« on: January 19, 2017, 06:38:00 PM »
I don't think I can justify Super Bomberman R for more than $30.
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Once again, your looking at this from the tech standpoint of someone who's actually educated in what this hardware can do and cost which the average consumer isn't going to look up. It wasn't the fact the motion controls where new that sold it, it was the fact Wii Sports was a great game to show it off. If the technology was selling because it's new then Playstation VR should be lighting up the charts right now, but it's not because there's no killer app for it.Once again, no, I'm not. I'm referring to perceived value, and people don't need to know or research something to consider it expensive. This isn't even limited to technology. Someone can see a $20 sandwich on a menu and determine the cost too high without know what's in it, how its prepared, or ever asking why.
Seriously, that's my whole point. If Nintendo can get the right software that convinces people they need a second full set of Joycons, I don't see the price being as big a deal. Which is what people thought the full $60 for the Wiimote + Nunchuck back in the day was too much until Wii Sports proved them wrong.Viewing the right and left Joy-Cons separately, "the right software" was Wii Sports if Wii Sports wasn't already a thing. HD Rumble is a support feature with no gameplay potential so we're left with the IR Camera. Maybe Nintendo comes up with something groundbreaking. I wouldn't bet on it though. As previously stated, I certainly don't think it's 1-2 Switch.
But once again the thing is the general public doesn't know how much this tech cost for Nintendo to product. To them the only comparison is a Wiimote plus Nunchuck was $60, while another Joycon is $80. The average consumer isn't looking up to see how much Nintendo is overpricing the thing, it's just a $20 different to them.People don't need to know how much tech costs to consider it overpriced. It just particularly sucks for the people who do know. That said, in response to "some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure," I think their criticisms on the price of the Switch console and peripherals are fair.
People complained about the Wii's price when it was first announced as well. It was just a modified Gamecube and IGN famously posted an article months earlier saying the hardware Nintendo was making the Wii with was so cheap that they could launch the system for $100. So when low and behold, they announced the Wii was going to be $250, there was quite a few people saying the Wii was going to be DOA because it's price was way too high. I still remember, some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure said the same thing about the Wii since the Gamecube was considered a failure back then as well.People complained about Wii's price without knowing Wii Sports would be a cultural phenomenon, and understandably so since that's quite difficult to predict. People rushing E3 isn't necessarily indicative of how the general public will react. Does anyone expect 1-2 Switch to carry the same weight as Wii Sports? I don't, but maybe I'm wrong. To me, 1-2 Switch doesn't look like something I've never seen before. And not only is 1-2 Switch not-Wii Sports, it isn't even included with the console.
Same thing with the nickle and dime complains about the Wiimote, especially when it was revealed the Wiimote and Nunchuck were both sold separately. The same suspects were once again saying "No way are families going to spend that kind of money to buy more Wiimotes and Nunchucks".
Unless it has raisins in it, then there's some bad.That's raisinist.
Nintendo announced the product...give them time. Nintendo self corrected on the 3DS because they thought the perceived value was good.Give Nintendo time? No. Absolutely not. A company does not get to fail at launching its last handheld AND console at an acceptable market price and get another pass. That can get right the **** out of my face. You mention Nintendo self-correcting with 3DS. How about not fucking doing that in the first place let alone continually doing so afterwards? I am, of course, referring to Switch peripherals. I think $299.99 is okay though a pack-in game would have been better. $249.99 was the magic number in which fence sitters could probably convince themselves to make the jump. And $199.99 may have kept Switch sold out for the rest of the year.
The Switch Controllers are really cool and I like the fact that for simple games I can have 2 full Switch Controllers covert to either A) 2 Full Nunchuck/Wii remote controllers. 4 SNES controllers. or 1 Full Functioning Game Controller. The prices are slightly high, but Give them 4-6 months and it will change.
Also, give Nintendo time to here the complaints about the SNES/NES game available for a month only and then they might change their mind. UNLESS Nintendo decides to charge only $25 for the service.
