Topic: Mafia XIX: Hang 'Em High. Day 7.

[Khushrenada]

The story for today is the fact that I spent all my time to write the story, writing an essay on private messaging im my mafia games instead. You can see it in the dead thread. I have a backlog of stories to write. Not good. Maybe I should let someone else write a chapter or two. I'm looking forward to duel hosting the next game. Make things so much easier in that regard. I'm too long winded.  

[Khushrenada]

Heads Up.

As far as I can tell, this game is ready to march to its conclusion now. Therefore, voting today ends at 8:00 pm Eastern time.

What happened last night:

Zach (Bandit #2 and current godfather) - Voted out.
Shift Key (Saloon Girl Sally) - Killed by Black Heart Jack.
Stevey (Bandit #1) - Death by inactivity

There is no one who actually needs to vote today. But I think people will anyways. I'll wrap up the game when I get home.

[ShyGuy]

Slap Leather Nuclear Speed!!

[Spak-Spang]

Well, there is only one thing left to do.  Black Heart, you killed my Saloon Girl.  Sure, she was everyones Saloon Girl, and I couldn't touch her because frankly she was too expensive, but now you are going to die.

Vote Nuclear Speed

[bustin98]

VOTE nuclear speed

[Khushrenada]

And, no surprise, the game is over.

Nuclearspeed (Black Heart Jack) - Death by Vote

TOWNIES WIN

Winners:

Bustin98 - Townie
Crimm - Doctor John Baxter
ShyGuy - Townie
Spak-Spang - Sheriff Rock Williams


Feel free to post your thoughts about the game here. You're strategies, ideas and even surmise about the next game when it hits. Congratulations to the winners and a big thanks goes out to all who played.

[that Baby guy]

NuclearSpeed, you played a great game up until the point that you hit the mafia instead of a townie.  Everything was pretty perfect.  The trick was that you really wanted the mafia and townie numbers to be about even.

Also, I've got a question for Khush:  Could Saloon Girl Sally force someone to vote?  If a player didn't vote that day, could that role make it so a vote was counted for the non-voting player?  Just curious, really.

As far as the mafia goes, I'm disappointed that you weren't able to hit a single roled player.  That's not good.  I think you had lost the game when Decoyman died, really.  Sessha did pretty well, too.  Stevey shouldn't have given up, either.  I hate to say it, but overall, it was a pretty poor showing.

With the townies:  You shouldn't have killed Dasmos and you shouldn't have killed 18 Days.  I named 18 Days, and afterwards, I got hit by the Killer and the mafia.  They both obviously wanted it to look like 18 Days was guilty.  Of course, the one person I mention this to before I died was Sessha, so of course, he covered it up.  Atrun Zala should have trusted me, too.  It made me sad.  Crimm did pretty well with the doctor role.  I think we both agree that a townie dying is no real loss, and with a limit on saves, isn't worth the trouble.  This is the reason why I named someone I didn't think was mafia then, as well.  Also, Spak, you did better than you thought you did, too.  You kept the generic townies enough in the know to let you tell them what to do, but out of the way enough that if you were talking to mafia, you wouldn't be considered a roled player.  That's about the best that can be done, really.  It kept you alive and confused the mafia, and nothing is better than that, aside from getting an accidental PM.

[GoldenPhoenix]

My sacrifice made this win possible.

[Spak-Spang]

thatguy:  Was that a reference to my accidental PM I sent you.  Hehe.

[NuclearSpeed]

Thanks thatguy, when the bounty hunter went off and knocked out 2 extra people and made the numbers almost even I saw there was an actual possibility that I could win. The big mistake though was not trusting the mob day 5 and going after Sessha that night. If I would have followed the original plan for that day Sessha would have been there still and Sally would have been gone giving it an almost even number with me having to follow the godather passing and make sure not to go after the same target.

I feel as if I should get an honorary mention on the win, not sure what would have happened for the townies if Decoyman wasn't chosen on the hit for day 4.

[that Baby guy]

Of course it was.  Your only bad game I've been in so far.  Just don't forget it happened twice.  I take it that didn't happen this time, though.

[ShyGuy]

I seem to be on some sort of winning streak with these mafia games.

[that Baby guy]

Also, I now need a new avatar, any suggestions?

[ShyGuy]

Another character from the delightful Kelsey Grammer?

[Crimm]

My second Mafia win.  It's a pleasure to have helped my fellow Townies.  Hey kush, can you tell me if any of my healin' magic actually got used?  That is to say, did anyone I "protect" need it that day?

[that Baby guy]

Well, I can answer that.  Two people died every night except for nights where I was hit or a killing role died in the vote, so no, you didn't land any protections.  Thanks to you and Spak working together, they weren't necessary, though, so it doesn't matter.

