Author Topic: let the wild accusations begin (Read 20021 times)

S-U-P-E-R · « **on:** January 27, 2006, 08:04:50 AM »

From PA:

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Hey guys,

I interviewed for a guerilla marketing business in San Francisco that targeted web forums.

I was told that if I accepted the job, I was to have at LEAST 50 identities on as many forums as I could muster (they wanted 100 eventually), with a goal of 5 posts an hour. The posts had to be well thought out, and the idea was that I was to establish multiple identities with a history on the forums, so that when the timing was right a well written but subtly placed marketing post could be finessed in. And regular visitors would recognize the post as coming from a long time poster.

They had 12 people working there full time, and were hiring 10 more. You do the math. No wait, I'll do it for you: that's 880 posts a day (if minimum was met). However he said the better ones could do around 8 or 10 an hour. And they had different "verticals" so there was the sports guy, and the games guy, the hentai, excuse me I mean anime guy, etc.

But the most critical point was this: develop and integrate the identity. No random "HEY EB GAMES IS AWESOME BUY THIS" stuff.

Kinda spooky.

I'm actually a Ralston-Purina plant

JonLeung · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:10:21 AM »

Somehow I'm not surprised, but this confirmation makes it somehow creepier.

WHO CAN YOU TRUST?

That's okay, though, most of the time when I'm on forums I do it because I like to hear myself speak...I mean, see myself write...than to actually take someone else's opinions as gold.

vudu · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:13:36 AM »

Shoot ... I thought this was the new Mafia sign-up thread.

Um ... I point my finger at Pale because he can't be trusted.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:20:43 AM »

Well, I can assure you guys that I'm not a pawn planted here by some big marketing agency. You'll never hear me ask you to try new Coke Zero, even if it does retain Coke's famous taste without the added calories.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:23:16 AM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung

That's okay, though, most of the time when I'm on forums I do it because I like to hear myself speak...I mean, see myself write...than to actually take someone else's opinions as gold.

Random Thoughts
OMG I was right!!

MysticGohan · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:25:01 AM »

I'm good, since I was here before that marketing even existed

unless.... NINTENDO has sent me after a traitor amongst the forum

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:31:16 AM »

Didn't some hilarious plants get found out on a forum somewhere? If there's some comedy gold out there, I wanna be linked to it

Pryopizm · « **Reply #7 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:42:56 AM »

Why ask why? Try Bud Dry.

Pale · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:59:32 AM »

Guys, I heard that if you buy 5 of the new DS Lites and get them in the same room, they will spawn a 6th, even smaller DS!

I've already preordered my 5! You should too!

vudu · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2006, 09:08:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
Didn't some hilarious plants get found out on a forum somewhere? If there's some comedy gold out there, I wanna be linked to it

Are you referring to this?

King of Twitch · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2006, 09:13:14 AM »

What's next, conceiving children to use them for marketing objects.

Whores.

vudu · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2006, 10:14:35 AM »

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Originally posted by: MJRx9000
What's next, conceiving children to use them for marketing objects.

It's almost been done. Name your baby Turok, win $10,000

King of Twitch · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2006, 10:24:21 AM »

I forgot about that! What a cruel, sick world. I'd be ashamed of it if the other 8 weren't so uninhabitable.

JonLeung · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2006, 11:35:18 AM »

(There might be a tenth planet, actually. Multiple times farther out than Pluto. So that's another one that's uninhabitable.)

I recall a guy did change his name to "Turok" for a year, and a couple sold the rights to name their kid on eBay. I think the name became "Pepsi" or something.

Also, and I found this on Wikipedia the other day, this guy changed his name to "Optimus Prime" because the original Optimus Prime of the Transformers (G1) was like a father figure to him. Not quite marketing but it could be.

stevey · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2006, 11:43:17 AM »

1000 post get!

Now who want to get a cheep used car just go to stevey's used cars on the coner of route 1 & 2.

mantidor · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2006, 02:50:55 PM »

Not surprised, Ive actually spotted a few of these people.

This forum is a inmune to this thankfully, we are Nintendo fanboys so we dont need their advertisement most of the time, and if bill suddenly starts to hype killzone psp he will be spotted easily in less than a nano second.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2006, 02:57:00 PM »

Killzone PSP lol, why not just get Coded Arms, it's a very fun PSP first person shooter. You can pick it up at your local EB Games, although it may be hard to find because it is in very high demand, it's almost always sold out because everyone wants it. but if you can find it, it is a very good game and worth the price tag.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2006, 03:04:58 PM »

It's too late, Southjag already dropped and broke all of them......I mean, IT'S SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE! NINTENDO IS DOOMED!

