Topic: Is Nintendo killing thirdparty support itself?

[Rob91883]

   
"Fine second world wide. But to American third parties it is in last place."




   Most game developers just don’t give the gamecube a chance be it from any region of the world.  I don't think it's just the western developers ignoring the game cube, it's just the "little" support they get is largely from Japanese game developers.  .    

[CHEN]

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Originally posted by: Rob91883
Most game developers just don’t give the gamecube a chance be it from any region of the world.  I don't think it's just the western developers ignoring the game cube, it's just the "little" support they get is largely from Japanese game developers.  .

Which is a-okay by me.

[BlkPaladin]

Personally I don't give a flying fickle finger of fate about most western developers. When I went looking for a game to get me by until Pikmin 2 is released I went over the Xbox since I have less then 10 games for it and I'm just turn off by the sure number of sports titles and cookie cutter FPS's based off of WWII or otherwise (This is not only about Xbox the PS2 and PC share the same amount of blame.) and those are my two least favorite genre.

Oh in the end since I didn't want to cough up the money for a new game I ended up playing Pikmin agian. And as for the list up above there is only one game I really don't already own or have immediate plans on buying.

[KDR_11k]

BlkPaladin: Hey, that's the exact reason I got my Cube in first place!

[Mumei]

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Originally posted by: Deguello
"No one will pay EXTRA to support a console that's in LAST PLACE and that traditionally has the lowest selling third party games. "

Second Place, please.  Video Games do not only exist in North America.

According to most recent sales figures released by Microsoft and Nintendo, the consoles are at 15.5 and 15.25 million respectively.  Gamecube is extremely close to the X-Box, and it is possible that the lead has switched, but as of the most recent information they are in 3rd place worldwide.

[Chongman]

You sure? This is worldwide?

Wow, microsoft has sold quite a few xboxes in the US then...just goes to show we like corporate whores.

Somehow I dont think that's worldwide...but thats probably just my insecurity talking and you're probably right.

[Zach]

but in terms of profitability, GC is 2nd, because the xbox throwing Microsofts's money down the drain.

Of course the 3rd party developers do not look at how profitable the system is for Nintendo, they see how many systems have been sold.  After all the more systems there are out, the more games the developer can sell.  Also the 3rd party developer looks at how well other 3rd party games sell on a system, and how the company (nintendo) treates 3rd Parties.

In other words, in terms of 3rd parties games, nintendo is screwed. For this generation anyway.

Doesnt matter to me, 3rd parties are not why I bought my GC in the first place.  I bought it for nintendo's great 1st party games.

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: Zach
Doesnt matter to me, 3rd parties are not why I bought my GC in the first place.  I bought it for nintendo's great 1st party games.

Which is EXACTLY why Nintendo is screwed in terms of third-party support.

[Mario]

"It simply doesn't matter" - Iwata

[Flames_of_chaos]

Nintendo is just mostly screwed on Western 3rd party support.

[Zach]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k

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Originally posted by: Zach
Doesnt matter to me, 3rd parties are not why I bought my GC in the first place.  I bought it for nintendo's great 1st party games.

Which is EXACTLY why Nintendo is screwed in terms of third-party support.

Let me rephrase that. I bought my cube for the great first party games such as Zelda and Mario.  But I also buy 3rd party games if they look good. (Super Monkey ball was one of the first games I got)  In that respect it would be a shame to lose the third parties, But I would still buy a revelution without them.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Well top notch 3rd party games are made by major 3rd party companies and Nintendo doesnt really have a problem with any major 3rd parties except for Konami(Gamecube wise).

[Polemistis]

OK, I quickly read most posts, so I don't think anyone said this, sorry if someone did : \
Could Ninty possibly be dropping 3rd party developers due to the Revolution being so different then Zenon/X-Box2 and PS3 that a 3rd party developer can't release it's game across all 3 platforms?

[joeamis]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Wario Ware GC
Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
Pokemon Colosseum
Bomberman Jetters
Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
Tales of Symphonia

FFCC: only good for multiplayer (and gba requirements)
WWGC: single player ver nothing to write home about, and just about all the games already appeared in the gba ver.
MGSTS: new graphics, new moves, new cutscenes, etc... not worth 40 bucks
PC: no thanks, I was done with Pokemon after I beat Pokemon Blue, nothing very new now.
BJ: eh okay I might be interested, if there weren't so many better games to play.
LoZ4S: single player ver not so great, and I don't like playing Zelda more than once every year.
ToS: okay now you're talking =)

the future looks much better though

[BlkPaladin]

Nintendo knows how important that 3rd party software is to the average consumer so they wouldn't intentionally drop support or make a console almost imposible to program for so much so that they would have problems making games for it so they had to drop third parties so they wouldn't complain. Most companies would just let them complain, and not leave a bad taste in their mouths because they don't think companies can make it multiplatform.

[Gamebasher]

Zach, I agree with you on the third party support thing. Nintendo could have done far better, if they had understood why the problem persists. I also always buy the Nintendo consoles, for the first-party titles alone. The problem, though, is that when you finish playing those first-party titles, you look to the second and third-party titles to get new games to play...and there aren´t enough of them around to keep you happy.

Maybe Nintendo´s recent expansion of their studioes will mean that we will get more first-party titles, so that we can sustain ourselves on those adding perhaps just a few other titles alltogether.

