Author Topic: HELP! (Read 11222 times)

Mashiro · « **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2007, 05:46:37 PM »

Lol! Wow that was quite possibly the best promo for a computer ever.

I, for one, was glad they showed the making of the song as it sent chills down my spine. Pure gold =D

decoyman · « **Reply #26 on:** September 29, 2007, 07:21:20 PM »

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Originally posted by: vudu
What about me? I'm the only one who's been of any help at all!
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Originally posted by: decoymanedit: this post should have been read with a British accent.
You really should put that little disclaimer at the beginning of the post rather than at the end.

Oops, fixed.

Actually, you weren't helping the Mac vs. PC (can someone change the name now, anyways?) thread. You were helping its old identity (the DVORAK identity), but it's clear that you did nothing to help what it was destined to become. That's why I left you out.

ONLY THE UNWORTHY FAIL TO SEE HOW THE "OFF-TOPIC" HAS BECOME THE "ON-TOPIC"! BEGONE, HEATHENS!

P.S. – Macs still rule

/mirth!

that Baby guy · « **Reply #27 on:** September 29, 2007, 07:36:29 PM »

i did something.

Svevan · « **Reply #28 on:** September 29, 2007, 08:22:14 PM »

P.S. It's much harder to install new languages on a PC than it is on a Mac, Dvorak included. Plus, the Mac conveniently allows me to decide whether I want to use Dvorak in all of my programs or in some of them. The PC decides this for me, and it makes the wrong choice.

This of course does not answer the great Mac v. PC debate - most people who DO debate seem to know more than me about hard drives, RAM, security, Gigamajiggers, and other things. I find the OS to be elegant and efficient, I can leave my Mac on for weeks at a time, and I have never had it crash (had it for over a year). This is much more than I can say for Windows, which I have been using in all its iterations since 1998.

But! But! Here's the problem. If one of the platforms indeed DOES have a superiority over the other, the person who uses the inferior platform will be forced to deny that there is a problem, creating a fanboy flamewar that has no purpose other than to justify the thousand dollar purchase. It's like we can't see the trees for the forest (if you'll let me say that): we're so concerned with who "wins" that we can't understand that Macs and PCs have many many many differences, and each has strengths and weaknesses.

I find that most flamewars seem to be justifications for isolationism rather than qualitative and quantitative comparisons of fact and opinion (see: Halo thread, the Sony fanboys of yore, etc.). I own a Mac. I switched because it had things I needed. I think PCs are worse, but I have to admit that there are things I can't do with my Mac - I wish PC users would admit the inverse as well, but we've grown as a society to believe that blue screens and daily reboots are just a part of computing. Oh well.

Crimm · « **Reply #29 on:** September 29, 2007, 08:47:34 PM »

Well your first mistake was using a Mac.

vudu · « **Reply #30 on:** September 30, 2007, 04:06:24 AM »

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Originally posted by: Svevan
I can leave my Mac on for weeks at a time, and I have never had it crash (had it for over a year).

You really should turn off your computer at night and when you're not around during the day. You're wasting electricity.

Mashiro · « **Reply #31 on:** September 30, 2007, 05:15:34 AM »

Actually leaving your computer on (or in sleep mode) is more efficient as it requires more electricity to start the computer up from being off. It also allows your HDD to last longer as continually turning the computer off and on over time can cause damage to it.

The more you know.

vudu · « **Reply #32 on:** September 30, 2007, 05:44:59 AM »

I suggest you read up on your PC a bit more. That was true many years ago. It no longer is.

Mashiro · « **Reply #33 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:09:37 AM »

Oh well then I like wasting electricity. My mac deserves every ounce of it.

Macs 4 Life.

Edit: I still say the cooling down and warming up cycles to a HDD can cause damage to it over time as opposed to leaving it on/putting it into a sleeping state, haven't heard differently nor have I found evidence to say otherwise.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #34 on:** September 30, 2007, 12:42:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: Svevan
P.S. It's much harder to install new languages on a PC than it is on a Mac, Dvorak included. Plus, the Mac conveniently allows me to decide whether I want to use Dvorak in all of my programs or in some of them. The PC decides this for me, and it makes the wrong choice.

Sorry Evan, but you completely phail

Right now, on this XP PC, I have installed the following languages:
- Spain Spanish
- Uruguayan Spanish (because the 2 have different special symbols and are distributed differently)
- English
- Japanese
And setting them was easy as hell, as is changing between them (and setting the default one)

the only big advantages of a Mac over a PC are that it has no viruses, and that it's idiot-proof...

Mashiro · « **Reply #35 on:** September 30, 2007, 02:29:48 PM »

The only advantage PC's have over Macs are games . . . and intel macs can run windows so for those with intel machines it's a non-factor.

Macs are indeed virus free and "idiot" proof, but more important, it just works. The OS gets the hell our of your way when you are doing what you need to do, where as windows feels like it gets in the way more times than not. OS X and it's yearly updates or so keeps the system fresh and continues to advance the (superior) platform as opposed to Windows which takes upwards of 6 years to release a supped up version of XP with nice effects.

While it may come down to preferences I don't understand why people would take windows over OS X, or even some linux machines for that matter. The only thing windows has is more games.

bustin98 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 30, 2007, 03:47:58 PM »

You know, Mythbusters tackled the myth of turning on a light burns more electricity in the initial startup than if you would have left it on for five minutes. The only savings found was if you were to turn it off for less than a second. Granted, computers are more sophisticated, but still, use some common sense.

