Author Topic: New Controller for PS3? (Read 14677 times)

BlackNMild2k1 · « **on:** February 15, 2005, 12:47:08 PM »

according to www.whitefusion.com they have "upgraded" the standard controller and want to make it a new standard.

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We do havee working prototypes for current generation consoles that as Sony has told us, provide an unfair competitive advantage over standard controllers.

They refer to this new "upgrade" as Reflex control

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What is REFLEX Control?
White Fusion is driven to produce solutions
that will benefit both gamers and developers.
That is what REFLEX Control is all about.
No other company has ever done what
White Fusion is about to do.

REFLEX Control is completely unique, but it has a broad impact. It is not another specialized control device intended for a few games. It is an upgrade... an upgrade to the standard control for console games.

Its specualted to be a trackball, but I was curious as to what all of you think this new 'innovation in control' really is

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2005, 12:55:28 PM »

Blinking lights.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2005, 01:07:16 PM »

Blue LED instead of the red LED on the analog LED.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2005, 01:14:10 PM »

Wait. I thought it was Nintendo that was going to introduce an innovative new standard way to control games.

Well this can mean either one of two things:

1. Sony has stolen Nintendo's idea or
2. Sony and Nintendo have different ideas and we're going to get a controller design battle next gen.

I think 2 is more likely though it doesn't sit well for Nintendo's future. It doesn't matter who has the better idea. Sony is the market leader. Their controller will be accepted as the standard unless their design is completely unusable. Nintendo's idea HAS to be really good now.

Though in the end MS might be the odd man out. We may see a significantly different controller design for each console and if Sony and Nintendo both have designs that can do whatever the Xbox Next controller can do plus more then MS is going to miss out on some major exclusives. Though EA will probably just dumb down all of their games to work on the most limited controller and work from there.

However it remains to be seen if there will be a unique PS3 controller. Is White Fusion working on the PS3 controller or are they just some third party trying to introduce a new standard? If they don't have the support of a console leader any new "standard" just won't happen.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2005, 01:46:49 PM »

well since Sony has seen I am assuming that they are trying to sell this to Sony for current/next-gen.
but any way here is a filing @ the US Patent & Trademark office

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US Patent and Trademark Office wrote:

Publication # 20040259638
Handheld controller with mouse-type control

Filed: June 18, 2003
Pubished: December 23, 2004

Inventors:

Kramer, Dan H.; (Oakhurst, CA);
Buskirk, Peter Michael Von; (Northville, MI);
Blankenbaker, Phillip James; (Saline, MI)

Abstract:

A handheld controller for interacting with video game software and for use with video game or computer systems comprising a plurality of standard control elements, which produce data of a static nature, further comprising analog joysticks, a directional pad, pressure sensitive buttons, and digital control buttons, having an ergonomic arrangement to be actuated by the fingers and thumbs of the user and integrated into a housing having an ergonomic form designed to held by the hand or hands of the user and further integrating a "mouse-type" control element, which produces data of a dynamic nature.

enormous link

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2005, 04:13:14 PM »

Before I read the prior post: They stole Nintendo's ideas again.
After reading the prior post: Don't break the tables

I'm not too good with words or stuff, but saying it produces data of a "dynamic" ature (as opposed to static) makes me think of a trackball or a gyroscope (that and the fact they call it 'reflex', which points towards the "hay you know when you're playing a racing game and you jerk your hands to the left and right when making turn" thing). And grips. Yeah, I don't know what's happening, but with the history of Sony taking Nintendo's ideas I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Alot of things Sony takes credit for helped create the huge gap between them now, so I would expect for them to try once more. It worked last time. On the other hand, if Nintendo does go with gyroscopes, it's not going to be it's only unique feature. So people would be all "the ps3 controller has reflex blah blah" and we could be all "Rev's does too plus it has CANDY"

all hail knowsnothing, queen of jumping to conclusions and not reading articles

Gamefreak · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2005, 07:33:05 PM »

It's going to be...

analog R and L buttons! Oh and rubber grips on the handles.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2005, 06:20:18 AM »

That patent abstract sounds like a mouse with all the buttons of a console controller added. The video looks almost like mouse control but a bit stiffer (the aim moves in straight lines).

couchmonkey · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2005, 08:35:39 AM »

That site is full of so much hype it makes my head hurt! Still, it sounds like it might actually be a neat idea.