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2006, 03:48:55 PM »

It's easy to check who it is. Just look for high post counts...

Or signatures that declare affection for specific game series that have imminent upcoming releases...

Or who stress the importance of loyalty, more specifically brand loyalty...

Or who have cute girls in their avatars to avert suspicion...

I'm not talking about anyone in particular.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #19 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:33:20 PM »

omg im suspect

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:45:26 PM »

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Coded Arms -- Hottest new PSP game? Yes!
Totally. Sold. Out.

Here's the lowdown. In my city, there are 2 EB Games, 3 GameStops, 1 GameXchange, 5 Blockbusters, 3 Movie Galleries, a Circuit City, 3 Walmart Supercenters, and a BestBuy.

Nobody has this effin' title. It sold out Day 1! Well, one good thing comes of the title being sold out -- it can be traded in and sold for cheaper! Fortunately, I finally found a pre-played copy of Coded Arms which had actually been traded in not long before I came in and bought it. So, I've had a few good hours with the game, single-player albeit, and here's what I have to say.

**** Lumines. This game takes the cake by far. The first FPS on the PSP, this game is absolutely incredible. Let me go ahead and state now that, even though I often enjoy them, I'm pretty bad when it comes to playing an FPS. Counterstrike, UT2004, Far Cry, etc. Well! Coded Arms, for a noob like me, absolutely rocks.

Its first, foremost, and greatest feature is the aim assist. It can be disabled and adjusted over 5 different levels of accuracy. It's really awesome -- when you get fairly close to your target with your cursor, it'll automatically target the enemy! It doesn't follow them if they move, but it does definitely help out just to get a fix on 'em.

Next, the controls. I was a little afraid of how the game would handle on the system, but I should've known better than to doubt the development team at Konami. Every button is used, including the analog stick, and everything works perfectly. Your action buttons are used for turning up, down, left, and right. The Directional buttons are as follows -- Up brings you to a Zoom p.o.v., Down reloads your current weapon, and Left and Right switch between the 5 weapons you have equipped. There are more than 5, but you can only carry 5. The L Shoulder button is used to Jump, and the R Shoulder button fires your current weapon. Lastly, the Analog Stick is used for moving. You can change directions while moving by using the analog stick and the action buttons in tandem, obviously.

The music's decent enough for an FPS. Mostly techno. Pretty basic stuff.

The graphics are pretty nice when compared alongside some of the other PSP games. Koanmi didn't falter here and they continue to produce A+ stuff for the PSP.

Like I said, forget Lumines. Trade it in and buy this if you can find it and I swear you won't be disappointed. Not only is this a great PSP game, it's a great FPS. It's a lot of fun, the interface is awesome, and the gameplay and controls are both very solid. Buy this game!

oohhboy · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:45:50 PM »

Nooooooooooooooo......

Ending Walker Tropic · « **Reply #22 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:59:45 PM »

I heard that Rick Powers is just a psedoneym. Also I cannot spell.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 27, 2006, 06:20:20 PM »

hey don't look at me, you can't blame everything on the black guy.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #24 on:** January 27, 2006, 06:38:14 PM »

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Originally posted by: vudu
Are you referring to this?

There was a big thing a few months ago where a couple of guys were hilariously exposed on a forum (and their IPs pointed back to the marketing/PR company lol)

animecyberrat · « **Reply #25 on:** January 27, 2006, 06:44:34 PM »

I actualy used to talk to that guy on a tansformers website he went to Iraq and the Congress wrote him aletter saying they were Honored to have the commander of the Autobots in their side, no joke, well ok it was a joke letter but it was real.

yeah a lot of people made fun of him for that but thoe of us who freqeunted the trasnformers forums didnt care cuz Optimus Prime is the shiznit, well except to megatron anyways.

After changing his name though he didnt come to the forums much so I didnt ge to knwo him.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #26 on:** January 27, 2006, 06:47:51 PM »

oh and yo got me I really work for Midway games and I come here to sway the Nintendo fanboys into buying Mortal Kombat games.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #27 on:** January 27, 2006, 07:03:21 PM »

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Black
Just got the demo yesterday from work, although it had been there for a few days. I have to say that judging from the demo, this game looks incredible.

Black is an FPS developed by the creators of the Burnout series -- Criterion Studios and published by EA -- with remarkable controls, surprisingly near next-gen graphics and excellent lighting and sound effects. I found myself playing the demo over and over again.

Anyway, the demo is incredible. This could definitely be a "Killzone-killer" of sorts if you had to call it anything. It looks better than Killzone and, in my opinion, plays better too. The reason I don't play console FPSs is because I'm a keyboard-and-mouse FPS player and I prefer it that way, but Black has an excellent control scheme that is very easy to use with a low learning curve. You'll be playing it in no time.

