Topic: Metroid Pinball: exactly what needs to be fixed about Nintendo

[nemo_83]

http://ds.ign.com/articles/586/586860p1.html

Rather than release a real Metroid game on the DS, Nintendo is milking the franchise with a death match game and now a pinball game.  How about a whole Metroid game Nintendo?  How about a whole Mario game while you're at it?  Imagine if Nintendo focused again on releasing key expansive adventures rather than dicing up their licenses and dishing them out to every third party and/or making a different game for every facet of the original concept.

[Bill Aurion]

Oh what?  A Metroid adventure game?  Guess Metroid Prime: Hunters doesn't count because of impressions based on a tiny DEMO...Hilarity...  

[nemo_83]

i like the way the game controls and looks, but it is not going to be a full Metroid game with puzzels, platforming, charge shots, bosses, and a story.  the game is more to push multiplayer gaming on the system and deliver a game soon that does use the stylus well as well as the wireless multiplayer aspect.

[Bill Aurion]

but it is not going to be a full Metroid game with puzzels, platforming, charge shots, bosses, and a story

And you know this how?  By basing it off the demo...Big no-no...

[Mario]

Are you f*cking serious? Metroid Pinball DS sounds like it could kick ass, and I don't want some stupid whiny fanboy telling me otherwise.

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How about a whole Metroid game Nintendo?

HOW ABOUT THEY JUST RELEASED ONE, METROID PRIME 2: ECHOES?

How about Nintendo stop releasing games altogether?

[Infernal Monkey]

"Please stop making amusing spin-off games, Nintendo. I don't like having fun, I just like to complain"

[Savior]

Ill gladly give up that  amusing spin-off game if it meant getting Prime Hunters sooner

[Hostile Creation]

And the sooner you have Hunters the more you can complain about its shortcomings.  I think most Nintendo fans are masochists or something.

[Bill Aurion]

Who said NST is making the pinball game?

[PaLaDiN]

"I think most Nintendo fans are masochists or something."

That hurt... say it again.

Seriously, what's the point of this thread?

[Caillan]

The Hunters demo is obviously a very early version of the game, especially when you consider how far away from release the actual game is. It was designed to show wireless multiplayer, and it does that well. I've heard the original Metroid Prime's demo was disappointing and linear as well. Does anyone have any information about the developer?

Metroid Pinball annoys me because there are already plenty of Nintendo pinball games, and Metroid was Nintendo's last big 'pure' franchise.

[Hostile Creation]

I like my cocaine pure not my video games k thnx

[KnowsNothing]

1) There's a thread with all our bitching in Talkback, we don't need more here.  Let's see if we can turn this into our "official" metroid pinball thread.

2) At first I didn't like the idea of Metroid Pinball, but now I'm looking forward to it just as much, if not more, than Hunters.

3) Yes, Metroid Hunters: First Hunt was mainly to show off graphics and multiplayer.  They've already accomplished that.  If that's all they want they could add a few more maps and weapons and release it next month.

4)  To sum it all up: Nemo, be quiet.

[nemo_83]

what kind of gamer would rather have several minigames milked from a respectable franchise than have a new original game that is a complete adventure, a complete experience.  

the perception given at this point by both Nintendo and the media is that Hunters will be more like Unreal Championship than Metroid Prime.  thus the game is not a Metroid game but rather a facet of a Metroid game.

i didn't attack Nintendo's ability, i'm attacking their integrity as artists.  Nintendo seems to want to drive their games further impersonal and more like porn than novels.

[Stimutacs Addict]

 "the game is more to push multiplayer gaming on the system and deliver a game soon that does use the stylus well as well as the wireless multiplayer aspect. "

.. . and provide the framework for how FPS's should be handled on the ds. .. (actually i might take that back; I dont want a radar on my second screen

[Hostile Creation]

"what kind of gamer would rather have several minigames milked from a respectable franchise than have a new original game that is a complete adventure, a complete experience."

Apparently quite a few.  But we're getting plenty of both, so I don't see the need for all the whining (Metroid Prime 2 came out a few months ago, let's wait a while for the next big Metroid).

"Nintendo seems to want to drive their games further impersonal and more like porn than novels."

And this doesn't even make an ounce of goddamn sense.  Be not stupid from now on, please.

[Mario]

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what kind of gamer would rather have several minigames milked from a respectable franchise than have a new original game that is a complete adventure, a complete experience.

A gamer who actually PLAYS games perhaps, rather than whining about games he hasn't played on message boards?

[GoldenPhoenix]

Nintendo is a big company with various departments, the resources they use on a Metroid Pinball game or any other spin off is not necessarily going to impact work they are doing on a platformer or adventure. Nintendo has always multitasked with different departments and companies handling various game developments, so if anything Metroid Pinball will add to their lineup of games in development rather than detract elsewhere.

