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General Chat / Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
« on: February 20, 2017, 07:05:32 PM »
During these uncertain times, it's reassuring that the Sacramento Kings are still a terrible organization run by people who have no idea what a basketball is.

Nintendo Console Discussion / Re: Indies for the Switch!
« on: February 20, 2017, 04:48:36 AM »
Lab Zero (creators of Skullgirls) are considering Indivisible (Metroidvania-style exploration with Valkyrie Profile combat). I really want this game on Switch.

Nintendo Console Discussion / Re: Nintendo Switch Memes
« on: February 16, 2017, 05:30:17 PM »
The best Nintendo Switch meme is absolutely Antisocial Karen. It would have been nice if she became the console's unofficial marketing mascot.

Nintendo Console Discussion / Re: Three... Weeks... 'til Switch day!!!
« on: February 10, 2017, 05:34:32 AM »
My Amazon pre-order is being delivered to work. I expect it before I leave at 4:00 PM. I may stop by Best Buy to try to get some peripherals, namely the Joy-Con Charging Grip.

The name of the boss is a mild spoiler in this case since it includes the name of an existing enemy which gives it some potential storyline context. Had it been "Wind Blight Demon" or something, I would have glossed over it as that has no real meaning to me.

I don't think it's that outlandish to request people use spoiler tags instead bolding a long-time villain's name. I appreciate you putting spoiler tags in the above post, and I deliberately didn't quote you to avoid them. Now that I know we're potentially treading into spoilery content, I'll probably bow out of this discussion for a while.

Really? That's the kind of spoiler you're worried about and want to avoid?
Ideally, I'd like to avoid all spoilers this close to the game being released. Spoilers spoil things by definition.

Thanks for putting the name of a dungeon boss in bold for those worried about spoilers.

I believe Kojima previously commented on how unique both the Wii Remote and Wii U Gamepad. I don't think he's bringing a game to Switch unless he collaborates with Sakurai or something.

Randomly Generated Funhouse / Re: Account Swap Partner Finder Thread
« on: February 02, 2017, 07:00:24 PM »
I don't understand what's happening, but I'm too lazy to root through the Funhouse to find out. I guess people's accounts got Switch or something.

TalkBack / Re: Switch To Receive Super Bowl Ad
« on: February 01, 2017, 08:48:50 PM »
I'm disappointed Antisocial Karen is no where to be found. She is Switch's unofficial mascot.

Does anyone know if there's been any confirmation one way or the other on how many individual Joy-cons can connect to a SINGLE Switch?
Nintendo's own website is suggesting eight.
Quote from: Nintendo
You can use up to eight controllers with one Nintendo Switch system, so everyone can play.
However, it's unclear if that can be only one kind of controller, a mix between Joy-Con and Pro Controller, or if they connect via different wireless standards.

General Chat / Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
« on: January 28, 2017, 07:35:44 PM »
I'm torn on GM Lebron. On one hand, the front office pulled out all the stops to put that roster together. Sure, the Cavaliers lost some members of last year's team, but it's still the best team in the East despite the losses. James is complaining about the lack of a playmaker. Motherfucker, you're the playmaker. On the other hand, the condition for returning to the Cavs was Dan Gilbert would spare no expense when it came to the roster. James is simply holding the owner and team management to that promise. That's something he should have taken to management first then complained to the media if nothing was done. Still, David Griffin just performed another miracle with that deal for Kyle Korver and gave up two players who weren't playing and a protected pick. Give the man a second. Trades aren't easy to put together, and the Cavs don't have a ton of flexibility unless it gives up a piece James probably doesn't want the team to part with. Additionally, James gave up some of his leverage by signing a three-year deal (third year player option) last summer instead of another one-and-one. At 32, he'll be on the decline of his career soon if he isn't there already. He won't be able to make these demands forever.

If I had my choice, I'd give MVP to The Process. The Sixers can make the playoffs this year if it keeps playing the way it has been recently which is nothing short of amazing, and it's doing so without Ben Simmons. All of that is a dream-scenario that I want to see happen if only because everyone not in Philadelphia **** all over Sam Hinke's process. This is still the team he put together. Not only do The Sixers have a nice young core, it has assets, both in draft picks and young players it can afford to give up (e.g. Noel, Okafor). In any case, it's an absolute travesty that Joel Embiid didn't make the all-star team. He's having a better year than Paul Millsap. Come on, voters...

Despite the hot start, The Lakers are once again dead-last in the West. The team can still sneak into the playoffs (then get roasted by The Warriors). I'm in a weird spot. I get excited when I watch The Lakers win yet I'm not upset when I watch the team lose. Losing is in the team's best interest. The Nets aren't catching any team. The Lakers could use another top three pick.

TalkBack / Re: I Am Setsuna Coming to Switch at Launch
« on: January 24, 2017, 12:59:23 PM »
Nerds... I was really hoping for a physical release. I'll pass for now. I don't want to commit to the download then Square Enix announces a physical release.