And if the copyrights on the site are true (2003), then it could be that Nintendo is stealing White Fusion's ideas!

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:05:37 PM »

what if they both had the same idea @ the same time...........??
and neither of them knew it...................

Uglydot · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:54:34 AM »

The damn thing isn't out yet, fanboys, no blaming anyone for stealing it. I repeat, you have not actually seen it.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2005, 06:28:27 AM »

Ha ha ha, I'm not blaming anyone for stealing it, I just think that as Nintendo fans we put too much emphasis on ideas others stole from Nintendo. Anyway, I'm intrigued! I look forward to hearing more about this.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2005, 08:52:27 AM »

Uglydot: I'm sure you were refering to me =p For the record, I'm not blaming anyone for anything. We don't even know what Nintendo is doing! I was simply saying that it's possible. It's also possible that Nintendo is going to power the Rev by way of pigs. HMMMMMMMM

nemo_83 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2005, 11:32:48 AM »

Sony knows Nintendo is most likely going to use Gyration, and they both know MS probably won't offer anything new. I hope Gyration works better than White Fusion. Sony might still be doing a single unified controller leaving an opening for Nintendo to create two one handed controllers with gyros inside. Maybe Sony is just combining a PS2 controller with a mouse or maybe they are making a dual flight stick setup. They are dropping all kinds of hints, both at what Nintendo might be doing, and what White Fusion is doing with their wording in those windows. Words like steering, driving, experimental military hardware, no hype, no gimmicks, no wearable components? They say things like evolution and upgrade rather than revolution. The drawing of the x with the circle in the middle makes me think of a track ball. check out this quote from the site,
"Dan Kramer
Director of Technical Development
Dan has provided a variety of services in development engineering to the electronics industry for over 30 years. A large portion of that has been spent with video and computer games. Dan has worked for a number of accessory manufacturers over the past 5 years including: Nuby, Savia, and Nyko (a top-rated manufacturer) in a diverse array of development support duties. However, his experience in product development began 20 years earlier when he worked for Atari, Inc. During his time at Atari, Dan worked to develop and promote the first track-ball controller for a console."

This was a good find.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:14:57 PM »

I hope that whatever Sony, Nintendo, and MS are doing doesn't sacrifice current controller standards... If they want to add junk that's cool, just don't ruin what works.
And please, all the consoles add two simple USB ports and built standard support for mice and keyboards... It's really not asking much, and we can play FPS's properly.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:23:41 PM »

I thought the whole purpose of these new controllers was to make games that use a mouse work as good on a console as they do on a PC. Which is funny since MS relies so heavily on shooters and other PC ports yet MS doesn't have any hype surrounding its new controller.

Artimus · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2005, 12:27:57 PM »

I prefer console FPS...

Gamefreak · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2005, 04:00:15 PM »

Well why even bother with a new controller? They are find the way they are for most console games, just put in standard freaking support for mice and keybards... Heck just mice! I can use the dpad or analog stick to move, but I need mouselook.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2005, 04:03:23 PM »

Yes, dang those newfangled analog sticks, dpads are just fine.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2005, 05:28:33 PM »

Monkey Ball will thank you in DEATHS, HAW HAW HAW HAW.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:44:58 AM »

Kururin plays a LOT better with analog control...

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:08:46 AM »

http://www.whitefusion.com/ has updated thier site and it has new pics of the controller that tehy were designing.

It looks like a PS2 controller, but instead of a second analog stick on the right it has a big red trackball.

But you also gotta wonder how the lawsuit with Immersion is gonna affect this controller, if at all.

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This first generation REFLEX Control™ enabled controller is intended for release in Fall of 2005.

will this be PS3 compatable? I assume they are working with Sony since their design is just a slight variation off the look of Sony's controller.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:38:43 AM »

Wow, um...That's looks really uncomfortable... <_<

Ian Sane · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2005, 11:06:19 AM »

"That's looks really uncomfortable"

So it's perfect for Sony. *swish*

Artimus · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2005, 11:46:37 AM »

I wonder if the new PS3 controller wasn't a consequense of this lawsuit. They knew how it was going to go so they probably planned ahead before time.

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