In any event, the way I see it Nintendo Revolution will be to videogame control, what the Nintendo 64 was to gaming perspective, and if they have enough compelling first- and second party titles on sale at launch they may become the winning player in the next generation, rendering the third party problem near obsolete. Making people so enchanted by the sheer magic of the new system, that they´ll be content with what they got to play on it (better be a lot, Nintendo!!!).

So, either those third parties just jump on the band wagon and join the revolution, or they join the train from yesterday on the other two platforms and see where that will take them. My bet is on the revolution! So it´s up to people to decide, Nintendo is Nintendo and wont change very much. Otherwise they´re nolonger Nintendo!!  

[MaleficentOgre]

Truth be told if the Revolution is as unique as Nintendo says its going to be they might as well start digging their own grave.  Sure I'll buy it firsy, but only If I have enough money to spend on microsoft's new console if the Big N's fails (I hate sony).  If the Revolution is too diferent from the other two consoles then no one is going to want to develop for it.  Porting games to the gamecube is hard enough as it is.  The only thing that nintendo has going for it in the next console war is the fact that their console will be more powerful than Microsofts seeing as how once microsoft finalize's their hardware nintendo will have IBM bump theirs up a bit just to do so.  Sure EA, Capcom, Sega, and Namco will have Nintendo's back, but there are a lot of new third parties cropping up, and a lot of them are pushing out badass games that nintendo won't get, or get crappy ports of (thank you ubisoft.)  No nintendo going online is not the answer.  They don't have the money for that, and its time for people to realize, the only way the cube is going online is if every cube owner shovels out their yearly paycheck, or their parents for most owners, so nintendo can have the back up funds that sony and microsoft have.  The truth is Nintendo would love to go online, its just no financially posible, at least without having people pay seventy bucks a month.  Third parties don't go to nintendo because the other companies throw money at them.  True nintendo is hands down the best developer and publisher of video games ever, but that won't sustain a console, and yes that is the biggest reason third parties don't develop on cube.  Ask anyone that plays games on a regular basis and they'll tell you straight up that given the choice they'd take a great nintendo game over a great any other game simply because no one can outdo nintendo's quality of excelence.  Why compete, you'll sell more when your competition is blinx, than when its mario.  And that is why gamecube has so few third party games.

[KDR_11k]

Forget porting games as the reason, the buyer himself doesn't want anything new! If the Revolution is so different noone will buy it because they don't understand it!

[Ian Sane]

"If the Revolution is so different noone will buy it because they don't understand it!"

Agreed.  I wouldn't buy it if it was too different.  With videogames new ideas have to complement existing ones.  If an idea is so unique that it's something completely different it will bomb.  The current three consoles for the most part, some controller issues aside, could play at least 95% of all the console games ever made.  Aside from oddball stuff like DDR or light gun games with the out of the box controllers for the three big systems everything from Pong to Pikmin 2 could be played on them.

If you introduce something weird then that can't play any games before it, it will bomb.  People like the traditional game designs that go back to Pong.  That's why the Virtual Boy failed.  Sure it caused headaches and whatnot but the real problem was that games people loved in the past couldn't be played on the VB and VB games couldn't be played on traditional TV consoles.  So Nintendo can't release some weird motion sensor only system and expect it to succeed because you can't play the old Zelda or Mario games on it.  The only games that would work for it are games designed specifically for it.

The DS does innovation right because you can play traditional games on it AND you can play unfamiliar touchscreen or dual screen games as well.  Nintendo has to do the same thing with the Revolution.

[Gamebasher]

Agreed.

So now we will wait and see if Nintendo will make it backwards compatible. Otherwise, I´m afraid, we will be looking at a new Dreamcast syndrome, that´s going to be a lot like the China Syndrome in the movie of the same name (READ: Third party exodus!)...

Hope and pray to The Videogame God (He´s my Dad!) that Nintendo won´t screw up that bad!!

Damn them if they do, because then it´s only SONY and Microsoft who are left, and that isn´t how it should be. Ninty´s the best at games. Period.

But, will they (Nintendo) ever learn from the third party issue, or will they remain stuck in the past? Only time will tell.  

[BlkPaladin]

You guys make it sound like they are going to put some strange technology that no one has ever seen before, that may enslave the human race if used improperly.

The DS isn't that different then the GBA SP. And they said look to the DS to see a glimpse in the future for the Revolution. Lets see: carts, cheak; Backwards compatible, check; Nintendo Philosopy, check; plays games and not anything you put in it, check; in addition to the new interface the standard one, check.

My bet the revolution will be and interest shape that you put next to a TV to hook up and plays games with a control that tries something new in addition to already stanard fair. As for the backwards compatiblity its seems almost certin judging from the Gameboy series (Heck the DS is backwards compatible and its not even suppose to be in that line of consoles.), it will be there.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

What is the "Nintendo Difference?"

You think about the potential GameCube library, look at the ACTUAL GameCube library, and think to yourself,

WTF???  Why doesn't.........!!?  (fill in your own blanks)

[Chongman]

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[Infernal Monkey]

The Nintendo Revolution will be a spinna. It won't stop. Also, Nintendo killed Acclaim. Ssh, secret. Don't tell Midway, they're next. Reggie's takin' them done one by one.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Reggie kick asses.

Consume publishers.