[Shift Key]

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Also, I've got a question for Khush:  Could Saloon Girl Sally force someone to vote?  If a player didn't vote that day, could that role make it so a vote was counted for the non-voting player?  Just curious, really.

Nope. I asked this question and I could only change votes that were cast.

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: NuclearSpeed
I feel as if I should get an honorary mention on the win, not sure what would have happened for the townies if Decoyman wasn't chosen on the hit for day 4.

You waived your honorary mention when you killed a whore on the last day.

[bustin98]

I got to the end mainly to the kind gestures of decoyman and sessha. But luck too, I guess. I had no strategy. But I had fun and was looking forward to the end of the night each time to learn what had happened. I'm ready to do it again.

[Khushrenada]

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Originally posted by: Crimm
My second Mafia win.  It's a pleasure to have helped my fellow Townies.  Hey kush, can you tell me if any of my healin' magic actually got used?  That is to say, did anyone I "protect" need it that day?

Nope. The closest was when you protected Athrun. I was wondering if you were doing that in case Athrun hit a townie and hoped that would keep Athrun from dying. But, your power only prevents a person from being killed by a hit, not incorrect hits by a player.

Shift Key answered the Saloon Girl question.


The turning point in the game was when TVMan got voted out. Even though the townie alliance had a pretty good idea who was mafia by then, they didn't know who was who in the mafia or if they could trust the two townies they did have in the alliance fully just yet. If TVMan lived and made the hit he wanted, even with Nuclearspeed's Sessha hit, things would still have been close and up in the air. But with TVMan's death, the mafia lost a hit, and lost another member by the killer putting the townies in full control. Plus, with the original godfather dead, the investigator knew who the last two townies were and thus rendered the other mafia member's lies ineffectual. That was what ended the game.

And yet, there was still a way for the mafia to have come back and that would have been a hit on Crimm to get the doctor power since Crimm had actually kept two protections left for late in the game. That could have backfired but fortunately, the identites stayed hidden.

I find it interesting that in the end, the mafia died the following ways:

2- voted out
2- by killer
2 - by inactivity.

Strange.  

[nickmitch]

Well, Kagoshi was excusable. I don't know what happened to Stevey, though. Then the killer was getting advice from the townies (I think).

[Spak-Spang]

I only contacted the Killer once, and he didn't listen to my suggestion...he killed a townie.  

[Spak-Spang]

Yeah, it was frustrating only finding townies in your investigation because in the back of your head you keep on telling yourself the odds are you will find a Mafia member...and then you think maybe you have.  

I was very careful with my communications not to reveal Crimm or Shift Key, but I just didn't know.  Once TVMan died it was over.  But you know things would have been really interesting if we had joined the other Townie Alliance.

Athun Zala would have hit TVman if I remember correctly, killing the godfather.  Freeing me up to believe everyone I researched, and keeping him alive.  I already had suspicion of Decoyman, but not Seesha at all...so things would have gone vastly differently.  Dark Heart would still have been killed though...I didn't trust him at all.

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I already had suspicion of Decoyman, but not Seesha at all...so things would have gone vastly differently.  Dark Heart would still have been killed though...I didn't trust him at all.

Decoyman openly threatening me (and then backpedalling and then throwing a few PMs back and forth) meant he slipped under my radar early on - he was part of the other alliance at the time and I knew there were moles within that group thanks to Athrun - but if I didn't have Spak for investigations I probably would have kept talking to him.

[decoyman]

Hmm... so did you investigate me, Spak?

And when you told me you were the investigator on the night I was taken out, I wondered if you were telling me that so I could potentially send a hit at you when the doctor was actually protecting you... I guess, based on Khush's comments about Athrun, that it wasn't the case. Regardless, it helped save you that night.

It's interesting that we seemed to have the same problems. You kept trying to identify mafia members, and we kept trying to hit players w/ pro-townie roles. The only thing is, we both kept getting townies. This worked out better in your favor, as in the end there were so few townies, meaning it was harder for us to hide, while allowing you a full roster of combined powers.  

[Spak-Spang]

Decoyman:  Actually that was the case...originally.  I did that alot to different people.  I tried to be a dick to lure hits on me but it never worked.

But then Athrun was afraid he would get hit because he was revealed to be the Bounty Hunter and there were moles in other alliance.  I was so positive that dark heart was Mafia that I wanted to protect Athrun so we would have him for another hit...so I too the protection off me.

Also at that time, I believed we had a good understanding of who was who, and if I died it would not have been a big lose, but if Athun, Shift Key, or Crimm died it would be a big lose.

I had not yet investigated you...I just had a hunch based on not trusting dark heart.  He said you were definitely a townie and since I didn't trust him I didn't trust you.  You were next in line to be investigated, though.

It is interesting, I truly believe if I trusted dark heart then the townies may have lost.  