Try your earnest to find a demo of this game. It's well worth it, and you'll see it in stores February 28th.

lol. This one goes pretty well until he says it'll be better than Killzone. Considering even South Park 64 is better than Killzone.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2006, 12:30:44 AM »

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Originally posted by: animecyberrat
oh and yo got me I really work for Midway games and I come here to sway the Nintendo fanboys into buying Mortal Kombat games.

Even though you try to plead your innocence through admitting your guilt, you have been busted

!.

Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

edit

vudu · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2006, 03:38:03 AM »

$200. It's do not collect $200.

PaLaDiN cracks me up.

Arbok · « **Reply #30 on:** January 28, 2006, 05:18:35 AM »

Oh my god, it all makes perfect sense now!

http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=14599

...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #31 on:** January 28, 2006, 10:01:43 AM »

har har! BUSTED!

animecyberrat · « **Reply #32 on:** January 28, 2006, 05:17:01 PM »

ok fine so I was lying sue me I dont care ok yeah...

.... and remeber to invest heavily in Midway Games they are the best. and Buy Mortal Kombat for every system you own.

IceCold · « **Reply #33 on:** January 28, 2006, 08:22:35 PM »

http://planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=12848&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

ANd a staff member too.. for shame.

Honourable mention..

http://planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=18&threadid=14460

wandering · « **Reply #34 on:** January 29, 2006, 08:26:44 PM »

I'm shocked, shocked, to find that plants exist on the internet.

And I have to agree that, among everyone here, Brandogg seems the most suspicious.

On an unrelated note, I highly recommend that everyone go out and buy Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #35 on:** January 29, 2006, 08:38:48 PM »

I point my finger at Bill for blatantly promoting Nintendo products on a Nintendo forum.

IceCold · « **Reply #36 on:** January 29, 2006, 09:58:24 PM »

I love my job. I mean, who wouldn't like interviewing celebrities for a living? I really enjoy coming to work everyday; the environment here is wonderful. However, lately something has been troubling me. Whenever I interview someone, it seems like I just ask them a few questions, they plug their new project, and it's over just like that. It's so impersonal.. I feel like I never get to know them well enough, and they're just using me. So, I've decided that I'm going to go into the audience, and interview a perfectly normal person with a mundane life..

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #37 on:** January 30, 2006, 08:35:22 AM »

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I point my finger at Bill for blatantly promoting Nintendo products on a Nintendo forum.

VOTE HOSTILE

Pale · « **Reply #38 on:** January 30, 2006, 08:59:24 AM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I point my finger at Bill for blatantly promoting Nintendo products on a Nintendo forum.

VOTE HOSTILE

Wait what??? uhhh..

uhhh...

VOTE CHANGE!!! VUDU!

vudu · « **Reply #39 on:** January 30, 2006, 09:05:44 AM »

Listen everyone, I'm the cop. Pale's the mole. VOTE PALE

ThePerm · « **Reply #40 on:** January 30, 2006, 09:25:13 AM »

the rat has way more spelling and typos in a sentence then me!!!! Quote him!!!!!

vudu · « **Reply #41 on:** January 30, 2006, 09:33:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
the rat has way more spelling and typos in a sentence then me!!!! Quote him!!!!!

But his sentences tend to run-on for three or four lines, and none of them make a quick and easy sig.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #42 on:** January 30, 2006, 06:25:46 PM »

I am the rat and I am the sh!t

is that a good quote?

vudu · « **Reply #43 on:** January 31, 2006, 08:04:39 AM »

It wasn't bad, but it didn't rhyme. You are a bad rapper.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2006, 05:36:54 AM »

:SIREN: FORUM FURRY FOUND :SIREN:

WHO IS IT? STAY TUNED!

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 01, 2006, 07:35:53 AM »

Oooh ooooh is it me? *crosses fingers*

Mario · « **Reply #46 on:** February 11, 2006, 10:52:33 PM »

i suspect ruby onix

KDR_11k · « **Reply #47 on:** February 12, 2006, 03:47:06 AM »

I'm sure Ian is a plant, now I've got to find out what that guy actually LIKES....

ShyGuy · « **Reply #48 on:** February 12, 2006, 08:08:38 AM »

Ian likes Street Fighter and other SNES era fighters. He also likes non-spinoff Mario games. Plus 2d castlevania. He'll never come out and say this, but I've deduced this from his various posts.

