ask whats the logic behind whether not a system is backward compatible in buying a next gen. Well i will tell you why at least for my case anyway.

What happens when i fell like playing my GC games when the REV comes out and it cant play GC games?? Think about it. I would have to do the same thing that i do when i want to play my NES and SNES games. That is getting the respective systems out of storage, out the box, disconnecting my GC and then connecting my NES or SNES back up then play the games i wanna play.

Now that may not seem like too much of a pain in the butt, but when you got a fully integrated system, with the GC connected to the rest of the HOme entertainment/surround sound system, it amounts to a hassle. Especially considering the amount of equipment i have to move to get to the wires in the back of my reciever and TV to hook the stuff up.
OR i could connect both systems up, but really come on, Nintendo already has a bad image amoungst the non Nintendo gamers, so how would it look when i have both systems hooked up when Xbox2 and PS2/3 owners only need to install one to play all their games. They will have a field day with that one.

Plus who in the world wants to have multiple systems cluttering their Enterainment systems? Its unsightly and takes too much space. I for one wont have systems laying around all over the floor because they dont fit in my entertainment stand. Also there would be more wires to hook up, which makes for more of a cluster f%*& when added to the wires of the Cable box, DVD, TV, GC and stereo stereo system.  
I dont even think i have enough auxillary hook ups to even hook both up "IF" i wanted to. That means i would have to connect both into the same Aux line which will deterioate the signals, which i will not allow.

So Bill tell me why i should i have to do or deal with all of the above when:
1. Nintendo can easily make the REV backward compatible(they have geniuses and a GC emulator is easy to add)
2. Nintendo makes their handhelds backwards compatible(EVEN THE DS with gameboy games!!) so tell me the logic of not making their "revolutionary" new system not backward compatible. On a side note i think Nintendo should make the Rev compatible with Gameboy and DS games too. It will make the REV more marketable, which neither the new PS or the Xbox would be able to compete with in this particular respect. The game library will be astronomical.
3. Nintendos competitors have this feature. Now im loyal but if Nintendo didnt add this feature i would have bought and Xbox out of spite. If Nintendo didnt consider their "loyal" consumers in this respect i would feel that they are inconsiderate. I will be playing Resident Evil's, Metroid Prime's and Zelda's for years to come along with my other 25 GC games. And if i have to go thru the situations discribed above im going to have a sour taste in my mouth and as a result im going to have to go with the XBox just to spite Nintendo, and i dont think i wll ever look back to NIntendo. But thank god it did nt have to come to that. Ill be able to have my REV and play the both REV and GC games. The beauty of that, and i wont have to ever get the gamecube out of storage or waste time hooking it up, cause all i have to do is put my Resident Evil 4 into my Rev and play.....

Enough said. There is the logic in my eyes Bill.  

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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2005, 09:29:32 AM »
Nintendo's competitors have this feature? That's news to me...
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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2005, 10:40:07 AM »
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On the other hand I see it this way if Revolution can use the gamecube controller, it allows Nintendo to really change their controller design because they already have the gamecube controller for your standard platformers, rpgs...etc.


See this is what I mean, I'd rather have nintendo feel free to innovate with their new control scheme.

This way the REV controller wouldn't have to worry about being able to do what the GC controller does and nintendo can really innovate.

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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2005, 01:54:19 PM »
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What I find discouraging is the whole "interactive entertainment" thing. And the whole "online" thing. Dammit. I don't want any of that crap... I just want good games!



So, great games will still be available on the system.  How does it prevent that from happening?  Unless I missed the press release where Nintendo stated " The Revolution will have horrible games that will be online only and play movies at the same time"


I think it's great news...hopefullly they'll get those Dev Kits out soon...
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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2005, 02:52:58 PM »
My two cents:

Announcing backwards compatibility with Gamecube is the singe BEST thing they could do with the Revolution. The PS2 didn't only sell so well because it was out sooner. People (especially the casual gamer) are much more likely to pick up a system if it can do the work of two systems. That's another reason that all the Gameboys, as well as the DS sell so well.

People hearing this, who don't own a Gamecube, will say to themselves, "Well, now I can get two systems for the price of one." and go out and buy it. Kudos to Nintendo for such a strategic marketing maneuver.
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