[Zach]

One thing, I wanna apologize to 18 days for helping him get voted off.  I know you get voted off early in a lot of games, but I needed a good target and thatguy provided.

Also I wonder, from the master khush, you gave me the idea of trying to switch the vote to Stevey, I tried, but I really dont see how they would switched at that point when they already knew I was mafia and that I was already lying.  Any way I could have done it better.  Also, why did it take you so long to tell me I was GF.

[Zach]

ha, now that this is over I got a new avatar. whaddya think?

[Athrun Zala]

All I can say is that Day 4 was awesome, specially on how PMs and distrust flew everywhere..... ahhh, just like mafia should be

[Khushrenada]

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Originally posted by: Zach
One thing, I wanna apologize to 18 days for helping him get voted off.  I know you get voted off early in a lot of games, but I needed a good target and thatguy provided.

Also I wonder, from the master khush, you gave me the idea of trying to switch the vote to Stevey, I tried, but I really dont see how they would switched at that point when they already knew I was mafia and that I was already lying.  Any way I could have done it better.  Also, why did it take you so long to tell me I was GF.

Well, I always hate to give away ideas that I haven't used yet and may want to use. Becuase then, people know about them or may remember about them and then I can't fool them. The best idea I can think of, I'm going to keep to myself, I think. And instead, I am just going to say that for the most part, you were screwed. You didn't realize that you were the godfather until too late and that was my fault. It was late and I was in a rush to get to bed. I realized the next day that I had forgotten to send you a pm stating you had become the third godfather in one day. But by then, I was at work and I don't have access to a computer. As soon as I got home, I sent you the message but it was too late. So, that lack of info affected the way you behaved.

If you had known you were the godfather sooner, would that have changed the way you would have played that day? Answer that question first and then I'll tell you the rest of my ideas.

[Zach]

aw man, Well if I had known I may have been less hesitant to reveal that I was mafia, but I cant really think of anything I could've done to save myself at that point anyway.  No blame or anything, I was just wondering what happened.  As for your secrets, I may end up being teamed up with you again, but even if not it is more entertaining if I don't know whats coming from you.  Dont give them up if you dont want.

[Khushrenada]

Well, less hesitant isn't the reaction, I was wondering about. If you had known earlier you were the godfather, I would have targetted stevey right away with my vote. The only way the mafia had a chance of winning at that point was for you and the killer to make townie hits, while stevey died. One of those hits had to be the doctor to gain protection power. From there, you protect the killer from the vote and vote for him. You have to hope that the townies will go along with it although, there was a good chance of that since the killer disobeyed them and hit a townie. Nuclearspeed said something about being warned not to go after a townie. Due to the protection, the killer lives and you both put ou a hit on two other townies. This brings you to the last day. A 3 way standoff between a townie, a mafia member and a killer. Anyone's game.

Another method that may have helped would have been to talk to stevey to get some support from him. Have stevey just try and go nuts while you reamina humble and resigned. This might encourage people to switch their votes and whack someone gone wacko. You could also have stevey send a message to someone saying they were hitting them in the night if they don't vote out the killer instead. Make it seem like you are more interested in the killer to get him back since you feel the game is lost. And that might also play into the next day where you would have voted for the killer. In fact, if you had deduced who the doctor was, having stevey send a message saying he was going to hit the doctor may have scared the townies enough to vote for stevey instead. Raise his threat level.

Of course, those plans required stevey's involvement and I don't know if he would have been around to play them out or not. I will say this. Never vote for yourself. If there was any doubt about a person, voting for yourself removes doubt that everything you have accused a person of is correct.

I'm not trying to think if there is anything else I could have done at that point. Nothing really springs to mind now. I guess I would also try to spread any last misinformation I could have to make it seem like stevey was a bigger threat.

[Khushrenada]

I should also add, if it was me, no one would probably have changed their vote because in a vote where the last two mafia members are me and stevey, I'd most likely still be seen as the bigger threat even if I wasn't the godfather.

[NuclearSpeed]

Well if I wanted a chance at the win I had to go against the townies warning about hitting another townie. I even contacted zach his last day telling him who i was targeting that night so there could be two townie deaths if the godfather lived, if he would have gotten back to me that it was he, i would have tried to get the vote switched to stevey as well. this game has given me some ideas too to try for future games.

[Zach]

hmm, well I meant to say more hesitant. And I was also away for most of the day so the first time I got on Everyone had already made they're intentions well known.

Also Thats kinda weird that nuke tried to contact me, I never received a pm from him. edit: there it is, I do remember reading it now, but it wouldnt have done any good since we couldnt make a hit anyway.
 

[Spak-Spang]

Nuclear Speed I knew I shouldn't of trusted you.

Although we had it figured out that we would be safe if we just could get one hit on the Mafia and we could survive.