I think Nintendo will adjust and correct ship quickly. The Dock will be repriced. The controllers probably not. But I think they need to sell them bundled together with the controller attachment...just a simple single purchase.
part of my reasoning for even early adopting would be to play w/ my daughter, which means I will need a 2nd set of joycons and a grip. But for $110.00 before tax, it's more than 1/3 the cost of the system to buy an complete additional controller. That's just OUTRAGEOUS and turns me away from not only early adopting, but adopting at all.Even Wii U sold well at launch. What I meant was there will be plenty of early adopters. After that, it could go either way. Once the early adopter wave passes, will everyone else accept those prices?
I'm not spending $410.00 + tax on this system to play multiplayer, only to realize that I haven't even picked out a game yet.
If I'm not sold at launch, then I'll just have to re-evaluate at Xmas time.
Does anyone know what is new about the rumble that Nintendo is calling it HD rumble?1. I've read haptic feedback, but I don't think it has been confirmed anywhere.
is it just because they have rumble in each palm?is there something new and unique about it? haptics inside?
and what about the batteries in the joycons and the pro controller?
anyone know anything about that?
I've heard 20+ hours on the joycons. Not sure on the pro con though.
Let's be brutally honest.Damn, I thought I was.
as for the bolded text... I'll just assume that wasn't a directed comment, but a general statement made in frustration of the obvious price gouging.Not directed at you anyway...
Controllers are looking to be very expensive. Like getting a second set on Joycons and the grip for it will cost you another $110!! Might as well be a Wii U Gamepad at that price and mostly for motion control nonsense that the world lost interest in five years ago.Seriously, people still believe this and bring it up regularly. Everything about that is ignorant. Nearly two generations removed from Wii, it's absurd that people have such an ax to grind against motion controls that they're still blaming motion controls for all manner of ills in the world.
so what exactly are the joycons?The right Joy-Con is basically a Wii Remote Plus with a lithium ion battery, NFC reader, and improved rumble and IR sensor. The left Joy-Con is the right Joy-Con without the IR sensor and NFC reader. Sold separately, Joy-Cons include the wrist strap slider that also feature larger SL and SR. Neither has a speaker so that's one thing not carried over from the Wii Remote.
anyone have the details of the tech in the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the dock?
I'm just looking for any justification of the mark up on the pricing. I have no idea of what we are getting included inside all the plastic.
At some point in this conversation we were informed that it was no good referencing Live and PSN as nobody in [Nintendo's] development teams used those systems (!) so could we provide more detailed explanations for them? My only thought after this call was that they were struggling - badly - with the networking side as it was far more complicated than they anticipated. They were trying to play catch-up with the rival systems, but without the years of experience to back it up.I'd imagine once Nintendo finally researched this and decided to expand its online features, it realized it couldn't realistically offer a robust online service without charging.
Oh, they're just ripping us off? I guess that's okay then.I'm not excusing Nintendo for price gouging. I don't like overpaying regardless of whether I'm aware of it. I'm merely pointing out that you're objectively wrong that motion controls are the reason why the controllers are so expensive. The only reason I bring this up is because you keep implying this is a Nintendo problem by continually bringing up motion controls when this issue is industry-wide. It's easier for hardware manufacturers to make money on peripherals since they're essential. Consumers can't play without an input device.
Nintendo showed up detecting ice cubes in the rumble and that's neat and all but you figure after last gen that they would realize that nifty tech is nifty but no one will pay for it.The ice cube segment isn't something I think Nintendo should have spent as much time on. However, rumble in Nintendo controllers has been mediocre for a few generations now. Nintendo introduced the Rumble Pak then never really advanced the technology so I'm glad it's doing something to improve that.
The selling point of the Switch is that it's a portable console. There that's it. Rehashed Wii concepts in the joy con are not the selling point so they should strip out unessential features to improve both the price and battery life. Those controllers should be cheaper and if that means stripping out features then they should do it. And if the tech is all affordable and they're just ripping us off then they should smarten up and cut that out as well.Personally, I don't want to use the Joycon controllers, but I'm willing to admit it's a good solution to one of the biggest problems of handheld gaming: multiplayer. The features aren't inherently expensive though. Nintendo like Sony and Microsoft would rather make say, $50 per controller than $30. They all betting on perceived value. For me, it's even worse. I know I'm overpaying, but I'm going to buy it anyway because third party controllers are generally terrible.