IceCold · « **Reply #49 on:** February 12, 2006, 01:41:11 PM »

And Pikmin

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #50 on:** February 12, 2006, 01:43:52 PM »

Everyone on the PGC forums is the same person.

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 12, 2006, 02:14:24 PM »

But WHO?!

animecyberrat · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2006, 02:14:53 PM »

how dare you qeustion my abilities as a rapper, that wasnt even trying to rhyme fool.

So ok lets try this one

I am the RAT and ya'll are crap

I am the SH!& and ya'll r full of it

I came here to show you whats up

you came here just to F*** up

back up off me go play your ps3

cuz aint no way afool like you can ever match me

thats how its all ways gonna hafta be

cuz ya'll will always be runnin' afta me

you like Vanilla Ice and Ime like Ice T

Your too soft and fluffy like a bunny

your like a preteen whose nose is all runny

Imma shut yo down like our Blue screen

on your week ass outdated pc

I can shock you every day of the week

you just bore me till I fall asleep

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2006, 02:17:05 PM »

The terrorists have won.

IceCold · « **Reply #54 on:** February 12, 2006, 04:39:15 PM »

Buy Psychonauts Now! (Even if you only have a GameCube)

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 14, 2006, 05:46:37 PM »

Hey Rat try this one out, special just for Valentines Day (all misspells are intentional

)

" A Ghetto Love Poem"

Gurl I love you,
Straight up Fo'Sho.
Or I wouldna told dem ova girls
not to call me no mo.

I knewed it was true,
da first day I seent you.
Why you thank I do,
the thangs I do?

Ramemba ha I use ta wine and dine you,
Schlits Malt Liquor and Bar-Ba-Q.
I gave you a bubble baffs and fed you grapes.
Dey was on sale that week a dolla niney-eight.

Romanic eenins afta dark,
Skreet light walks around da park.
Like the very first time,
you came ova my crib.
And you got all scared,
cause that roach was on yo Timb.

I was right therre,
with a can o' spray.
To be yo Super Negro,
and save da day.

I ain't even pay my light bill,
so I can take you to da club.....
Don't knock ova does candles
and burn up my rug!

And dat nite we made luv,
for a long liddle bit of time.
I hope you got yours,
cause I Sho'nuff got mine.

I woke up early and made you breffix in bed.
Sep fo I ain't have no juice, no grits, and no eggs.
Didn't have no cereals and was fresh outta milk,
so we had some toast and some potada chips.

I use to rub lotion on yo feets,
and massage yo back.
I found you some glue,
when you lost one of yo tracks.

Now what man you knowded,
ever loved you like dis.
Gurl please just take my name
off dat child support list.

p.s. - dees aint my werds

animecyberrat · « **Reply #56 on:** May 29, 2008, 10:55:54 PM »

how did I miss this, I am so sorry BNM I never got around to reading this before today.

RABicle · « **Reply #57 on:** May 29, 2008, 11:59:29 PM »

I honestly reckon this **** is carried out with movies all the fucking time.
Seriously 300 anyone? The movie seemed to have hype on the interent coming from nowhere. And it was just a boring green screen action flick.
How about I Am Legend it's a bloody zombie movie starring Will Smith, Prince of Boring, yet internets were all over it.

And now I'm looking suspiciously at Brandogg, who even cares about Weezer anymore? Why the thread?

Plugabugz · « **Reply #58 on:** May 30, 2008, 03:14:03 AM »

Quote from: RABicle on May 29, 2008, 11:59:29 PM

I honestly reckon this **** is carried out with movies all the fucking time.
Seriously 300 anyone? The movie seemed to have hype on the interent coming from nowhere. And it was just a boring green screen action flick.
How about I Am Legend it's a bloody zombie movie starring Will Smith, Prince of Boring, yet internets were all over it.

And now I'm looking suspiciously at Brandogg, who even cares about Weezer anymore? Why the thread?

YOU TAKE THAT BACK. Would you rather have a film with Uwe Boll?

RABicle · « **Reply #59 on:** May 30, 2008, 11:43:04 AM »

What the **** is this? If I were to complain about McDonalds, you could come along "BE GRATEFUL YOU COULD BE EATING **** INSTEAD" That's some unfair comparison and I can whinge about the quality of mediocre things all I please.

Maverick · « **Reply #60 on:** May 30, 2008, 01:57:39 PM »

300 was awesome, you fail.

I Am Legend however, did not interest me in the slightest, so you un-fail.

You remain at "meh" status.

mantidor · « **Reply #61 on:** May 30, 2008, 03:27:07 PM »

300 was a terrible, terrible, terrible movie, but the internet hype was not planted, but normal and expected.