I don't think I can justify Super Bomberman R for more than $30.

I forgot about this Nintendo Direct.

I watched the Fire Emblem Warriors trailer. It's a musou game. Lucina isn't in the trailer or art. I'm less interested in this game. I'm sure she'll show up eventually.

The Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valencia logo is weird and confusing. It looks like Fire Emblem: Shadows of Valencia Echoes and uses three different fonts. Who designed that nightmare?

Once again, your looking at this from the tech standpoint of someone who's actually educated in what this hardware can do and cost which the average consumer isn't going to look up.  It wasn't the fact the motion controls where new that sold it, it was the fact Wii Sports was a great game to show it off.  If the technology was selling because it's new then Playstation VR should be lighting up the charts right now, but it's not because there's no killer app for it.
Once again, no, I'm not. I'm referring to perceived value, and people don't need to know or research something to consider it expensive. This isn't even limited to technology. Someone can see a $20 sandwich on a menu and determine the cost too high without know what's in it, how its prepared, or ever asking why.

And I didn't say the Wii Remote sold merely because it was new. You're misconstruing my points by completely taking them out of context. I previously said two things:

1. People bought Wii Remotes because it was new and no one had ever seen anything like Wii Sports before.
2. People didn't just pay $60 for a controller; they paid $60 for a controller that was different and new.

The Wii Remote was inherently tied to Wii Sports as neither would have been as successful without the other. The value proposal was consumers needed to buy additional Wii Remotes to get the most out of Wii Sports.
Seriously, that's my whole point.  If Nintendo can get the right software that convinces people they need a second full set of Joycons, I don't see the price being as big a deal.  Which is what people thought the full $60 for the Wiimote + Nunchuck back in the day was too much until Wii Sports proved them wrong.
Viewing the right and left Joy-Cons separately, "the right software" was Wii Sports if Wii Sports wasn't already a thing. HD Rumble is a support feature with no gameplay potential so we're left with the IR Camera. Maybe Nintendo comes up with something groundbreaking. I wouldn't bet on it though. As previously stated, I certainly don't think it's 1-2 Switch.

Obviously, I think complaints about the prices are fair even within the context you've presented. A Joy-Con set is still $109.98 if one wants to charge and play multiplayer at the same time which I'd imagine most do. The higher the price of something (be it a sandwich, a video game thing, house etc.), the harder it becomes to justify purchasing it. Maybe people pay it begrudgingly. That may be the cross Switch owners bear.

But once again the thing is the general public doesn't know how much this tech cost for Nintendo to product.  To them the only comparison is a Wiimote plus Nunchuck was $60, while another Joycon is $80.  The average consumer isn't looking up to see how much Nintendo is overpricing the thing, it's just a $20 different to them.
People don't need to know how much tech costs to consider it overpriced. It just particularly sucks for the people who do know. That said, in response to "some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure," I think their criticisms on the price of the Switch console and peripherals are fair.

Separately, you keep bringing up the Wii Remote and Nunchuk, but the comparison doesn't work. People didn't just pay $60 for a controller; they paid $60 for a controller that was different and new. Nintendo sold Wii on the back of motion controls. It can't do that in 2017. There's nothing about the Joy-Con that makes it as easy to justify as the Wii Remote in 2006. Also, you're weirdly cavalier about "just a $20 difference." I can't speak for anyone else, but $20 is a big enough difference for me in most circumstances. There are games I'd buy at $20 that I'd never consider buying at $40, let alone $60. An $80 controller is bananas, and it isn't even $80 with the hidden cost of the Joy-Con grip.

People complained about the Wii's price when it was first announced as well.  It was just a modified Gamecube and IGN famously posted an article months earlier saying the hardware Nintendo was making the Wii with was so cheap that they could launch the system for $100.  So when low and behold, they announced the Wii was going to be $250, there was quite a few people saying the Wii was going to be DOA because it's price was way too high.  I still remember, some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure said the same thing about the Wii since the Gamecube was considered a failure back then as well.

Same thing with the nickle and dime complains about the Wiimote, especially when it was revealed the Wiimote and Nunchuck were both sold separately.  The same suspects were once again saying "No way are families going to spend that kind of money to buy more Wiimotes and Nunchucks".
People complained about Wii's price without knowing Wii Sports would be a cultural phenomenon, and understandably so since that's quite difficult to predict. People rushing E3 isn't necessarily indicative of how the general public will react. Does anyone expect 1-2 Switch to carry the same weight as Wii Sports? I don't, but maybe I'm wrong. To me, 1-2 Switch doesn't look like something I've never seen before. And not only is 1-2 Switch not-Wii Sports, it isn't even included with the console.