As for the stress created turning a system on and off every day varies greatly by manufacturer and model and a host of other considerations. The biggest spike is seen on the motherboard as harddrives and memory and other components recieve power through it. I've seen more CPUs damaged through actual power spikes through the lines during use rather than a boot. I've also seen more corrupted harddrive data through 'sleep mode' than any other activity. Granted, that was a few years ago, but I still would find it difficult to recommend it as an alternative to turning the system off.

Either way, the question becomes mute once a HDD is damaged. Just make sure you have some sort of data backup on a regular basis. Some day, everything with moving parts will fail. Everything that depends on magnetism as a storage medium will lose its ability to hold a charge.

Ceric · « **Reply #37 on:** September 30, 2007, 04:02:04 PM »

Whats so hard about Right click the program bar goto tool bars bring up the language bar goto settings and add dvorak? Then you can set a key to switch between... I tried to learn dvorak more than once I'm just a forgetful typist.

Crimm · « **Reply #38 on:** September 30, 2007, 05:41:01 PM »

XP "just works" too. I've never had it crash.
Also, Macs have no viruses because no one bothers to write them. Too few victims. Nobody in the security field disputes that it can be done.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #39 on:** September 30, 2007, 05:58:39 PM »

Actually electronic components like circuit boards are similar to cars; most of the wear and tear comes from starting them up.

Mashiro · « **Reply #40 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:02:06 PM »

There's more to just working than just crashing my friend.

Also, Macs being virus free because (evidently) no one wants to bother with it is pure bull sh*t. Mac OS X has a larger user base than OS 9 and below and there are instances of viruses occurring on those Mac OS versions. So shenanigans on that.

Stogi · « **Reply #41 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:17:06 PM »

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
LITTLE MAC VS P(INK) C(ONDOMS)

WHO WILL WIN

LACK OF QUESTION MARK

BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS

AMIGA

"ONLY AMIIIIIGAAAAA"

Worst. Song. Ever.

Someone should put something in that bitch's mouth, my zipper's stuck.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #42 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:14:37 AM »

For a moment I was thinking that Dvorak analyst dude was hacking random macs.

Mashiro: There are viruses for MacOS x, there's just no epidemics because those require a large base of possible hosts.

wandering · « **Reply #43 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:45:25 AM »

"There are viruses for MacOS x"

Really?? Name one.

Mashiro · « **Reply #44 on:** October 02, 2007, 06:21:35 AM »

There has never been a documented case of a virus being "contracted", so to speak, onto an OS X machine in the open environment.

The closest thing to a virus was some malicious proof of concept code that could only be executed on a local machine deliberately by turning off specific safety features.

So to date, Mac OS X is virus free.

Edit: Furthermore, there are around 22 million people running various versions of OS X, and apple has said it themselves, it's their most successful OS to date in terms of user base. So, the whole "lack of users, lack of viruses" is a false proof and really has no foundation of being the reason why OS X is virus free. Again, see previous versions of Mac OS's (OS 7 for example) and you will find there were viruses written for pre-OS X based Macs.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #45 on:** October 02, 2007, 06:55:40 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
There has never been a documented case of a virus being "contracted", so to speak, onto an OS X machine in the open environment.

The closest thing to a virus was some malicious proof of concept code that could only be executed on a local machine deliberately by turning off specific safety features.

So to date, Mac OS X is virus free.

Edit: Furthermore, there are around 22 million people running various versions of OS X, and apple has said it themselves, it's their most successful OS to date in terms of user base. So, the whole "lack of users, lack of viruses" is a false proof and really has no foundation of being the reason why OS X is virus free. Again, see previous versions of Mac OS's (OS 7 for example) and you will find there were viruses written for pre-OS X based Macs.

And how many Windows users are there?

Mashiro · « **Reply #46 on:** October 02, 2007, 07:02:47 AM »

A lot, but the biggest windows (or anti-mac) claim to the OS's virus free environment is its lack of users.

Where, again, I point to previous versions of Mac OS's in the pre-OS X days which had LESS of a user base (and were, you guessed it, out with windows, while windows still ruled the world, still with an insane amount of users). So why were there viruses on those Mac OS's while OS X remains virus free?

Again, the fact of the matter is that point of "lack of users = lack of viruses" is false.

Edit: Windows could be relatively or completely virus free as well if maybe Microsoft weren't cowards and actually did what they originally intended to do with Vista, which was similar to what Apple did with OS X, where it completely rebuilt the OS from the ground up. Instead they took 6 years to go the easy route and gives users a subbed up XP. ::Shrugs:: Yeah it would have been more people being involved in the conversion process but it would have payed off in the end, in my eyes at least.

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 02, 2007, 07:15:13 AM »

Did anyone else see this thread and think of John C. Dvorack?

P.S. I like Macs.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #48 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:55:53 PM »

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Did anyone else see this thread and think of John C. Dvorack?

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
For a moment I was thinking that Dvorak analyst dude was hacking random macs.

As for the OSX virus question, yes there are technically no viruses for OSX but there are other kinds of malware like worms, trojans and rootkits which in common language are included in the "virus" term.

Svevan · « **Reply #49 on:** October 02, 2007, 11:09:26 PM »

Protip: did you know dvorak is pronounced dvawr-zhahk? The man who invented the Dvorak typing set was related to the famous composer of the same last name. dvawr-zhahk. Gotta love Europe: there's no J in there, which is why we're pronouncing one.

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