I gave in in the hype of boomblox, zack and wiki and okami, so if the games suck I will blame all of you, you damn plants!.

Maverick · « **Reply #62 on:** May 30, 2008, 03:30:28 PM »

What didn't you like so much about 300? I wasn't even all that excited about it before-hand (the main thing that got me interested was the NIN song used for the trailers, 'cause I'm a huge NIN fan), but I walked away VERY satisfied with the flick.

bustin98 · « **Reply #63 on:** May 30, 2008, 05:02:42 PM »

Damn it, this thread is nothing what I thought it was going to be.

300 rocks. Iron Man is awesome. Indiana Jones Crystal Skull sux it big time.

And NIN IS awesome, just for clarification. Also, downloaded the new Filter album last night. Not bad. No standout gems like previous efforts, but still standard fare that can be expected from Filter. How I wish Gravity Kills was still around.

Maverick · « **Reply #64 on:** May 30, 2008, 05:05:09 PM »

Quote from: bustin98 on May 30, 2008, 05:02:42 PM

Damn it, this thread is nothing what I thought it was going to be.

300 rocks. Iron Man is awesome. Indiana Jones Crystal Skull sux it big time.

And NIN IS awesome, just for clarification. Also, downloaded the new Filter album last night. Not bad. No standout gems like previous efforts, but still standard fare that can be expected from Filter. How I wish Gravity Kills was still around.

Agree with your opinions except for Indy. I thought it was quite good.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #65 on:** May 30, 2008, 05:07:08 PM »

I hated 300, loved Iron Man and am still waiting to see Indy.

Pryopizm · « **Reply #66 on:** June 01, 2008, 12:02:21 PM »

300 was goofy as all hell. Best version is the Rifftrax version. i.e.:

Faramir: We do what we were trained to do. What we were bred to do. What we were born to do.

MST3K gang: What we were cast, choreographed, and costumed to do. What we were bluescreened and digitized to do. What we were shaved to do.

Maverick · « **Reply #67 on:** June 01, 2008, 01:07:56 PM »

I would watch Rifftrax if it was in fact, MST3K. For some reason with out Crow or Tom I have no interest.

shammack · « **Reply #68 on:** June 01, 2008, 01:15:37 PM »

Have you checked out Cinematic Titanic? To me it feels a lot closer to the spirit of MST3K... still no robots, but there are at least silhouettes, and the jokes trend more toward silliness and obscure pop culture references and less toward just being really angry at the movie.

TMW · « **Reply #69 on:** June 01, 2008, 01:18:18 PM »

Quote from: Maverick on June 01, 2008, 01:07:56 PM

I would watch Rifftrax if it was in fact, MST3K. For some reason with out Crow or Tom I have no interest.

On most rifftrax now, both Bill Corbett (Crow) and Kevin Murphy (Tom) do the riffing along side Mike.

Maverick · « **Reply #70 on:** June 01, 2008, 01:53:30 PM »

No, see, I need the silhouettes of their robot characters. It's a deep-rooted psychological condition to require talking robot puppets to deliver commentary on shitty movies, I guess.

TMW · « **Reply #71 on:** June 01, 2008, 02:28:43 PM »

Quote from: Maverick on June 01, 2008, 01:53:30 PM

No, see, I need the silhouettes of their robot characters. It's a deep-rooted psychological condition to require talking robot puppets to deliver commentary on ****ty movies, I guess.

Your loss, then.

Because http://www.rifftrax.com is THE place for MST3K fans to go. Mike, Kevin, Bill, and a myriad of celebrities and old MST3K alumni appear and riff both movies and television shows. Old and new, good and bad, no movie or actor is safe.

Remember, at Rifftrax, they don't make movies, they make them funny!

Maverick · « **Reply #72 on:** June 01, 2008, 02:59:03 PM »

You thread re-railing skills are impressive. Most impressive.

Pryopizm · « **Reply #73 on:** June 02, 2008, 12:56:19 PM »

My only issue with Cinematic Titanic is that there seem to be too many riffers. Though all of them are awesome riffers.

decoyman · « **Reply #74 on:** June 02, 2008, 02:40:45 PM »

Quote from: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 10:55:54 PM

how did I miss this, I am so sorry BNM I never got around to reading this before today.

... you're the reasaon BnM's gone!

bustin98 · « **Reply #75 on:** June 02, 2008, 05:26:57 PM »

Quote from: decoyman on June 02, 2008, 02:40:45 PM

... you're the reasaon BnM's gone!

What? I missed this. BnM was a great member. Did we get to have a vote?

TMW · « **Reply #76 on:** June 03, 2008, 12:56:03 AM »

Man...if only *MY* long absences were lamented.

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