[PaLaDiN]

"And this doesn't even make an ounce of goddamn sense."

What's not to get? Which do you enjoy more, porn or novels?

[Gamefreak]

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Originally posted by: Savior
Ill gladly give up that  amusing spin-off game if it meant getting Prime Hunters sooner

Well I highly doubt the same team is developing Hunters and Pinball so they do not affect each others development cycle.

[thepoga]

"3) Yes, Metroid Hunters: First Hunt was mainly to show off graphics and multiplayer. They've already accomplished that. If that's all they want they could add a few more maps and weapons and release it next month."

With the controls that Hunters has, its probably going to be more action oriented. It control's like any other fps, and the focus on exploration is probably going to be down a lot more. That's not saying it's bad but its a fact. I hope a lot other fps make it onto the DS, because I think it's one of the major advantages it has over the PSP.

It's just kind of wierd with a Metroid Pinball game because they've always been the more serious type of game, and pinball games are more... not... serious... errr yeah. Mario pinball wasn't that great a game and the other sequals to a lot of N64 games of Nintendo made weren't followed up that well(Mario Golf: TT was basically the same game with better graphics, and 1080 had the same problem). I want to see more than one AAA game come out for the DS this year. All there is is WarioWare Touched, which I hear Twisted is a little better, Metroid, and Castlevania DS, but that's coming out until the very last day of the year, if its not moved back. I hope Nintendo proves me wrong.

I think that what Nemo is trying to say is this: Nintendo is using the names of their franchises to sell more games than quality (that doesn't mean they don't have quality). Look at all of the recent Mario appearances in different games. DDR, NBA Street (great game btw), etc. Also, instead of doing a spin-off, why not create a new franchise? Take a risk. The Metroid name isn't big enough to get a whole lot of attention. Pikmin was a new franchise early on in the GC's release. Why not do the same with the DS?

The thing that irks me alot is Mario pinball. It was pretty dissapointing, but had so much potential. Hopefully, this game will have the same quality as Pokemon Pinball, which was a good game in it's own right.

"Nintendo has always multitasked with different departments and companies handling various game developments, so if anything Metroid Pinball will add to their lineup of games in development rather than detract elsewhere.'
Companies like Namco made one of my favorite games of all time half super awesome, and half okay at best. There wasn't a whole lot of polish on a game that took such a long time to make.
 

[GoldenPhoenix]

Well so far I see about 4 or 5 potential triple A titles coming out. There is Yoshi's Touch and Go, Castlevania DS, WarioWare Touched (even though it is said to be inferior to WWT for GBA is still a solid title), Metroid Hunters, Animal Crossing, along with Bomberman and Sonic being possible sleeper hits. I'm sure there are some that I've missed, along with some that haven't been officially announced. So for me at least things are looking bright, along with the possibility of a brand spanking new Mario platformer this year! Things are slow at the moment, but if you recall so was N64, and in the end it had some of the best games ever created once it was put to rest. I think it is that the industry (even Nintendo to an extent) want to see how well NDS does before putting their hearts in it, and well from the looks of the sales things do look bright, so the games should be coming in soon.

[nemo_83]

as much as I love the way Hunters controls I can't ignore the present absence of a game behind it.  i thought my analogy between porn and novels was clear.  porn has no story and is all about action.  the novel is a piece of literature with a beginning, middle, and end.  a novel presents a conflict, character development, and resolution.  a porn is for the purpose of nothing more than getting yours.  you may watch a porn over an over, but a novel may change the way you look at life.  i've always appreciated Nintendo's sense of arcade fun, and find myself on a fence.  i find games like Fzero or SSB more fun to play than games like Mario Sunshine, but I can't look over Fzero's lack of anything other than raw gameplay.  

too many of their games are impersonal and are just games to sate the appetites of their fans who clamor for more games between their epic adventures.  i prefer adventures over sports.

[Hostile Creation]

I understood the porn/novel analogy, I just thought it was complete BS.  Comparing Nintendo to porn is ridiculous.  It would be more accurate (and less blatantly insulting) to compare it to, say, a collection of short stories or a comic book if you really wanted to make that point.

[vudu]

How about a pornographic novel?  Where does that fit in?

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Well so far I see about 4 or 5 potential triple A titles coming out. There is Yoshi's Touch and Go, Castlevania DS, WarioWare Touched (even though it is said to be inferior to WWT for GBA is still a solid title), Metroid Hunters, Animal Crossing, along with Bomberman and Sonic being possible sleeper hits. I'm sure there are some that I've missed

You forgot Kirby's Magic Paintbrush, Mario Kart DS, Wars DS (if it comes out this year) and Meteos.  And maybe Polarium and Lost In Blue, depending on how they turn out.  And FFIII, but that's a port, so I don't know if you can count it.

EDIT:  I completely forgot about Another.  How silly of me.