While I think $299.99 is okay and I would personally pay it, I think the criticisms levied against it are fair. People bought Wii Remotes because it was new and no one had ever seen anything like Wii Sports before. The Joy-Con is a Wii Remote with some extras. That means, not only is the Joy-Con no where near as groundbreaking as the Wii Remote, it's largely based on decade old tech. I don't mean that to sound derogatory. It's really great that a single Joy-Con is almost a Super Nintendo controller. Nintendo still isn't reaching back to the Blue Ocean with it. They've seen it before. They want the next Wii Remote, not the Wii Remote again. That said, nickel and diming consumers with Wii Remotes and Nunchuks when no one had ever imagined it or knew how much that tech cost isn't the same thing as what Nintendo is doing with Switch accessories. We've seen it before and know how much most of that costs now, and it isn't $49.99 and $69.99. I don't think to comparison to Wii works here.

TalkBack / Re: The Nintendo Switch: A Mixed Bag
« on: January 16, 2017, 12:54:38 PM »
Unless it has raisins in it, then there's some bad.
That's raisinist.

Day one
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
3. Super Mario Odyssey
4. Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch

Eventually/On Sale
1. Splatoon 2
2. Xenoblade Chronicles 2
3. Fire Emblem Warriors

I think the dock stays the same and Nintendo releases a Switch Pro at some point. I'd give it two to three years.

Nintendo announced the product...give them time.  Nintendo self corrected on the 3DS because they thought the perceived value was good. 

The Switch Controllers are really cool and I like the fact that for simple games I can have 2 full Switch Controllers covert to either A) 2 Full Nunchuck/Wii remote controllers.  4 SNES controllers.  or 1 Full Functioning Game Controller.  The prices are slightly high, but Give them 4-6 months and it will change.

Also, give Nintendo time to here the complaints about the SNES/NES game available for a month only and then they might change their mind.  UNLESS Nintendo decides to charge only $25 for the service.

I think Nintendo will adjust and correct ship quickly.  The Dock will be repriced.  The controllers probably not.  But I think they need to sell them bundled together with the controller attachment...just a simple single purchase. 
Give Nintendo time? No. Absolutely not. A company does not get to fail at launching its last handheld AND console at an acceptable market price and get another pass. That can get right the **** out of my face. You mention Nintendo self-correcting with 3DS. How about not fucking doing that in the first place let alone continually doing so afterwards? I am, of course, referring to Switch peripherals. I think $299.99 is okay though a pack-in game would have been better. $249.99 was the magic number in which fence sitters could probably convince themselves to make the jump. And $199.99 may have kept Switch sold out for the rest of the year.

In any case, I don't know how Nintendo keeps getting this wrong. What makes this especially weird is that Nintendo offers industry-best value on downloadable content. As a software company that primarily makes its profits by publishing games, Nintendo is more than generous with offering content yet strangely stingy with the hardware to play it on.

I read about Touchsense earlier. It's cool and all. However, since Nintendo didn't even bother to mention it, there isn't much to talk about.

And unless HD rumble adds like $30 to $40, one can't even begin to make a case for the Joy-Con/Pro Controller price. The rest of the tech is old and cheap. Did Nintendo even include a magnetometer? I don't recall Nintendo mentioning it (though it appeared in Switch patents, I believe). If not, that's something included in the Wii U Gamepad that was taken out. Otherwise, as previously stated, one need only look to the dock to see the extent of Nintendo's price gouging. There's absolutely no reason to believe that's where Nintendo drew the line and all the other peripherals are fairly priced.

part of my reasoning for even early adopting would be to play w/ my daughter, which means I will need a 2nd set of joycons and a grip. But for $110.00 before tax, it's more than 1/3 the cost of the system to buy an complete additional controller. That's just OUTRAGEOUS and turns me away from not only early adopting, but adopting at all.
I'm not spending $410.00 + tax on this system to play multiplayer, only to realize that I haven't even picked out a game yet.
If I'm not sold at launch, then I'll just have to re-evaluate at Xmas time.
Even Wii U sold well at launch. What I meant was there will be plenty of early adopters. After that, it could go either way. Once the early adopter wave passes, will everyone else accept those prices?

I get what you mean though. I find the peripheral prices to be beyond outrageous. I was ready to buy two Pro Controllers for Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. until Nintendo announced it'd be $70. I probably won't buy one until there's a sale. I have Switch preordered on Amazon, but I wouldn't be upset if I wasn't guaranteed one on launch day. It also depends on when Apple announces new iMacs. If it's released around March, I may put Switch on hold. That's disappointing to me. While I like Switch and the upcoming games, the unveiling wasn't a homerun. If given the choice, I'd pick something else. I don't know if I'm explaining this well. Like I want one, but I don't want and I won't go out of my way. The price gouging is that much of a turn off for me because otherwise, I think everything else ranges from decent to genuinely great.

I hope the English voice acting is more subdued. Zelda crying in the trailer is exactly what I hate about a lot of Japanese voice acting in anime. It's just too much and comes off as melodramatic.

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